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Nov 21st, 2009 at 12:00pm

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A big thank you to Nick for all his hard work with  GEX   Europe!
Amazing!


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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2009 at 1:25pm

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Came out to look exactly was advertised... with amazing quality!

Dave, have you been able to tell any difference in the performance in areas with many trees? GEX Europe is supposed to have a partial fix for that issue. Please let us know.

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Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2009 at 1:50pm

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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2009 at 4:00pm

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Great quality stuff there Nick.  Shocked Wink
 

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Reply #4 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 12:18pm

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Wow,Nick! That scenery doesnt look like an autogen. Very good work! What countries does it cover? I'm so tired of searching sceneries that cover Eastern Europe,Baltic States and Scandinavia Cry
 

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Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 1:25pm

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Interesting!
While I admit it looks a lot better than default, I must say it doesn't look as good as FTX Australia.
I think I'll stay down under for now...
 

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Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 7:41pm

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Of course not..   its not Australia, its Europe


v1.01 is released!  Check the interface UPDATES button..

700MB patch
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 1:30am

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Sorry Nick, but I live in Europe, and it doesn't look like what I see in the pics at all....
I've been in Australia a lot too, and that does look like FTX,
hence my reservations...
 

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Reply #8 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:15am

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jankees wrote on Nov 26th, 2009 at 1:30am:
Sorry Nick, but I live in Europe, and it doesn't look like what I see in the pics at all....
I've been in Australia a lot too, and that does look like FTX,
hence my reservations...



If you do not really own the product you do not know what it "looks like"

Coming into threads like this and making compares of products that do 2 different things with scenery when you have stated you do not own one of the products and will "pass" on it.. even with a 30day "no questions asked" money back guarantee, is similar to fanboy thread crapping


hence. my statement
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Reply #9 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:14am

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Ah Nick, no matter how good something is, there's always someone with negative comments, "just for the sake of" and not necessarily "positive feedback" but just to be critical.  Your "stuff" is great and your reputation is beyond reproach.....
Great stuff
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Reply #10 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:22am

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No worries Ed...   

It’s not about criticism.

I very much appreciate and listen to that, and make changes based on that feedback which is what we did with patch 1.01 and will continue to do so..

It’s about something else that is all too common on the net.

When someone goes into common thread subjects at more than one forum and makes the same “compare product” statement over and over, http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showpost.php?p=296207&postcount=59 they are not stating an opinion or offering a helpful critique.
 
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Reply #11 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:05pm

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oh boy, I am doing something else.
There are three forums I regularly place contributions, and this is one of them, and indeed, you found one of the others. Over and over indeed...
On both, I see announcements for the product, and I give my opinion on the product, same as everybody else. Mine is different though...
I am a geologist, and make part of my money by looking at the countryside. Within FS, I thus like my scenery to be as real as possible. In this, I may be a bit more critical than others, but that's the way it is. I'd love the whole world in hi-res photoreal, but that just can't be done. Enter GEX and similar products.

In both threads, lots of people tell how good it looks, and even I say it looks better than default.
It just doesn't look convincing to me, too much like a computer simulation. For instance, there are too many fir trees, in general, the houses seem to big and too randomly placed, I do not like the colours, the textures in the screenshots are too grainy, and there are a few more things like that, in short, I am not convinced.
I know there is a 30day money back guarantee, but I still have not seen a convincing screenshot, so I see no need (yet) to try the 30 days. I'll keep following it though.

"fanboy thread crapping" seems a bit harsh for an honest opinion. I have had quite a bit of criticism on some of my paintwork, some nonsensical, some justified. The last has helped me to improve, the first has always been ignored. But you always wonder WHY they don't like it, and that leads to improvement too. Maybe I should have told more about what it is exactly that I don't like, sorry, I didn't.

But no worries Nick, I'll stay out of your hair, and wish you every bit of (well deserved) succes with it.
Should you want a more detailed version of my criticism, please send me a pm, OK?
 

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Reply #12 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:13pm

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In each statement you compare GEX Europe to FTX, a product that alters the sim with photscenery based cities, landclass, models, custom autogen descriptions, alters core FSX files, costs 3 times (or more) as much as GEX for the same sq-mi coverage area and does things GEX does not do because GEX is simply a "Full Coverage" texture/autogen replacement package

What I dont appreciate is that compare.. and yes at the other forum there are FTX people hidden behind false usernames "Hotdog" playing games too. (they were verified behind the scenes but I wont say who that is) they must be worried about something if they think they have to go to those childish extremes.

I can appreciate and understand direct comments and critiques of what is seen, both in screenshots that users may not take good ones, or, people who use the product..   either way, .. what I do not appreciate is the behind the scenes games played by people who tend to favor one product or another and their statements clearly reflect that in just about every comment they make instead of focusing on the product presented and offering helpful critiques.




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Reply #13 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 1:46pm

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NickN wrote on Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:13pm:
In each statement you compare GEX Europe to FTX, a product that alters the sim with photscenery based cities, landclass, models, custom autogen descriptions, alters core FSX files, costs 2 times (or more) as much as GEX for the same sq-mi coverage area and does things GEX does not do because GEX is simply a "Full Coverage" texture/autogen replacement package. What I dont appreciate is that compare..


Nick, I paint aircraft, I know nothing about making ground textures. I do buy ground scenery now and then, for my enjoyment, to enhance the reality of the sim. I know GEX is not photoreal, so I don't compare it to say FranceVFR, or mazzokan's stuff. FTX is, to me anyway, a replacement of the default ground textures with their own, and I thought GEX was too, so I compared those two. Was that so wrong?

NickN wrote on Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:13pm:
and yes at the other forum there are FTX people hidden behind false usernames "Hotdog" playing games too. (they were verified behind the scenes but I wont say who that is) they must be worried about something if they think they have to go to those childish extremes.

I can appreciate and understand direct comments and critiques of what is seen, both in screenshots that users may not take good ones, or, people who use the product..   either way, .. what I do not appreciate is the behind the scenes games played by people who tend to favor one product or another and their statements clearly reflect that in just about every comment they make instead of focusing on the product presented and offering helpful critiques.



I have been posting repaints all over the internet, always under my own name. You can find my e-mail with all my paints too, and my picture is on the outhouse. So you can't accuse me of hiding behind different names or playing games, I resent that accusation. This was my honest opinion, expressed on two forums where people know me, and where I have been posting for years. I do not favor any company. I paint what I like, and I buy what I like, and so far, nobody has ever paid me anything for any of my repaints. I have been offered models with the request to do a few paintjobs, but only do them if I like the model. If somebody brings out an (in my view) ugly Mosquito or Mustang, I say so. If somebody brings out a hugely overpriced (but good looking) Mustang, I say so too. If somebody has the roundels inverted of their new aircraft...you get the idea.
It is probably better not to, but I just can't keep my mouth shut....
Ok, I'll try again.

 

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Reply #14 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 6:24pm

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jankees wrote on Nov 26th, 2009 at 1:46pm:
So you can't accuse me of hiding behind different names or playing games, I resent that accusation.




I did not accuse YOU of anything..  I was making a point of how some people close to FTX pull that slick behind a false username crap in GEX and even other scenery product threads and have for years..  I know who 'Hotdog' and a few others are and what they do. I know their alternate usernames at AVS*M and other forums too.


not you personally



Getting back to the point in this thread, its your statements which repeat the same compare over and over again and are a completely unfair comparison of 2 products that do something completely different and one costs 3 times more than the other for the same area coverage. On top of that, this is Europe, not Aussie land and comparing based on "it looks like Australia" is a JOKE when you have never flown the GEX product before. 


You are a aircraft painter? a texture artist?  right?  and you cant put your finger on whats 'wrong' or offer artistic suggestions but in the same breath you are enough of an artisitc expert to let everyone know over and over again FTX is better 'everywhere' it covers
without ever flying the GEX Europe product?


I dont care where you live!

I am not going to get into a pissing match over this but I am really fed up with the constant FTX fanboy thread crapping. If you have a comment about the images posted regardless of those comments being good or bad, and/or optionally perhaps something constructive to suggest, please post it and I will be more than happy to discuss it or take it into consideration...  But here is my opinion: leave the repeated FTX advertisements out of it.


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Reply #15 - Nov 26th, 2009 at 6:26pm

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unknown wrote on Nov 23rd, 2009 at 12:18pm:
Wow,Nick! That scenery doesnt look like an autogen. Very good work! What countries does it cover? I'm so tired of searching sceneries that cover Eastern Europe,Baltic States and Scandinavia Cry



From the Arctic circle (a little above) to southern Greece and Spain and with SceneryTech Landclass, parts of Russia



It also replaces trees and a lot of mountain terrian in North America too.



 
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Reply #16 - Nov 28th, 2009 at 12:51pm

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Amazing work, I even like your new PR blue paintjob Dave Wink
 

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