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Oct 23
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Anyone ever encoutered crazy or dangerous road junctions...
Photos are welcom
Let's start with some really nasty ones in Italy
Autostrada #3, Ercolano branchoff
Google maps
. 180 degree turn from standstill onto a 130kmh road. When i drove it, it was even worse than the google maps photo due to roadworks
Another one in italy, but i cant find it on google maps... I think it was also the A3 but it could have been the A30 too. Imagina a 2x3 highway, with a local branchoff, WHITOUT ANY OVERPASS, just turn to the left and cross the 3+ lanes. Oh and the sign was just 100m before the exit. All on a 130kmh road
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Just when your day couldn't get much worse... The Clover and Rotary Supercollider roads...
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If you want extreme junctions ........ try this for size.
Swindon's Magic roundabout.
http://picdit.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/2-hardcore-roundabouts/
Here's one from Glasgow, Scotland
Junction 15 on the M8
Note the direction arrows on the orange link roads next to the A804 and 15 tags. These are the links between Springburn road and the OUTSIDE (or fast lane) lanes of both carriageways. Although the speed limit on this particular stretch of the motorway is 50mph (80kph) it is still rather disconcerting to even the most experienced driver.
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eno wrote
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If you want extreme junctions ........ try this for size.
Swindon's Magic roundabout.
http://picdit.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/2-hardcore-roundabouts/
Despite it's visual absurdity, it actually works quite well though, particularly for regular users. As most of the traffic only comes from three of the roads joining it, you can sometimes get round it exceptionally easily!
As for the UK, plenty of absurd entry slip roads and carriageway-crossing exits on to the A1, which shows its age. Thankfully they've started replacing these with more modern junctions.
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C wrote
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eno wrote
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If you want extreme junctions ........ try this for size.
Swindon's Magic roundabout.
http://picdit.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/2-hardcore-roundabouts/
Despite it's visual absurdity, it actually works quite well though, particularly for regular users. As most of the traffic only comes from three of the roads joining it, you can sometimes get round it exceptionally easily!
As for the UK, plenty of absurd entry slip roads and carriageway-crossing exits on to the A1, which shows its age. Thankfully they've started replacing these with more modern junctions.
The trick to the Magic Roundabout is to go around it in an anti clockwise direction. Everyone cues to drive around it clockwise because that is the direction you drive around a roundabout, however, as long as you go around each individual roundabout clockwise nothing says you can't drive around anticlockwise from roundabout to roundabout, getting across the roundabout in roundabout a quicker time than the rest in the cue
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Oct 25
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Many years ago when I used to visit my Daughter at Swindon, I often encountered Swindon's "Magic Roundabout", and after prior warnings/instructions, and a couple of successful attempts, I actually found it quite a good design.
All the drivers had to do, was to make sure to give way to traffic approaching on their right-hand side in each section, whilst negotiating their way through its Maze!
Progress was surprisingly speedy!
Traffic lights stop the traffic!....Roundabouts keep traffic moving...
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spagghetti junction. I once got lost in there for a week.
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Oct 25
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There's also a variant of Swindon's magic roundabout on Heathrow's perimeter road outside Hatton Cross underground station. That really is a free for all.. those airport trucks and buses take NO prisoners.
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expat wrote
on Oct 25
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C wrote
on Oct 25
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, 2009 at 5:20am:
eno wrote
on Oct 25
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, 2009 at 5:00am:
If you want extreme junctions ........ try this for size.
Swindon's Magic roundabout.
http://picdit.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/2-hardcore-roundabouts/
Despite it's visual absurdity, it actually works quite well though, particularly for regular users. As most of the traffic only comes from three of the roads joining it, you can sometimes get round it exceptionally easily!
As for the UK, plenty of absurd entry slip roads and carriageway-crossing exits on to the A1, which shows its age. Thankfully they've started replacing these with more modern junctions.
The trick to the Magic Roundabout is to go around it in an anti clockwise direction. Everyone cues to drive around it clockwise because that is the direction you drive around a roundabout, however, as long as you go around each individual roundabout clockwise nothing says you can't drive around anticlockwise from roundabout to roundabout, getting across the roundabout in roundabout a quicker time than the rest in the cue
Matt
I disagree slightly; the trick to Swindon's magic roundabout is to go "northside" - ie closest to the football ground. So, approaching from the town centre go clockwise, from the eastern approaches, go anticlockwise. Approaching from the south? Tough! You're stuck!
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All nice and well, magic roundabout and such, but feast your eyes on this piece of marvelous engineering.
Four stories high, 2 crossing highways (A12 crossing above the A4), 8 off ramps and 8 on ramps.
Where to go?
However you want to drive to The Hague here in Holland you have to pass it.
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All nice and well, magic roundabout and such, but feast your eyes on this piece of marvelous engineering.
Four stories high, 2 crossing highways (A12 crossing above the A4), 8 off ramps and 8 on ramps.
Where to go?
However you want to drive to The Hague here in Holland you have to pass it.
Crash
We have several where our various motorways meet our M25 around London (M3, M23, M1, M4, M40, M11).
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Suicide Island in Coventry is quite an experience.
http://www.cbrd.co.uk/badjunctions/junction.php?id=34
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Hagar wrote
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Suicide Island in Coventry is quite an experience.
http://www.cbrd.co.uk/badjunctions/junction.php?id=34
I've never had too many issues - the traffic lights and lane markings seem to have improved. I suspect the traffic lights have removed some of the need to avoid "suicide"!
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Not to mention the fact that yall folks not only drive on the wrong side of the road, but you SIT on the wrong side of the car to do it!
I just couldnt resist! It was just TO tempting...Beat me, please?
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That Swindon thingie? What the hell? I'll never complain about Memphis or Dallas rush hour EVER again!
I would just get stuck driving round and round and round and eventually die of a burst bladder or colon on that Swindon thing!
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Plugpennyshadow wrote
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Not to mention the fact that yall folks not only drive on the wrong side of the road, but you SIT on the wrong side of the car to do it!
I just couldnt resist! It was just TO tempting...Beat me, please?
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Oct 26
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There's a few I've hit that made me wonder if the engineers were either stupid.....or did it as a joke because they could
First one....looks simple eh? I used to take this exit on a weekly basis while doing a job in South Bend...the clover leaf is not the issue here...zoom in on the bottom right exit merging from 31 north to the 20 bypass. Right before the merge onto 20 there is a dark triangle...that is actually a very high wall...that serves no purpose...problem....your coming off an exit with a 25mph limit...into traffic that is moving at 80mph+...you have no time to merge into that traffic, and that wall makes it where you can't see whats coming...all you can do is lay the hammer down and hope there's a hole when you get there
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Second...these 2 beasties I hit in Oklahoma City back in February heading down interstate 40 bound for 35...Surprisingly simple, unlike Indiana they actually have all the lanes marked every now and then....you just stay in the lane marked for the interstate you intend to get on...then the whole road just splits off in a million directions while doing 90mph...just so you were in the correct lane before that great divide everything is fine.
Clicky
There's many more...I know one in a city to my south, its a highway that does a cut over in down town, not bad, but there's one intersection that causes issues with anyone who's not familiar with it heading southbound, The sign says 15 with a bent 90° arrow pointing left, southbound has 2 lanes going up to the stop light, but only one lane on the other side, if taking 15, you would assume turn left as the sign says...no other markings to say different. Problem...turning left will put you head on with oncoming traffic...as its a one way street going the opposite direction
Most people...including myself have not realized this till its too late, then getting turned around is a real trick...if you don't get slammed first. There's been hundreds of minor accidents there, but not one thing has been done to change the situation. That little arrow actually means go up one street then turn left....but why not just save everyone the trouble, move it 200 feet south and put the arrow on the correct street.
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I know I would never survive driving in a European city....those roundabouts...look rather confusing to me
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I know I would never survive driving in a European city....those roundabouts...look rather confusing to me
Most roundabouts are fine & usually work better than traffic lights. It can get confusing if there are several marked lanes & you're not familiar with the area but the examples in this thread are extreme to say the least. The idea is to give way to traffic coming from the right (that would be the left in your case). When I first started motoring there was no such rule & it was a free-for-all. There were regular collisions & nervous drivers could easily get stuck on busy roundabouts for hours.
There are some roundabouts in the USA. The only one I know of is in Orlando, Florida. What I found most confusing about driving in America was the typical 4-way junctions. A roundabout would make things much easier. IMHO
I suppose it's what you're used to.
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As mentioned in the artical that Hagar has posted, France only adopted the yield on entry for roundabouts in 1983, prior to this rule the scariest junction I've ever experienced is
The Arch de Triumph
in Paris. This managed to scare the pants off a coach driver of 30 years experience.... and knowing the French it probably still would, as their idea of following road rules is rather loose, combine this with the fact that it is a major tourist attraction and it is complete chaos.
India is well renouned as one of the most dangerous places to drive you not only have to watch out for other drivers and predestrians but cows are free to wander anywhere. This makes any junction there extreme.
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As mentioned in the artical that Hagar has posted, France only adopted the yield on entry for roundabouts in 1983,
I've been trying to find out when this was first introduced in the UK. It wasn't that long ago & must have been the late 1960s or early 1970s. It seemed so obvious that we couldn't figure out why it wasn't done years before that.
What I find most confusing is complicated lane markings where you must be in the right lane to exit where you intended. Fine for the locals but a nightmare for strangers. The current trend of introducing traffic lights at roundabouts seems to make the roundabout completely unnecessary.
I found this clever animated GIF showing how it's all supposed to work on a standard 4-way junction. Easy enough isn't it?
The UK & other countries that drive on the left.
Continental Europe & the USA obviously go the opposite way round.
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I'd like to see that animation with real world traffic volume.
Packed with agitated rush hour commuters.
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I'd like to see that animation with real world traffic volume.
Packed with agitated rush hour commuters.
The rush hour commuters know where they're going & it usually works fine. It's the others you have to worry about.
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Roundabouts are a blessing to the (small) town I live in. There used to be a few traffic lights (like 4 or 5 junctions). Since they replaced them with roundabouts and put small roundabouts on most other junctions too about ten years ago, traffic flows much easier through town. The traffic jams of commuters in the morning and evening are practically gone even though the town grew with almost 15.000 people.
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ShaneG wrote
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I'd like to see that animation with real world traffic volume.
Packed with agitated rush hour commuters.
Nervous ones with small, nervous bladders as well?
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Plugpennyshadow wrote
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ShaneG wrote
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I'd like to see that animation with real world traffic volume.
Packed with agitated rush hour commuters.
Nervous ones with small, nervous bladders as well?
That would add to the fun for sure.
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THIS
roundabout in Chesterfield, Derbyshire has always been a suicide mission, even in it's new incarnation which is represented by the map. The old roundabout was big enough for driving round at speed so entering it, especially from the south (A61), was perilous as the majority of traffic enters from the east (A617). The map overlay represents the new form as the area to the west has been re-developed thus the spur into the new industrial estate. Traffic lights have been added at all entrances apart from the one from the industrial estate. However the way the lanes have been laid out and the phasing of the lights means that high speed traffic trying to negotiate its path has the danger of running into the back of stationary traffic who's lights have either prevented it moving or are just about to be allowed to move in the same direction as the high speed traffic.
You can't really explain it and it must be a nightmare for anyone new to it. They have done a similar thing with the next
roundabout
further north on the A61. The addition of a new Tesco superstore in the Nort west of the image has ment that lanes have been added to the roundabout and more with similar results to the first one. I'm still getting to grips with the second one ..... and it's scary even as an experienced driver.
I would love to get hold of the consultants that designed both of the above and tie them to the front of a car trying to negotiate both of these nightmares.
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A useful roundabout which I occasionally come across (in the UK) is the "Mini Roundabout", (see Mini Roundabout)...>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
consisting of a small circle painted on the road at a road junction, which is treated as a normal roundabout during busy traffic times.
If there is no other approaching traffic present, it can be driven across, with care, to make a right-hand turn. (Left-hand in the US).
Its only danger under these circumstances, is being aware that the driver in front may be making a U-Turn round it, whilst the following drivers are taking a short-cut across it!
We have one on the approach to our Supermarket, and it works well in speeding up the traffic flow. when the majority of the traffic is traveling in one direction....they driver OVER it.
It does require great care in anticipating what maneuver other drivers are taking on the approach, especially if they are not indicating their intention!
...otherwise they can be useful...
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eno wrote
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THIS
roundabout in Chesterfield, Derbyshire has always been a suicide mission, even in it's new incarnation which is represented by the map. The old roundabout was big enough for driving round at speed so entering it, especially from the south (A61), was perilous as the majority of traffic enters from the east (A617). The map overlay represents the new form as the area to the west has been re-developed thus the spur into the new industrial estate. Traffic lights have been added at all entrances apart from the one from the industrial estate. However the way the lanes have been laid out and the phasing of the lights means that high speed traffic trying to negotiate its path has the danger of running into the back of stationary traffic who's lights have either prevented it moving or are just about to be allowed to move in the same direction as the high speed traffic.
You can't really explain it and it must be a nightmare for anyone new to it.
I know exactly what you mean as I've come across similar set-ups on my travels. I never understood the popular trend of putting traffic lights at existing roundabouts which defeats the whole idea of having a roundabout in the first place. It's supposed to improve the flow of traffic but usually has the opposite effect. Very frustrating to be forced to stop during quiet periods when the exit is perfectly clear.
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A useful roundabout which I occasionally come across (in the UK) is the "Mini Roundabout", (see Mini Roundabout)...>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
consisting of a small circle painted on the road at a road junction, which is treated as a normal roundabout during busy traffic times.
Lots of mini-roundabouts down here Paul. They seem to work quite well but can catch you out when they suddenly appear without warning. It doesn't take long to paint a circle on the road.
I'll have to see what it says in the Highway Code but I understood they should be treated as a normal roundabout at all times. This means that you give way (or yield) to traffic coming from the right. Providing you observe that rule I don't think there's any reason you can't drive over it.
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It does require great care in anticipating what
manoeuvre
other drivers are taking on the approach, especially if they are not indicating their intention!
...otherwise they can be useful...
So many drivers seem unaware of correct signalling on roundabouts which can be dangerous. I've always understood that you don't signal at all until just before your intended exit. Then indicate left. A lot of these rules have been updated over the years. I must purchase a copy of the latest Highway Code to see if I'm correct.*
*PS. No need to purchase it.
http://www.ukmotorists.com/highway%20code.asp?s=Roundabouts
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..I know its nothing to do with Roundabouts, but it does involve Traffic Lights...
Pedestrian Controlled Traffic Lights. Referred to as a; "Pelican Crossing"....>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelican_crossing
I have a habit of noting that the Traffic light ahead is Red after the Pedestrian has pushed the Button, and I come to a stop...
The pedestrian has crossed the road, and proceeded on their way, and there in no-one else visible approaching, or likely to cross whilst the light is still on Red, I then start, and proceed carefully with my journey, without waiting for it to turn Green, so as not to unnecessarily delay the traffic behind me for no good reason...
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Probably illegal...
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Fozzer wrote
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..I know its nothing to do with Roundabouts, but it does involve Traffic Lights...
Pedestrian Controlled Traffic Lights. Referred to as a; "Pelican Crossing"....>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelican_crossing
I have a habit of noting that the Traffic light ahead is Red after the Pedestrian has pushed the Button, and I come to a stop...
The pedestrian has crossed the road, and proceeded on their way, and there in no-one else visible approaching, or likely to cross whilst the light is still on Red, I then I then start, and proceed carefully with my journey, without waiting for it to turn Green, so as not to unnecessarily delay the traffic behind me for no good reason...
...!
Probably illegal...
...but what would you do?....Your Honour?
Paul....Mr. Common Sense!...
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I agree it's very frustrating when there's nobody on or near the crossing but I always wait until the lights go green. You never know who might be watching & I can't afford to lose my licence.
Captain Sensible.
PS. Driving a car in the UK is becoming a nightmare these days. The government seems to be running a hate campaign against motorists & does everything it can think of to make things more difficult for them. I often think it would be quicker to get out & walk. I spotted this in my local rag only yesterday. Whatever will they think of next?
DIY speed cameras will land Brighton residents with fines and warnings
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...I'll tell you something else which is
unbelievably annoying
, is when inquisitive little 4-year-old Johnny, out shopping with his Mum, observes that fascinating Button above him...and pushes it.....
.......and neither of them have any intention of crossing the road....
...and...also....
Annoying School Children, who push the button as they pass on the pavement to and from School, and bring the Traffic to a standstill, with no intention of crossing, just for a giggle!
Small Children...and School Children...and Teenagers... and Pelican Crossings!....
...!
Paul...
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...
...!
Whey-up!....and I haven't mentioned timed; "Road Works Traffic Lights" on Red....when there is no-one, in the far distance, as far as the eye can see, approaching in the opposite direction...especially late at night on deserted Country Roads!
...BAH....Mr. Impatient!...
...!
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Fozzer wrote
on Oct 27
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...BAH....Mr. Impatient!...
...!
....
....!
Steady on Paul! You'll do yourself a mischief.
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Oct 27
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Hagar wrote
on Oct 27
th
, 2009 at 1:47pm:
Fozzer wrote
on Oct 27
th
, 2009 at 6:38am:
...BAH....Mr. Impatient!...
...!
....
....!
Steady on Paul! You'll do yourself a mischief.
...I know.....
....
...I almost bought "Photoshop"!...
...
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...!
Paul...
...!
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Fozzer wrote
on Oct 27
th
, 2009 at 6:38am:
...I'll tell you something else which is
unbelievably annoying
, is when inquisitive little 4-year-old Johnny, out shopping with his Mum, observes that fascinating Button above him...and pushes it.....
.......and neither of them have any intention of crossing the road....
...and...also....
Annoying School Children, who push the button as they pass on the pavement to and from School, and bring the Traffic to a standstill, with no intention of crossing, just for a giggle!
That's too bad. I'm convinced that in the USA, those buttons do absolutely nothing. I think it's some sort of public morale-booster... y'know, give the "little people" a sense of empowerment.
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eno
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beaky wrote
on Nov 9
th
, 2009 at 11:24pm:
That's too bad. I'm convinced that in the USA, those buttons do absolutely nothing. I think it's some sort of public morale-booster... y'know, give the "little people" a sense of empowerment.
At large road junctions that is the case ....... but here in the UK we have stand alone predestrian controlled crossings where you push the button and wait a short time for the traffic to be stopped.
CLICKY
As Paul has stated it can be extremely annoying when someone presses the button but doesn't cross.
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eno wrote
on Nov 10
th
, 2009 at 3:06am:
beaky wrote
on Nov 9
th
, 2009 at 11:24pm:
That's too bad. I'm convinced that in the USA, those buttons do absolutely nothing. I think it's some sort of public morale-booster... y'know, give the "little people" a sense of empowerment.
At large road junctions that is the case ....... but here in the UK we have stand alone predestrian controlled crossings where you push the button and wait a short time for the traffic to be stopped.
CLICKY
As Paul has stated it can be extremely annoying when someone presses the button but doesn't cross.
That's just another annoying thing the poor old motorist has to put up with. There's so many different types of pedestrian crossings these days it's no wonder I get confused when in my pedestrian mode. I'm not sure why this should be necessary & I've never heard of some of them. It's not clear on some types I've used when it's actually safe to cross the road.
http://www.bournemouth.gov.uk/Residents/roads/rnm/Pedestrian_Crossings.asp
When complaining about all this most people tend to forget that motorists are also pedestrians so they should be able to see it from both sides.
PS. I'm not sure how those push buttons work but assume they operate a simple time switch. If this is the case I have to wonder if those people who like continually pressing the button to make the lights change more quickly are having the opposite effect to that intended. 'Tis a funny old world & no mistake.
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eno wrote
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th
, 2009 at 5:49am:
As mentioned in the artical that Hagar has posted, France only adopted the yield on entry for roundabouts in 1983, prior to this rule the scariest junction I've ever experienced is
The Arch de Triumph
in Paris. This managed to scare the pants off a coach driver of 30 years experience.... and knowing the French it probably still would, as their idea of following road rules is rather loose, combine this with the fact that it is a major tourist attraction and it is complete chaos.
India is well renouned as one of the most dangerous places to drive you not only have to watch out for other drivers and predestrians but cows are free to wander anywhere. This makes any junction there extreme.
Seems the North Koreans quite liked it as a traffic management system....
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