Search the archive:
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
 
   
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
circuits (Read 765 times)
Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:52pm

peter-reebok   Offline
Colonel
Fly FS
Australia

Gender: male
Posts: 22
*****
 
I might be really dumb here, so will risk my pride to ask a question.

Circuits.
I assumed (dangerous I know) that a circuit was a rectangular track, usually in a left hand formation, that was performed at about 1000 ft, to ingrain the practice of turns, maintaining altitude, and lining up with markers so as to align with a runway in one leg.
I am now thinking that a circuit starts at the departure runway, and finishes with a landing on the same runway, after proscribing the aformentioned rectangular circuit of the airfield.
anyone care to enlighten this noob?
Again, apologise for the dumb question that it seems everyone else will know the answe tor, but I cant seem to find a reference to which (if either) theory is correct.

If I am gunna be practising something, would prefer to do it correctly, rather than just proceed aimlessly.
Cheesy
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2009 at 11:23pm
SeanTK   Ex Member

 
This is a typical circuit. Touch & goes are usually accomplished over the runway portion, although you can also do a full stop landing and taxi back to the end to depart and go around again. They are usually flown around 1000 feet AGL, although some airports may have specialized policies. Circuits can either be left turns (like this one), or right turns, depending on the specific airport's regulations and/or ATC desires.
A circuit doesn't form a rectangle around the field, rather one edge of the rectangle is the runway. It indeed can be used to practice turns and maintaining altitude, with the main focus being on demonstrating reciprocal headings, situational awareness, and general thinking ahead of the aircraft, along with landing practice.
...
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2009 at 11:40pm

peter-reebok   Offline
Colonel
Fly FS
Australia

Gender: male
Posts: 22
*****
 
exactly the answer I needed - not war and peace - but enough meat to answer what I asked.

Thankyou.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2009 at 2:02pm

beaky   Offline
Global Moderator
Uhhhh.... yup!
Newark, NJ USA

Gender: male
Posts: 14187
*****
 
Another pointer: generally speaking, with light aircraft in particular, this pattern should be flown so that on the downwind leg, you are about 1/2 mile from the runway horizontally, and your base leg should be about a mile from the end of the runway (or whatever your desired touchdown point is). It's not a rule really, more just a good formula for most smaller, slower airplanes.
The idea is that once you are that low (pattern altitude), you want to be able to  glide to the runway if the engine quits.  If your downwind is 3 miles away from the runway, that won't be possible. Half a mile works pretty well in most cases. 

Now, if you are entering downwind at a 45-degree angle, you should be at pattern altitude farther out, to avoid descending on top of someone else doing the same thing... this makes you a bit vulnerable if the engine quits, so it is best to start this entry- or any other kind of entry- no more than 3 miles out. At this point you'll be flying a little faster than in the pattern, so you won't be in that vulnerable position very long.

With faster and larger ships, flying a higher 1500-ft. AGL pattern, the distances are usually doubled, for the same reason.
 

...
IP Logged
 
Reply #4 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 1:38pm

C   Offline
Colonel
Earth

Posts: 13144
*****
 
beaky wrote on Nov 20th, 2009 at 2:02pm:
With faster and larger ships, flying a higher 1500-ft. AGL pattern, the distances are usually doubled, for the same reason.


And the big stuff, 2 to 3 miles or more!
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 5:41pm

olderndirt   Offline
Colonel
Flying is PFM
Rochester, WA

Gender: male
Posts: 3574
*****
 
Quote:
This is a typical circuit. Touch & goes are usually accomplished over the runway portion
Maybe it's just me but I sense a little 'tongue in cheek' here.  Nice traffic pattern graphic.
 

... 

                            
THIS IS NOT A PANAM CLIPPER

                                                            
IP Logged
 
Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 10:35pm

Sir Puma   Offline
Colonel
N8349L
KPWT

Gender: male
Posts: 183
*****
 
olderndirt wrote on Nov 23rd, 2009 at 5:41pm:
Quote:
This is a typical circuit. Touch & goes are usually accomplished over the runway portion
Maybe it's just me but I sense a little 'tongue in cheek' here.  Nice traffic pattern graphic.


I think what he meant was that people doing T&G usually touch down near the center of the runway and pull back up, rather than touching down and EoR. The guy I flew with did his T&G near the beginning EoR so that if something did go wrong at that point he would still have the whole runway to work with, rather than just half. Many people I see doing T&G get real close and hold about 10-20' till the center of the runway then just touch long enough to spin the wheels before pulling up again.
 

"Guard well the words you use, for they can be the keys to your freedom or the manacles of your slavery." - me
IP Logged
 
Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 10:42am

olderndirt   Offline
Colonel
Flying is PFM
Rochester, WA

Gender: male
Posts: 3574
*****
 
Sir Puma wrote on Dec 2nd, 2009 at 10:35pm:
olderndirt wrote on Nov 23rd, 2009 at 5:41pm:
Quote:
This is a typical circuit. Touch & goes are usually accomplished over the runway portion
Maybe it's just me but I sense a little 'tongue in cheek' here.  Nice traffic pattern graphic.


I think what he meant was that people doing T&G usually touch down near the center of the runway and pull back up, rather than touching down and EoR. The guy I flew with did his T&G near the beginning EoR so that if something did go wrong at that point he would still have the whole runway to work with, rather than just half. Many people I see doing T&G get real close and hold about 10-20' till the center of the runway then just touch long enough to spin the wheels before pulling up again.
Perhaps I see humor where none was intended.  At the start, touch and go's are a means of accomplishing a landing and a takeoff in one pass.  Ideally each should be a complete landing to a slow roll followed by a takeoff with everything appropriately set.  Some airports are too busy to allow more than an immediate transition from on to off.  When you're comfortable with your landing skills, it's good to pick a spot and see how close you can 'touch' - ideally in the first third of the runway so there's always room for the 'go'. 
 

... 

                            
THIS IS NOT A PANAM CLIPPER

                                                            
IP Logged
 
Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 1:55pm
SeanTK   Ex Member

 
It was a little tongue in cheek, but I also gathered from the original post that the author may have thought that a pattern is a rectangle around the runway, and that the runway is not incorporated into one of the legs of the rectangle. It also seemed as if the author was unsure if touch/go's were a part of a circuit, or if it all was just pattern altitude maneuver practice.  Smiley
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2009 at 6:53pm

olderndirt   Offline
Colonel
Flying is PFM
Rochester, WA

Gender: male
Posts: 3574
*****
 
Quote:
it all was just pattern altitude maneuver practice.  Smiley
Back in my salad days at one busy VFR airport, thats what pattern practice became from time to time as we launched backed up departures.  Often had eight to ten doing a half hour or so of four medium banked turns 'about an airport'.  This was shortly after Vietnam and the air was full of guys spending their GI bill - spent a few myself.  Smiley.
 

... 

                            
THIS IS NOT A PANAM CLIPPER

                                                            
IP Logged
 
Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2009 at 4:25pm

peter-reebok   Offline
Colonel
Fly FS
Australia

Gender: male
Posts: 22
*****
 
Quote:
It was a little tongue in cheek, but I also gathered from the original post that the author may have thought that a pattern is a rectangle around the runway, and that the runway is not incorporated into one of the legs of the rectangle. It also seemed as if the author was unsure if touch/go's were a part of a circuit, or if it all was just pattern altitude maneuver practice.  Smiley



You got it in one!.
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print