Simviation Forum - How would this build do?

Reply #15 - Nov 29^th, 2009 at 4:35am

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Mazza wrote on Nov 29^th, 2009 at 4:31am:

I have PCI-E 2.0 Paul Tongue

Also 750W OF UNSTOPPABLE POWER MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ........

...show-off!.... Angry

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Reply #16 - Nov 29^th, 2009 at 9:39am

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DazzleStar,

1. Get an Nvidia 9800GT. The 9800GT is 4 times as fast for about the same $$$. Some models need a single 6pin PCI-E connector, some don't. Factor this into your PSU.

2. Make sure to overclock everything. Or, at least, plan for it in the future.

3. DDR2 is not always cheaper. I honestly don't know what's better.

4. Get a higher clocked dual core for FS2004. Quad Core for FSX.

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The only thing im thinking now is to get or a 8800 gt or the 8800 gtx ($ is also short), and get a unicore 3.6 ghz (since fs9 dont use the dual), i guess i will have better results than the dual at 2.8 ghz.

757200ba,

1. Look at 9800GT. Rebranded 8800GT but easier to find. Some models need a single 6pin PCI-E connector, some don't. Factor this into your PSU. The 9800GT cards that do not have a PCI-E connector usually have lower clockspeeds and thus are slightly slower than 8800GT.

2. Get a Core 2 Duo for FS9. They're cheap, and EACH core will be MUCH faster than any single-core anyway. In other words, a Core 2 Duo will fare MUCH better in fs9 over any 3.6ghz singlecore.

Clock speed is only relevant when comparing the same type of processor.

Pentium 4 is ARCHAIC. Avoid them. A 1.86ghz first generation Core 2 duo with half the cache disabled was faster than a 3.6ghz Pentium-D (dual core). The Core 2 duo did this while consuming HALF the power and having more features.

We now have 3.0ghz Core 2 duo with 3 times the cache of that earlier model, higher bus speeds, AND architectural improvements. The model of this processor is E8400, it will work on your motherboard but requires DDR2-667 or faster due to the below. It is also very cheap.

Either way grab a 45nm based Core 2 duo.

3. if you have DDR2-400 get a 800mhz FSB processor, if you have DDR2-533 get a 1066mhz FSB processor, if you have DDR2-667 get a 1333mhz processor.

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Reply #17 - Nov 29^th, 2009 at 10:41am

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....^^^^^^....

Remember.... Wink

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He's 15 years old, still at School....

...and doesn't have any money!... Wink

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I tend to start from there!... Grin

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Reply #18 - Nov 29^th, 2009 at 10:44am

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9800GT should not be much more than £60.

I converted that from USD to Pounds. But then again you might have taxes etc..

I googled and found it in a store for 70 pound.

That was green version, 550mhz clock.

And when you factor in the total cost of the computer, getting 3x the performance in games for 15 pound more or 5% more for the total computer is pretty good I would say.

I'm 17, no money also, but basically try to get enough money till I can buy something decent or I simply don't bother at all.

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Reply #19 - Nov 29^th, 2009 at 12:43pm

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Well once again i get to the conclusion that there are lots of OBI ONES to help.
Thank you for the posts (Fozzer and NN), i will try to get the 9800gt, my PSU is a 400w one so i really need to get at least a 600mhz.
Many thanks OBI ONES, MAY THE FORCE BE WITh YOU...........................ALWAYS

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Reply #20 - Nov 29^th, 2009 at 2:38pm

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I had a bit of a revision after reading this and around, and came up with something a little more like this: http://www.lambda-tek.com/computing/pcdesigner.pl?cart=%0ACPU%09B246260%091%0AMO.... Its a bit more expensive, but I'm sure that if I shopped around I could find things cheaper. What do you think? Thanks.

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Dell Dimension 2400
2.66GHz Pentium 4
NVIDIA GeForce 6200 256mb
1gb DDR memory
80gb Seagate hard drive

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Reply #21 - Nov 29^th, 2009 at 9:25pm

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For the 9800GT, remember that you will need a PSU above 400 watts minimum.

Phoenix Coyotes fan in Michigan. Yeeeaah booii.

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Reply #22 - Nov 30^th, 2009 at 4:54am

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The Snake 87 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2009 at 9:25pm:

For the 9800GT, remember that you will need a PSU above 400 watts minimum.

Definitely...

The more you load up your System with the latest goodies, the larger your Power Supply needs to be for stability and reliability....

...and they don't come cheap, for good quality!... Cry

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My 700 Watt Storm PSU cost me well over £100.... Shocked

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...and that's just for my "average" System!

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Reply #23 - Nov 30^th, 2009 at 1:36pm

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I have to say PSU is the thing I am worried about. I'm planning to have eventually 2 hard drives, 2 optical drives, 5 fans, and quite a highly overclocked system, so I'm really not sure what to get and how much to spend. Maybe a really barebones system of higher quality is what I should be going for.

My specs:
Dell Dimension 2400
2.66GHz Pentium 4
NVIDIA GeForce 6200 256mb
1gb DDR memory
80gb Seagate hard drive

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Reply #24 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 10:34pm

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Well i agree with the psu.
News!! I just got a 8800 gt oc2 512.I guess it will improve my contraption.My dedicated machine just has 2 HD, the video card a zalman 9700and 1 12'fan. I guess the 400w it will hold for now?
Many Thanks

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Reply #25 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 4:46am

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1. Remember that different components in a computer run a different voltages. Most modern computers (and power supplies) run mostly at 12 volts. Therefore the most important specification is the +12v power (or current) rating not the combined power (aka wattage). For example, if you had a power supply that was 100000 watt but only outputted that at 3.3 volts, then you are doomed because a modern PC runs mostly at 12 volts.

2. It also depends on the power supply manufacturer. Different power supplies are rated in different conditions. For example, some manufacturers use peak output as their wattage rating, rather than continuous. Thermaltake, for example, rate their power supplies at peak rating, which is the peak it can deliver - if you ran it at that rating continuously it would overheat. Different power supplies are also rated at different temperatures, some at an unrealistic 20 degrees, others at 40 or even 50 degrees. We have a brand in Australia known as SHAW. They go up in smoke (literally) when pushed to about 50% of the rated "power".

3. Power supplies also vary in power distribution, efficiency, power quality, build quality, safety features, modularness and noise.

Point is, don't buy generic crap. A 650 watt SHAW will probably catch on fire and take out your system. While a 450 watt CORSAIR might be able to power both of your systems at once.

If you only give me wattage then OK, 400 watt is probably enough. However, I cannot guarantee if it will work.

Here are the only brands I would ever spend my money on:
Seasonic
Corsair
PC POWER & COOLING
Antec (SOME units - read reviews)
Coolermaster (SOME units - read reviews)
Thermaltake (SOME units - read reviews)
OCZ (SOME units - read reviews
Silverstone

Get one with a SINGLE fan, preferably 120mm.

If you want a cheap power supply that's also decent look into the above and also the Coolermaster eXtreme Power Plus 460W (WITH 120mm fan, some are 80mm and apparently sound like jet engines).

Never heard of "TRUST" before, and it has two fans instead of one. Unless you can find a (positive review) on a (well-known) hardware website, then I'm going to have to say that it's generic crap. Go for the OCZ Fatality 550 watt for like 2$ more.

As an example, the higher end Seasonic units are rated continuous at 50 degrees, are extremely efficient, are extremely quiet (silent at some loads), supply very high quality power (for stability), and are modular. They don't slap these high price tags on for nothing.

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Reply #26 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 12:12pm

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Hi NNNG, i got this one. Tigerdirect.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/power_management/ocz_z_series_550w

I guess it will be ok.What you think of the 8800 gt oc2?
I read several reviews, and its a good card. At least better than the ATI 4350 1gb i have now, i just hope i see a good increase on performance.
Many thanks

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Reply #27 - Dec 4^th, 2009 at 5:59am

NNNG Ex Member

That PSU is good.

And that card should be good also.

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