Simviation Forum - Adding turnaround at end of RW

Nov 15^th, 2009 at 7:53am

trollhattan Ex Member

Hi, i am new to this forum and hoe that you can help me out with a problem...

I have a problem with atc not giving me the ILS option, i only get visual landing options, The airport (Esgp with swedflights scenery) have aproach lights and according to afcad there should be ILS at rw19, the planes FMC also shows an ILS approach option...

What can I do ?

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Reply #1 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 8:55am

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Is ATC directing you to land runway 19? Have you tried requesting a different approach?

Dave

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Reply #2 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 9:15am

trollhattan Ex Member

No ATC is directing me to Runway 01, if i choose to request something else i just get Visual Runway 01, Visual Runway 19 . No ILS...

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Reply #3 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 9:20am

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Does this happen regardless of weather conditions?

If the weather was manually set, to where the approach had to be ILS at 19, does the ATC still only give visual ?

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Reply #4 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 10:27am

trollhattan Ex Member

yes, yes

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Reply #5 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 10:31am

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No ATC is directing me to Runway 01, if i choose to request something else i just get Visual Runway 01, Visual Runway 19 . No ILS...

If you are being directed to land runway 1, then they won't give you the ILS to 19. The ILS is one way, only for landing on 19. That is why you are receiving the visual. If you want to land on 19, and use the ILS, the winds will have to be out of the south so that runway is active.

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Reply #6 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 11:05am

trollhattan Ex Member

i have managed to make runway 1 closed for landings and takeoffs (i used afcad), ATC now directs me to runway 19 but still only Visual...

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Reply #7 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 5:11pm

trollhattan Ex Member

Just fixed it with "ILS_GPS_Approach_Creator" , and i just made my first ILS landing at the airport Cheesy

Now to another question, IRL the airport doesnt have taxiways, so in the game you taxi on the runway to the end of it and then you turn around the aircraft and then take-off.

BUT, the end of the runway isnt big enough to turn around a b738. IRL i looks something like this:

Bad picture i know, but i hope you get it. Can i insert something like that to the airport ?

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Reply #8 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 7:18pm

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Just fixed it with "ILS_GPS_Approach_Creator" , and i just made my first ILS landing at the airport Cheesy

Now to another question, IRL the airport doesnt have taxiways, so in the game you taxi on the runway to the end of it and then you turn around the aircraft and then take-off.

BUT, the end of the runway isnt big enough to turn around a b738. IRL i looks something like this:

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Bad picture i know, but i hope you get it. Can i insert something like that to the airport ?

It would depend upon how the airport scenery was designed.

If it uses the traditional AFCAD to create the runways and taxiways etc. then yes, you can edit the afcad using the free AFCAD utility by Lee Swordy.

If however the runways and taxiways etc. are actually a part of the scenery itself (common with older design programs), then you will not be able to change what you see - at least nothing added to the afcad will display.

It might be possible to use some other program and create an "object" which would look like the apron and be of a useable size and then add it, but that would be a long shot I believe.

David "Opa" Marshall

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Reply #9 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 9:14pm

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Hi trollhattan, welcome to FS and Simv.

About runways with ILS in only one direction, you can still use ILS going the 'wrong' way. Just line the ILS up on the 'normal' bearing (in this case 190 degrees, even though you're actually landing on a vector of 10 degrees) - then press 'REV' (for 'reverse) on the autopilot panel instead of 'APP'; and the A/P will line you up.

The only snag is that the A/P won't handle the height for you - but approach at say 2,500 feet above runway height, set the descent rate at say 500 feet/minute from say ten miles out, and you won't go far wrong. Then 'fine-tune' the descent rate setting closer in if your eye tells you that you're getting too high or too low. If in doubt, keep her a bit high rather than risk getting too low; with a long runway that doesn't matter much, you can easily bleed off any extra height before flaring just by 'landing a bit long.'

About turning at the end of the runway, why not just turn round on the grass? You couldn't get away with it in a 737 in real life, but you'll probably be OK in the Sim.

Another funny thing is that I called up that airport myself (Save AFB at Goteborg?); the 'default' airport seems to be 'correct' - ILS on 19) AND it also has proper taxiways serving both ends of the runway. Might be simpler just to go back to that?

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