Simviation Forum - Toyota F1 Quit

Nov 4^th, 2009 at 3:34am

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003

Not a surprise, at least sauber now have a spot on the grid.

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Reply #1 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 5:12am

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Craig. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 3:34am:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003

Not a surprise, at least sauber now have a spot on the grid.

And unless a tyre supplier is found, they will all be on the grid on 4 bricks. It would seem that none of the big names are are willing to return to F1. Dunlop, Goodyear, Michelin and Pirelli are not interested (or so they say).

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Reply #2 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 5:22am

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Avon still have a big motorsport involvement.
Whats needed is one tyre for the whole season. None of this two types per race, just one tyre, somewhere in compound between medium and hard should be enough. Yes the teams will struggle at certain tracks, but it will seperate the men from the boys, give us a good spectacle and make racing much more interesting. It'll lower costs as they want. Other series manage it so why not F1.

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Reply #3 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 7:50am

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I hope Kobayashi gets a drive next season, he was the only rookie who impressed me this season.

As for Toyota, it just goes to show money doesn't always buy success. 9 years of the biggest budget and not a single win.

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Reply #4 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 9:28am

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As for Toyota, it just goes to show money doesn't always buy success. 9 years of the biggest budget and not a single win.

Best news to come out of F1 this year, along with BMW pulling out.

Hopefully at last F1 will be returning to its roots, with private companies (and Ferrari & Renault) at the forefront, backed by decent engine suppliers. A sport full of works backed teams almost always spell disaster.

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Reply #5 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 9:40am

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The big concern is how much influnence Mercedes are getting, with so many teams now being powered by them.

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Reply #6 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 12:36pm

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C wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 9:28am:

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As for Toyota, it just goes to show money doesn't always buy success. 9 years of the biggest budget and not a single win.

Best news to come out of F1 this year, along with BMW pulling out.

Hopefully at last F1 will be returning to its roots, with private companies (and Ferrari & Renault) at the forefront, backed by decent engine suppliers. A sport full of works backed teams almost always spell disaster.

I wouldn't hold your breath about Renault ..... They are considering getting out as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8343221.stm

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Reply #7 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 1:00pm

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eno wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 12:36pm:

C wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 9:28am:

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As for Toyota, it just goes to show money doesn't always buy success. 9 years of the biggest budget and not a single win.

Best news to come out of F1 this year, along with BMW pulling out.

Hopefully at last F1 will be returning to its roots, with private companies (and Ferrari & Renault) at the forefront, backed by decent engine suppliers. A sport full of works backed teams almost always spell disaster.

I wouldn't hold your breath about Renault ..... They are considering getting out as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8343221.stm

If they did though, the remnants would be in a better position than Brawn or Sauber, as Renault are still committed as an engine supplier, and in fairness have one of the best F1 factories at Enstone, in the heart of F1 country.

Toyota of course have a sterile factory in Germany, no incentive to produce powerplants through customers, and are probably a little miffed by the waste of a decade of money, unlike other programmes where they've been able to walk in and win.

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Reply #8 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 1:18pm

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Toyota's problem was always the same as Honda's.
Run by commitee.
You had a fairly useless figurehead running the team (John Howitt) who's being controlled by a large group back in Japan cutoff from the day to day runnings and a lack of knowing whats going on in F1. Look at Honda, Dave Richards incharge, got the job done, good results challenged Ferrari and Renault. Honda bosses didn't like the power he had, replaced him with Nick Fry, a complete twit who could be puppet to the Japanese bosses. Honda go down the crapper. Ross Brawn comes in, basically closes up shop on Honda's work seeing it was not going to go anywhere, end up with a dominant car a year later. Honda quit claiming financial differences, I think they finally realised they didn't have a clue anymore.

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Reply #9 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 1:45pm

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Craig. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 1:18pm:

Honda bosses didn't like the power he had, replaced him with Nick Fry, a complete twit who could be puppet to the Japanese bosses. Honda go down the crapper. Ross Brawn comes in, basically closes up shop on Honda's work seeing it was not going to go anywhere, end up with a dominant car a year later.

To be fair, Nick Fry's a very astute businessman. However, running a good business doesn't equate to results, hence the requirement for the professional competitive instinct and nous of RB.

Put simply though, whereas if Renault pull the plug, there's a chance of a takeover. Toyota, not a hope I suspect.

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Reply #10 - Nov 4^th, 2009 at 5:04pm

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If this continues F-1 is going to look like indycar/champcar.

What a crummy year of racing news. Its not like I can just switch channels to sportscar racing either because the ALMS is underappreciated in the states and they only have 12 races. Angry

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Reply #11 - Nov 5^th, 2009 at 11:24am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 5:04pm:

If this continues F-1 is going to look like indycar/champcar.

Why? We're not going to one or two customer chassis and single engine's yet.

Or driving on endlesssssssssss ovals!

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Reply #12 - Nov 5^th, 2009 at 1:54pm

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C wrote on Nov 5^th, 2009 at 11:24am:

The Ruptured Duck wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 5:04pm:

If this continues F-1 is going to look like indycar/champcar.

Why? We're not going to one or two customer chassis and single engine's yet.

Or driving on endlesssssssssss ovals!

not yet.....

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Reply #13 - Nov 5^th, 2009 at 11:26pm

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Nov 5^th, 2009 at 1:54pm:

C wrote on Nov 5^th, 2009 at 11:24am:

The Ruptured Duck wrote on Nov 4^th, 2009 at 5:04pm:

If this continues F-1 is going to look like indycar/champcar.

Why? We're not going to one or two customer chassis and single engine's yet.

Or driving on endlesssssssssss ovals!

not yet.....

Even so, it wouldn't be disasterous - in the 70's F1 had the majority of teams running the same engine - in fact the same basic Cosworth was the staple engine of much of F1 for nearly 20 years. The major thing for F1 to keep is the independent chassis manufacturers, even if eventually a couple of teams are allowed to run year old chassis as "customers". That's the way you achieve variety. IMHO if necessary F1 can easily survive with three engine suppliers should Renault go; Ferrari, Mercedes and Cosworth. Should Renault stay, we're no worse of than in the early/mid 90s.

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