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Oct 20th, 2009 at 2:15pm

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Simple question really.
Jenson is ready to start his contract talks with Brawn Gp. Now if you were in his place what do you do?
Its become clear the Brawn car has dropped off from the start of the season. They do not have the time and money backing that they had last year from Honda. So why would Jenson as a world champion not want to look elsewhere?
Ferrari and Mclaren have been by the numbers the two highest scoring cars in the 2nd half of the season, Mclaren started from scratch and built their new car with the plan to develop for next year. Ferrari gave up on this years car a while back and started again for next year, so you have to believe those two teams will be strong again.
Jenson might want to keep his eye on the second seat at Mclaren, Kimi is still no where near being signed up and I'm sure Mclaren would love an all british line up made up of the previous two champions, plus they keep the 1 on their car.
There is also Toyota, Renault and possibly a red bull seat, (webber is apparently not safe if a big name were to become an option) All those teams have shown they are capable of fighting at the front.
Brawn needs to hope he has a big cheque book or a generous sponsor, or else he's going to be left with Nico Rosberg and an empty second seat, in a car that wont start next season with a 2 second a lap advantage.
 
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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 3:07am

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Jenson has already made it clear that he want's to stay at Brawn. The problem is Brawn haven't made it clear they want him. Considering that Jenson has paid for most of his own flights this season it looks like Brawn probably can't afford him now he can command a premium salary.

Having said that, with Jenson on board Brawn should be able to attract major sponsors, keep Barichello in the mix and you have  1 and 2 on the cars which makes them even more attractive.
 

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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 6:28am

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eno wrote on Oct 21st, 2009 at 3:07am:
Jenson has already made it clear that he want's to stay at Brawn. The problem is Brawn haven't made it clear they want him. Considering that Jenson has paid for most of his own flights this season it looks like Brawn probably can't afford him now he can command a premium salary.

Having said that, with Jenson on board Brawn should be able to attract major sponsors, keep Barichello in the mix and you have  1 and 2 on the cars which makes them even more attractive.


Hasn't Ruben's all but signed for Williams? Could all depend a lot on where Mercedes want Nico Rosberg to go. Smiley
 
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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 6:47am

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Nico and Rubens have done a straight swap.
Its just gotta be rubber stamped at the end of the season
 
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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 12:43pm

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eno wrote on Oct 21st, 2009 at 3:07am:
Considering that Jenson has paid for most of his own flights this season


Not so may years ago, the only people who got flight tickets paid for was the "team". Drivers always paid their own travel costs, after all they are paid many times the collective wages of the an entire F1 team (I say team loosely, drivers come and go, a team stays for the long run).

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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 1:54pm

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that and the fact half the drivers have their own aircraft. Cheesy
 
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Reply #6 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 12:07pm

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Well it seems that McLaren have approached Jenson.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8322334.stm
 

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Reply #7 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 12:26pm

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eno wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 12:07pm:
Well it seems that McLaren have approached Jenson.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8322334.stm

Maybe i secretly work in Woking Wink Grin
Or maybe not Cheesy Cheesy
 
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Reply #8 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 2:35pm

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eno wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 12:07pm:
Well it seems that McLaren have approached Jenson.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8322334.stm


Could be an interesting move for Mercedes, perhaps ensuring a better deal for Brawn, and reducing the damage recently done in their partnership with McLaren by giving them a chance to sign JB - a very rare opportunity to have the two most recent champions in one team.

Of course then Merc place their driver (Rosberg) as number 1 in with what may be the better team next year.
 
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Reply #9 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 3:01pm

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Brawn wont be the better team. Mclaren passed them a while back and I dont see Brawn having the money to keep up with them. This is why Jenson wants the money now.
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 3:12pm

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Craig. wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 3:01pm:
Brawn wont be the better team. Mclaren passed them a while back and I dont see Brawn having the money to keep up with them. This is why Jenson wants the money now.


I agree entirely. Much as it'd be nice to see him stay at Brawn, I don't think he could be blamed for looking elsewhere. Smiley
 
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Reply #11 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 6:06pm
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It would be the dream team for me, being a bit patriotic and all... Two British drivers in a British team.

All they need is a British engine...

OK, scrap that last one  Grin
 
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Reply #12 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 6:08pm

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Maybe they could adapt the Rover V8 Lips Sealed Grin
 
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Reply #13 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 7:20pm

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All they need is a British engine..


Well, the Mercedes F1 engine is essentially British in all but name, seeing as Mercedes High Performance Engines are based in Brixworth, Northamptonshire, and of course used to be better known as Ilmor. Smiley
 
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Reply #14 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 8:24pm

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Craig. wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 2:15pm:
Simple question really.
Jenson is ready to start his contract talks with Brawn Gp. Now if you were in his place what do you do?


Get a story seriously linking you with a major rival team in all the major press, then ask the relevant people in your current team if they'd like to sit down and have a chat... Smiley
 
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Reply #15 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:27pm

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I think he might be a bit careful of McLaren. Look at Hamilton last year compared to this season. He was the world champion and then he and the car had a really bad patch.

Jenson is a good driver with a good team with a great car. I don't think he would want to give it all up after just reaching world champion because another team doesn't work as well as Brawn have shown that they do. If he joined a different team such as McLaren, the car might not suit him right (or be horribly set up) and it could cost him.


I'd like him to stay with Brawn. I'm sure him and the team will get a load of funding now that they are best. Sponsors will want a piece of it if he stays consistently good.
 

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Reply #16 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 8:33am

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machineman9 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:27pm:
I think he might be a bit careful of McLaren. Look at Hamilton last year compared to this season. He was the world champion and then he and the car had a really bad patch.


That was easily explained though. Honda started designing the BGP001 (Honda RA109 at the end of the 2007 season, as they admitted writing off 2008 very very early as the RA108 was, like the RA107, a bit of a dog. In fact, it was worse!). McLaren throughout the second half of 2008 had to focus on the Lewis beating Massa, so development of the 2009 car took a back seat, and consequently was quite poor until later in the season. I suspect their 2010 car's been on the drawing board since the beginning of the year. Smiley
 
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Reply #17 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 8:54am

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Mclarens 2010 car has as you said been on the drawing board for a while, but they switched focus to it after the british gp disaster. What they've been driving since then is basically a 2009/10 hybrid. Thats why they now have two versions, a short wheelbase and long wheelbase, that they first tried in valencia. The idea being when the 2010 tyres are released for testing alongside the new large fuel tanks, the team would at least have an idea of how the car reacts. All credit to them its worked and even helped them this year. Just look at Ferrari, they decided after Hungary that this years car was done, but have gone the opposite route to Mclaren, and are relying on their computer and wind tunnel data to be correct. They've tested bits a bob's on a friday but otherwise they're trying the 2005 approach. Leave the drivers to suffer for the season with a dog of a car and give them something to look forward to next year.
In all credit to Kimi, both Badoer and Fisi are proving just how tough a car the F60 is. The work rate in the cockpit is probably the highest of all the cars for buttons, levers and switches needed per lap.
Brawn even if they have the money no longer have the resources and man power that Honda provided in designing and building the Brawn car.
I will never doubt Ross Brawn, but its quite obvious they wont have a car that for the first half of the season could win in reverse.  Cheesy
That will make Jenson think simple as. I dont see him going to Mclaren really, I think its just internal whispers to get Kimi to sign up quickly. Plus Lewis doesn't cope to well with champion team mate. Wink
 
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Reply #18 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 9:44am

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Craig. wrote on Oct 24th, 2009 at 8:54am:
That will make Jenson think simple as. I dont see him going to Mclaren really, I think its just internal whispers to get Kimi to sign up quickly. Plus Lewis doesn't cope to well with champion team mate. Wink


I suspect the whispers may have come from more than one place to be fair. Both McLaren and Button potentially could benefit from the link. Having said that, are McLaren that desperate for Kimi, as I doubt they'd be willing/need to pay what Toyota can probably afford to offer.
 
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Reply #19 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 10:14am

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Kimi is being paid more by Ferrari next year than Button will likely get for a multi year contract. I dont think he is too bothered about money. Wink
Kimi said himself he wants a car capable of fighting for wins and the title. Toyota wont be providing that if history repeats itself. Cheesy
 
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Reply #20 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 11:18am

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Craig. wrote on Oct 24th, 2009 at 10:14am:
I dont think he is too bothered about money. Wink


Think of a word that rhymes with "rollocks"... Grin
 
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Reply #21 - Oct 24th, 2009 at 11:32am

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C wrote on Oct 24th, 2009 at 11:18am:
Craig. wrote on Oct 24th, 2009 at 10:14am:
I dont think he is too bothered about money. Wink


Think of a word that rhymes with "rollocks"... Grin

By the end of next year Kimi will have picked up I believe close to $50 million from those generous Italians, for 3 years work. Add in the endorsements and the fact he's done all he wanted to do in F1. Money I honestly think, is not the most important factor. He's even considering rally, in a lower level car. He wont get much for that.
I cant argue that, if Toyota said, here's $60 million to drive for us for a few years, he wouldn't give it serious thought. But I think if Mclaren offered less money but a better chance at the world title, he'd be in a silver car next year.
 
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