Sounds good Sean... ...!

I have appeared on most, if not all, of the previous Sim V Air Displays organised successfully by various Members over the years... ...!

As you know, I am around the Flight Sim most of the British daytime GMT Time Zone... ...!
The usual Sim V "Paper Aeroplane" and FS Nav accompanies me during all my visits as a Spectator.

More details later?

Paul...G-BPLF...FS 2004....FS Navigator.

...the most important thing...."The Rules"... ...!

I would be able to perform in a helicopter. I'll think about which one it will be. 

Brandon

PS: I'm an FSX user

It might be a good idea to post a link to the download for the aircraft you are going to be flying.


For example:
"I'm going to be flying the Boeing P8A Poseidon."
http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?type=item&ID=86&page=10
(I'm not really going to be flying that though.)

Sounds cool. May I suggest that say 5 suggestions being made for a date. That date can be voted for then (not a poll,you get asses that vote on a poll for fun) After the date has been established,the time can be established the same way?

OK, I'll just toss these random dates out. All time would either be at 2pm US Eastern or 4pm.

Possible dates:
Friday, Nov 27
Saturday, Nov 28
Sunday, Dec 27
Monday, Dec 28
Tuesday, Dec 29

If planning on attending and performing, please post a link to your aircraft (remember that it must work in both sims), along with any repaints that you will use. We'll settle on a spectator aircraft shortly.

Note to FSX users, you'll probably have to operate during the show with bloom turned off.

Possible locations are still up for grabs.

ApplePie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2009 at 10:03am:



I would suggest somewhere like Edwards.

Nice & open, and it lines up well for both sims online.


Also check this out, Jake has done a very solid job of this before, and it would make a nice template for this.

http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1225129055






And following this thread needs to be a non-optional requirement, or this could fall apart fast.

http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1252421080

Can I just ask, wouldn't a spectator need a plane to watch? And what do the performers do?
I've never been on multiplayer before sorry 

I'd be well up for this. I;d suggest the december dates just so we can get things organised with plenty on time....the others are less than 2 weeks away 

If I can make the arranged date you can sign me up provisionally for my traditional default extra 300 display, a Typhoon display and possibly the vBBMF could be resurrected (including the glorious return of XH558 )

I'd go FS9 just to get minimum stuttering (FSX still runs a bit jumpy if there's lots of aircraft about, even on i7 with GTX 285 )

.mic

I'll put all of these details in a nicer, easier to read format once everything is ironed out, but just for now read all of the following.

I think we'll go with Edwards AFB in the US if that is ok with everyone.

At this point in time we'll scratch the November dates and just focus on the December ones. Time is not definite yet, but will probably be 2pm US Eastern.

The "paper airplane" sounds like a good choice for a spectator aircraft.

For performing aircraft, those of you that want to use the default Extra 300 may want to take a look at the FFS one here in the SimV library. That way people with both sims see the exact same thing.

Performances will go one at a time unless there is a team/formation display.

If a user would rather prep for the performance instead of sit and watch others before they are on, they can use and circle north of Edwards AF Auxiliary North Base. This is not suggested, but I'll leave the option open for convenience.

I'm sure everyone here will be courteous, but just as a general rule, no being disruptive while the airshow is running or you'll be warned once, then booted.

When choosing your planes to use, remember that we have users from both FS2004 and FSX attending.

If anybody wishes to act in an announcer capacity on Teamspeak, say so.

NOTE: READ THE STICKIED TOPICS AT THE TOP OF THIS MULTIPLAYER FORUM SO YOUR PORTS ARE SET CORRECTLY!
http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1243892329
http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148901173

Beyond regarding the above, I would like participants to post all necessary links to their aircraft AND links to any repaints that they will be using. Of course this means that any addon aircraft used must be FREEWARE.
Participants should specify what they intend on doing with their aircraft during the show.
Participants should specify how long they wish to perform, and I will work out an average time that each person has the stage once I get a general idea of how long people want to go. (Example: average ends up meaning that everyone is on stage for 3 minutes each or something.)

Unless there is a major real world event or technical difficulties that make it hard for the majority of people to show up, the event will NOT be rescheduled after the final date and time is decided.



Other notes:
Weather settings: clear skies, zero wind, at least 10 miles visibility.

Simviation server.

Chat box and Teamspeak will be available. Try to refrain from communicating while a performer is performing.

I suggest using FSRecorder for monitoring this performance with maximum viewing angle flexibility.

Please remember that your aircraft choice must work in both sims, and all files must be available to all users.

I'd definately be up for this, as always i'd fly something like the default Extra 300 or Beech Baron (doing baronabitics).

Possibly a flypast in a Avro Vulcan too.....

BrandonF wrote on Nov 19^th, 2009 at 11:05pm:


Remember that the "Paper Aeroplane" doesn't make any annoying noises when it is parked....and its low polygon count doesn't hog the Multiplayer Bandwidth, slowing everything down,  and also eliminates any possible "Stutter and Judder" in the screen display, especially for low specification computers....and Dial-up Users.... ....(good-old days!... ...).

Excellent set of "Rules", Sean... ...!

looks good to me......!

Paul...G-BPLF..FS 2004...FS Navigator... ...!

P.S....I wonder if Jessy Corrales (Katahu) will treat us to his presence with his Ice Cream Van this time...always a welcome sight on a hot day! ...!

P.P.S....also, remember that that special, User-designed/modified  textures, paint jobs, effects, etc, will not appear to other Pilots in the Sim!

Princess Juliana Intl is really easy on my computer. I don't get much stuttering. There isn't a taxiway and not very good parking. 

B-Valvs wrote on Nov 20^th, 2009 at 4:05pm:



Turn down the autogen.  Are you there to watch planes, or buildings and trees?   

Other than the buildings, it's several thousand acres of empty desert, nothing to block the view, and they both line up in both sims.

That is the single most important factor when mixing FSX & FS9 online for an airshow.  If the airfields don't line up well, it will be downhill from there.

If we don't use Edwards, we do need to pick somewhere in relatively flat, open, featureless terrain, that will line up in both sims.

Maybe on an Island somewhere?  Johnson Atoll would be a good one.

Dobbins AFB (KMGE) doesn't have that many objects, even with the scenery pack I downloaded here on simv.

I might enter, depending what aircraft i can find that works on both.
Are we allowed to edit our cfg files to increase performance on our planes like the real air show pilots do ?


EDIT and does the Bingio FSX package show as the bingo fs2004 package?

2pm Eastern is 6am here in Australia, might not make it. However 4pm Eastern is 8am which isn't as bad, which were you planning on using?

Would love to make an appearence and possibly do a display in a Sabre, Section F8 works in both sims.

Tai-2 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2009 at 8:06pm:


In all my Computer Games I always select:

Infinite Lives.
Infinite weapons.
Invincibility.
Never die.
Re spawn.
Infinite time.
No collisions.
Invisible/cloaking mode.
Infinite Beer.
..etc...

Can I have Infinite Power in the Flight Sim?......please....... ...!

Paul... ... ... ...!

ShaneG wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2009 at 8:31am:


Ah ok thanks, exactly what I saw...
so i do have to manualy open them all :|
oh well will be worth it in the long shot

Quote:


...sorted!.... ...!

Paul...G-BPLF...FS 2004...FS Nav....Edwards AFB....Paper Aeroplane... ...!

BrandonF wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2009 at 2:30pm:

11.30am I think.

3 Hour difference. 

B-Valvs wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2009 at 7:39pm:


if you use fsx ya do is what i am understanding... and at first I thought I had this all down until... I had to make a support post on my port fail.

I will be performing in the PAD CL-604.

http://www.premaircraft.com/CL604_FS9/C604_FS9downloadpage/index.html

How long should a performance last?

Quote:


I think 3-5 minutes per, should have a limit so no one goes over board. And are you going to be having people take off and get to a good altitude before they preform I.e if Player 1 is preforming, and 2 is next, will 2 go ahead and take off to get alt. or maybe let that be something a player can request?
Because certain aircraft take a while to get to a good, safe alttitude

EDIT and might I suggest you edit the first thread every now and then with confirmed preformers with the links to the planes so someone just entering doesn't have to go through every page

Added the download link for the Paper Plane to your original post Sean, hope thats ok.

Tuesday 3:30pm would work for me and I would be willing to perform

Fozzer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2009 at 3:47am:

Should we be using some specific addon scenery. I know (at least in FS9) there are no parking spaces, so we'll need to start on a runway and move to another spot if we are spectators. I can add special parking to the default FSX and FS9 airports if you want. I just need to know how many people there are and where they should go.

I will preform in a modified RV-4 from Van
http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?ID=84&page=14&mark=5562


http://www.simviation.com/simviation/download.php?ID=5562

plus i cannot get the paper airplane to show up :| it is in the right spot


and i agree with B-Valvs, there are no parking spaces, so we would all have to start on the runway..
and if we do use addon on, we should asign parking spaces determined by performance time for example
First performer, Parking space 1, second, 2 etc etc

Here is what default FS2004 KEDW looks like.
I quickly drew out the general plan.

Green Dot = Show Center
Red = Spectator Area
Yellow = Active Runway
Blue = Ground travel path for performing aircraft. Note the runup area. It will serve as a very short term waiting area for the next performer to get ready for takeoff.
Also note the blue arrows, showing suggested routes for runway entrance and exit for performing aircraft.

B-valves, if you could make about a dozen spots in the red area for this field, it would be appreciated.



Taxiway A is the one on the far left, next to the runup area, and will serve as the designated taxiway for all departing aircraft.

Taxiways B and C are located centrally and at the far end respectively and will only be used for arriving aircraft going into the spectator zone.

Exiting the runway at taxiway B is preferred.

The active runway is runway 4.

Tai-2 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2009 at 11:31pm:


...if you just "click" on the File, some hidden text detail often pops up!...(like .cfg ..etc, after the name).......!

Paul.

I always have my "Show Hidden Files" box ticked....

...but many of my files with "long names" only show up completely after clicking once on the file to highlight it...(some of the text, etc is hidden).

I think it conserves space associated with the Icon, by condensing the text under it.... ...!

Particularly noticeable on File Icons with long names on the Desktop.... ...!

Paul....you cant see me...I am condensed!... ...!

it worked :| feel stupid :|

Wondering: Since we can only use FS2004 planes, what about textures. For example, I have the free REX grass, jetways and roads, should we put the default textures back?

Well want to make sure, havn't ever played on this server

Remember if you install 3rd Party Aircraft textures from "other" sources and apply them to your Aircraft, they wont appear to other Pilots...
..the same goes for certain "Effects"...they wont appear in Multiplayer...

In actual fact, the only Aircraft, Scenery, etc which is sure to appear to EVERYONE in Multiplayer, is the "Default" set!....its the way Uncle Bill designed it!..... ...!

...(Which is why I mostly use my Default Beech Baron 58 in Multiplayer....everyone has it, and everyone can see it!)

Paul...G-BPLF...FS 2004...

Good evening gentlemen!!

It's been a while. 

Not sure what I'll be flying yet, but bag-see me a slot and I'll let you know in the near future (still getting fs9 up and running again). Will be nice to catch up and do some flying with you chaps again.

Ta for the reference to me at the start of the thread btw.

skoker wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 12:01am:

Remember, no payware!

Quote:


perfect for me! and perfect timing to let me get that new case for better air circulation

Ok, so far we are on still on track for the 27th. I'll get a performer roster up sometime over the weekend.

I'm going to be displaying in Rick Piper's Bristol Sycamore helicopter, rather than the Magister.
http://www.cbfsim.net/library/thumbnails.php?album=27

I think B-Valvs is working on the AFCAD, and other than that, we are pretty much set for a small show. I'm hoping that I won't be working on that day!

As I said before, I'm up for my classic Default Extra 300s display.....

Also, DSB Eurofighter Typhoon here

Also vBBMF if I can get it organised (now I have time ) (Still need one more Pilot....)

.mic

Performance List: (Note: This is not in order of appearance. That still needs to be determined somehow.)



SteveH - North American F-86 Sabre
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/syb.cgi?section=military&file=sabrejet.zip



machineman9 - (Default) Extra 300



Hughes-MDflyer4 - Sikorsky S-55
http://download768.mediafire.com/zmsdytxqzthg/2ngvwkxkmmz/SimV_airshow_S55.exe


B-Valvs - PAD CL-604.
http://www.premaircraft.com/CL604_FS9/C604_FS9downloadpage/index.html



Skoker- unconfirmed
http://www.projectopensky.com/downloadfile.php?filename=OS742SF_JT9D_G-MKHA.zip


The Ruptured Duck - (default) DC-3



Mictheslik - (default) Extra 300 + DSB Eurofighter Typhoon
http://www.simviation.com/fs2002military39.htm



Mitch - Posky USN Boeing P-8A Poseidon
http://www.projectopensky.com/downloadfile.php?filename=os_boeing_poseidon_usn_v...

Get Skoker's soundset with this one unless you want to see him cry.....



Mazza - (default) Boeing 737


ApplePie - HJG 727-200
http://www.simviation.com/hjg/aircraft/boeing/basepacks/vl_hjg_b727-200_early_v1....
http://www.simviation.com/hjg/aircraft/boeing/b727-200/b727-200_american_airline....


SPECTATORS:
Paper Airplane Model: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/syb2.cgi?section=misc&file=paprplan.zip

Fozzer

UNCONFIRMED MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN THIS THREAD:

ShaneG
ApplePie
JakesF14
The Snake 87
SubZero
Hagar




IMPORTANT NOTES:

Sunday, December 27: 3:30PM US Eastern. Default Edwards Air Force Base, California.

All performers are allowed a maximum of two performance aircraft. On the day of the performance, each person will go in their order, then those people with a second plane will go up for their second performance, in the same user order, skipping anyone that only wants to go once.


Performers, please have all download links to your aircraft + liveries established here no later than three days prior to the event.

Unconfirmed guests, please specify if there is a likely chance that you will be showing up at least three days prior to the event. If you wish to perform, then post all links at least three days prior to the event.


Cancellations:
We all know that "real life happens". So, if you can't show up and know ahead of time, please post here, even if it is only a day in advance if you are able, simply for our planning convenience.

If something comes up suddenly that prevents you from informing us, don't worry, that is understandable! We'll just modify the show routine if necessary.



Narration:
If there is majority interest, then we could log in to Teamspeak, and listen to a designated announcer while the show goes on. If we determine that this is desired, if there is anyone that wants to do announcing duties, let us know!
Announcer: Must be able to read and speak English in a clear, comprehensible, and for the case of narration, lively, manner.

Mitch. wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 10:07pm:

You make me want to cry...

Here ya go...  Give me a week and I'll have my best ones yet IMO

A32X and MD-90 IAE v2500:
http://flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=141399

737NG Cfm56-7b:
http://flightsim.com/kdl.php?fid=138489

I added 15 extra spots. Will that be enough?

There are custom taxi-signs too. 

Current update time December 17, shortly after 10:30pm Eastern.

--->We need to determine a show order. I really could care less who goes first and last, but it would be good to do this so we don't have a massive pileup on the hold short line, and people can sit in the viewing area knowing they won't miss out on their performance and that they have an allotted time.

--->Are we using Teamspeak for this event?

--->Will there be routines involving multiple members in the air at once?

--->I am aware of one fly-in. (Member not appearing immediately at Edwards AFB.) Any others?

--->Keeping the previous two points in mind, we need to set a "stage-time" for each performance. I was thinking 4 minutes max, but am unsure if this would interfere with anyone's routines.

Also, I am unsure of how many people we could get if everyone is able to show up, since I have that list of thread participants that did not indicate a likely intention of doing so. I think B-Valvs is making 15-20 parking spaces, which should be plenty, but some arrival guidelines should probably be set, and I propose the following:

--All arrivals (performers + spectators) minus the known performance fly-in should be parked at the airfield at least 10 minutes prior to the event start time.

--I'll try to get an attendance update in this thread the day of the performance if I can show up. This will consist of me indicating whether or not sufficient parking is available. (probably)
If for some reason we get a huge crowd and lack parking (highly doubtful), I need all newcomers to appear at Edwards Auxiliary North Airfield, and slew to the spectator area.

--If a performer is not present by the time their performance starts, then the schedule simply moves onto the next person. If the performer shows up later, they will be fit in either last or wherever space is available.


More show logistics:

-When a performer has 1 minute left, the next in line can taxi to the hold short line. With 30 seconds left, the next up can line up on the end of the runway. When the previous performer is on final approach for their end of performance landing, the next performer takes off, and can do one circuit or whatever is necessary until the previous performer clears the runway.

-Regarding the previous note. Each performer's clock starts when the runway is clear and they are lined up on short final to fly over show center.
Their clock ends when they are on short final for their final landing.
I'm not going to be a time-nazi about this, but I'm sure we would appreciate people sticking close to whatever the allotted time will be.

-Turn crash detection off.


NOTE: I encourage discussion on the show clock info. I am unsure of the best way to do this.




Finally, on a non-critical note.....
I am still unsure of my work schedule for this date, so ironically I may not even be able to show up to this event. I'll find out by the end of next week.


I don't want to blindly set rules for a lot of the above points because I am afraid of messing up people's performance plans, so I need some good input here on every aspect that I mentioned.

That's alright, and understandable.

Page 6 member list updated: 12-19-2009. 3:33pm.

SeanTK, I decided to fly a Sikorsky S-55 instead of the S-51. Here is a link to the .exe download. I specially modified the helicopter for the airshow. When you install, there is an option to install the FS9 or FSX version depending on what sim you have. Both have the exact same names in the .cfg entry so that there should be no viewing trouble. 

http://download768.mediafire.com/zmsdytxqzthg/2ngvwkxkmmz/SimV_airshow_S55.exe

-Brandon

I knew I should have picked Tuesday.....I won't be able to attend this Sunday one. I'll be working all day. 

Also, page 6 list is updated based on this and the previous two posts.
Have fun guys!

After some thought, I will most likely not be attending the show.
Not sure yet, so if I come I am in, if not then not.

...just a final check, Chums.... ....

I assume that we will all be using the Default (FS2004/FSX) Edwards AFB (KEDW) Scenery (very sparse) for the Show?... ...!

I have copied the show "layout screen" on my Desktop for reference to the various activities and locations....>>>>

Air Show Plan

Runway 04 > 22

Looking good so far, for Sunday.... ...!

Paul...G-BPLF..FS 2004..FS Navigator..and a Paper Aeroplane.... (..and hope there is no rain!)... ...!

FS Navigator Plan...>>> FS Nav Plan

Courtesy of FS Navigator.

Well it seems it was not ment for me to preform... While putting my antec psu into my new case, it stopped working :|. All I have for psus is a 250 W :| That ain't even enough for my gpu :|