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Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 4:42pm

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150 Miles:
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/northwest-airlines-pilots-miss-airport-150-miles/st...

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This here just amazed me.

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Reply #1 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 5:24pm

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After being out radio contact for an hour and a half, I'm surprised they didn't send a fighter to intercept it.

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Reply #2 - Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 12:41am

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specter177 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 5:24pm:

After being out radio contact for an hour and a half, I'm surprised they didn't send a fighter to intercept it.

My thoughts also which is why I think there is A LOT of media hype in this story.

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Reply #3 - Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 4:41am

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expat wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 12:41am:

specter177 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 5:24pm:

After being out radio contact for an hour and a half, I'm surprised they didn't send a fighter to intercept it.

My thoughts also which is why I think there is A LOT of media hype in this story.

Matt

i think you may be right. you would think after 1:30 hors they wouls send a F-16 or a F-15 or something to see whats going on i dont want to say it but the attacks didnt learn them anything?

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Reply #4 - Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 4:50pm

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Here is an update of the situation I found.
http://wcco.com/travel/flight.overshoots.airport.2.1266320.html
incase link does not work
http://wcco.com/travel/flight.overshoots.airport.2.1266320.html

Apparently the recorder could only hold 30 minutes, the FBI and National Guard were ready with jets about to prepare for any action.

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Reply #5 - Oct 24^th, 2009 at 12:27am

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They said they were having a heated argument about airline policy. I would like to know what that entailed, lol. I bet they fell asleep. I also wonder how much gas they had left on landing?

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Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2009 at 1:48pm

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The Pilot says he was not napping nor fighting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/ap_on_bi_ge/us_northwest_airport_overflown

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Reply #7 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 2:12pm

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I'm trying to use all sorts of scenarios and find imaginative excuses how in the heck those NWA pilots manage to overshoot their destination. Can anyone list some reasonable possibilities> Further, for over an hour, not one, in the plane or on the ground had any inclination that the aircraft has just flown by without stopping? Someone on board (stewardesses and passengers) with their cell phones ever tried to contact someone? As one contributor asked, how long does it before the Air Force are able to scramble fighters -an hour? Where's the FAA in on this? If no one can up with a logical reason, can this haen again?

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Reply #8 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 4:13pm

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Ok folks, lets work this stuff out.

If you look up the flight on flightaware, you will see they were only 30 minutes late. You must remember this aircraft is traveling at 450-500 mph, so 150 miles only takes 15-20 minutes. From what I've read, the Air Force was standing by to scramble while ATC was trying to sort out what was going on. Aircraft losing contact with ATC happens frequently, just listen to Center from time to time. Granted, I'm surprised it was allowed to go on this long, but you are looking at about 30 minutes from loss of contact to reacquistion. I do suspect there will be an opening or two at NW soon though.

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Reply #9 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 4:50pm

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DaveSims wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 4:13pm:

Ok folks, lets work this stuff out.

If you look up the flight on flightaware, you will see they were only 30 minutes late. You must remember this aircraft is traveling at 450-500 mph, so 150 miles only takes 15-20 minutes. From what I've read, the Air Force was standing by to scramble while ATC was trying to sort out what was going on. Aircraft losing contact with ATC happens frequently, just listen to Center from time to time. Granted, I'm surprised it was allowed to go on this long, but you are looking at about 30 minutes from loss of contact to reacquistion. I do suspect there will be an opening or two at NW soon though.

I really hope so, from reports I have seen on tv, they tried contacting by radio, secondary radios, texting and calling the cellphones them selves. So that means something was up, and If i remember I seen a interview on youtube with Richard, one of the pilots, and he said something along the lines of no sleeping or anything was going along bewteen the two pilots.

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Reply #10 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 5:06pm

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New article today, the NTSB is reporting the pilots admitted to being on their laptop computers. The first officer was showing the captain how the airlines scheduling system works, at least according to reports. I still can't believe they missed all the radio calls, plus not noticing they were overflying their destination. Being asleep would have been a better excuse.

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Reply #11 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 7:37pm

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I can see if the flight was transitting at 37K feet whereby there may be time to do some extra curricular activity. But the aircraft was in a process of landing so shouldn't the cockpit crew be on extra alert in prep for landing and have all their attention focused accordingly? Thirty minutes is a long time. It took the Al-Qaeda people less time to cause massive destruction in New York. For the Air Force, they should review their response time.

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Reply #12 - Oct 26^th, 2009 at 7:45pm

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Bubblehead wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 7:37pm:

I can see if the flight was transitting at 37K feet whereby there may be time to do some extra curricular activity. But the aircraft was in a process of landing so shouldn't the cockpit crew be on extra alert in prep for landing and have all their attention focused accordingly? Thirty minutes is a long time. It took the Al-Qaeda people less time to cause massive destruction in New York. For the Air Force, they should review their response time.

I would suspect the Air Force (or Air National Guard in this case) was waiting for the aircraft to make a threatening move. As it was, it was heading towards no where. Believe me, if an F-15 or F-16 squadron had to scramble, they would have been in missile range in just minutes.

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Reply #13 - Oct 27^th, 2009 at 2:14am

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DaveSims wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 5:06pm:

New article today, the NTSB is reporting the pilots admitted to being on their laptop computers. The first officer was showing the captain how the airlines scheduling system works, at least according to reports. I still can't believe they missed all the radio calls, plus not noticing they were overflying their destination. Being asleep would have been a better excuse.

I think this is probably a half-truth. Instead of looking at scheduling on their laptops they were probably flying FS. Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Oct 27^th, 2009 at 10:35am

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Well if I was flying all you guys and I feel asleep 150 miles past the airport then told the FAA I wasnt sleeping or fighting I guess ill be off the hook then. Roll Eyes

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