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Oct 18^th, 2009 at 6:47pm

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To start, no I dont want these aircraft for the flightsim, I'm just curious. So what aircraft have low wing, Fixed gear, constant speed prop and are non-composite(i.e. Cirrus's)? I already know 1/3 of Beech Musketeers, the TB10, and Piper 235/236's do. What else? thanks!

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Reply #1 - Oct 18^th, 2009 at 7:18pm

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Cessna 182 and 206s I believe. Plus I think some of the early Cessna 210s were fixed gear.

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Reply #2 - Oct 18^th, 2009 at 7:30pm

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Whoops, Forgot to add low wing

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Reply #3 - Oct 19^th, 2009 at 1:38am

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Grumman has a couple I think.

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Reply #4 - Oct 20^th, 2009 at 5:15pm

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Nope Grummans have fixed pitch... Okay a better question, why is it that so few low-wing aircraft have fixed gear and a CS prop? Any theories?

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Reply #5 - Oct 20^th, 2009 at 7:30pm

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Since the idea of better performance from a CS prop conflicts with fixed gear..I think a better question would be : Why does Cessna make so many airplanes with a CS prop and fixed gear ?

The answer is of course, that their "tuck big sticks into the belly", retractable system never got the bugs worked out of it.

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Reply #6 - Oct 20^th, 2009 at 7:42pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Oct 20^th, 2009 at 7:30pm:

The answer is of course, that their "tuck big sticks into the belly", retractable system never got the bugs worked out of it.

That and the fact that most fixed gear Cessnas with equivalent horsepower will outperform the 'gear up' competition.

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Reply #7 - Oct 20^th, 2009 at 7:59pm

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Retractable gear aircraft are inherently complex. There is a saying in aviation, "It is not a question of if a pilot will land gear up, but when." The also add weight, which usually outweighs whatever aerodynamic drag you save on small, slow aircraft. CS props don't really add a whole lot of performance, mainly they are more efficient.

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Reply #8 - Oct 20^th, 2009 at 9:33pm

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specter177 wrote on Oct 20^th, 2009 at 7:59pm:

Retractable gear aircraft are inherently complex. There is a saying in aviation, "It is not a question of if a pilot will land gear up, but when." The also add weight, which usually outweighs whatever aerodynamic drag you save on small, slow aircraft. CS props don't really add a whole lot of performance, mainly they are more efficient.

Actually they add quite a bit of performance across the flight profile. Granted, up against a fixed-pitch cruise-prop, the best they can hope for is coming within a few knots of delivering top-speed.. but up against that cruise-prop they out perform it substancially during a takeoff and climb... and out perform all other props during all parts of a flight.

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That and the fact that most fixed gear Cessnas with equivalent horsepower will outperform the 'gear up' competition.

I've found that to be true also Cool

And the Cessnas I've flown that were retracts.. the gear-up performance is astounding ..

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