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Dec 18^th, 2009 at 4:45pm

xerxes Offline
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I have been flying on MSFS for years. I have always used just the keyboard and have got quite good at it. However, I have never been able to maintain straight and level flight in jets, especially the airliners. I always use autopilot on instrument approaches until after crossing the outer marker, then begin a sloppy descent to the runway manually.

I was wondering if anyone has any comments about maintaining altitude without using the autopilot. Am I applying power incorrectly? Turning and maintaining altitude, airspeed and all seems impossible in FS. Is it easier using flight controls ie rudder pedals and joysticks?

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Reply #1 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:09pm

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Definitely get at least a joystick. I wouldn't fly FS without one.

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Reply #2 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:29pm

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Although not as good as yoke and pedals a Joystick is good enough.

With a twist for the rudder even a chepo one is far better than the keyboard. Cool

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You can move the stick quickly giving rapid control responces on landing which tbh I find nigh on i,possible on the keyboad due to the slowness and lag.

You can set the keyboard resonse to be quicker but then you can't give it long slow movements and make gentle turns so easily.

Get a joystick..you won't regret it

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Reply #3 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:57pm

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garryrussell wrote on Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:29pm:

Get a joystick..you won't regret it

Absolutely - you'll find very few keyboards in use on airliners (opportunity for a smartass remark here) so, depending on your preferences - airliners or more maneuverable - get a stick or a yoke and, if your wallet's full, look at some rudder pedals too.

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Reply #4 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 8:14pm

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olderndirt wrote on Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:

Absolutely - you'll find very few keyboards in use on airliners

...Speak fer yer self.

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Reply #5 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 8:25pm

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Jeff.Guo wrote on Dec 18^th, 2009 at 8:14pm:

olderndirt wrote on Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:

Absolutely - you'll find very few keyboards in use on airliners

...Speak fer yer self.
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Yeah, but you cut out the joysticks in that picture. Still don't fly with the keyboard.

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Reply #6 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 9:06pm

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olderndirt wrote on Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:

garryrussell wrote on Dec 18^th, 2009 at 6:29pm:

Get a joystick..you won't regret it

Absolutely - you'll find very few keyboards in use on airliners (opportunity for a smartass remark here)[ OK you asked for it ] so, depending on your preferences - airliners or more maneuverable - get a stick or a yoke and, if your wallet's full, look at some rudder pedals too.

You could ask those pilots, who were playing with themseleves, ah I mean playing with there keyboards, that over shot Minnasota by 150 miles,,,,,,,,, Grin

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Anyway YES a joystick is the way to go at the least!

But as a simpilot, I find using autopilot helps to get the heavys lined up nice about 5 miles out, than if conditions are going good i'll take control just before I'm over the thrushole.

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Reply #7 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 9:31pm

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Grin

LOL!

Guess I should get some flight controls!

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Reply #8 - Dec 18^th, 2009 at 9:50pm

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Save up your money and get some peddles it makes flying so much more realistic. Especially in cross wind landings the auto rudder just does not cut it. Cool

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Reply #9 - Dec 19^th, 2009 at 12:39am

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I had a hunch there'd be a smartass remark

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Reply #10 - Dec 19^th, 2009 at 6:32am

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I've got a joystick & never have crosswinds......... Cheesy

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Reply #11 - Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 9:56am

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I was more concerned about longitudinal stability rather than directional.

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Reply #12 - Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 10:10am

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xerxes wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 9:56am:

I was more concerned about longitudinal stability rather than directional.

Definitely time to get a ~~Stick of Joy~~ Joystick with Twist control and Throttle...including a few buttons... Wink

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Rudder ~~Pedels~~ PEDALS can come later... Wink

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Reply #13 - Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 1:49pm

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Fozzer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 10:10am:

xerxes wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 9:56am:

I was more concerned about longitudinal stability rather than directional.

Definitely time to get a ~~Stick of Joy~~ Joystick with Twist control and Throttle...including a few buttons... Wink

Wink

...!

..that's when the Sim suddenly comes to life!.... Smiley

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Rudder ~~Pedels~~ PEDALS can come later... Wink

Wink

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Paul....G-BPLF...FS 2004...Bicycle Pedals are bad for you... Wink

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Yeah Fozzer, I'll look into that for xmas. Thanks everyone.

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Reply #14 - Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 1:55pm

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Also, I was wondering about power settings on approach. Is a jet the same as a prop, that is, set the power for descent and leave it and control airspeed with pitch? I think I heard way back that with jets it's the opposite, power to airspeed and pitch to rate-of-descent. Any real world jet pilots out there?

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Reply #15 - Dec 22^nd, 2009 at 9:40pm

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Power controls rate of descent, pitch controls airspeed. It's not a science so a little of each is needed for the other under some circumstances.

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Reply #16 - Dec 23^rd, 2009 at 6:48pm

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For a stick I suggest the Logitech Pro 3D Extreme or 3D Pro Extreme-- or whatever it's called. Best Buy has 'em for about sixty bucks. The hat switch on top makes panning around your VC really nice. USB connectivity. Twelve buttons for assigning tasks...

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