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Oct 13th, 2009 at 2:51pm

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I'm just wondering, what are the British rules around how fast you can get a driving license? As in, from the day you turn 17 (with a provisional license) to getting the full license which will allow you to drive on your own.

How fast can it be done? Including tests, etc.


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Reply #1 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 3:16pm

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In theory you could get it on your 17th bday
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 3:36pm

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You'd be able to get enough experience in before then? Are the rules that you can't drive until you're 17, or that you can't drive until you have your provisional? I can't see any other way, besides going on private property, to get sufficient experience and be good enough to pass on day 1.
 

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Reply #3 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 3:58pm

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It all comes down to several things.
Speed you can pick up and remember the requirements.
Confidence
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There is no minimum time limit. Its all about when your ready.
I would book your theory now though, as I believe most places unless you do intensive course, have at least 6 weeks of waiting. Then its a couple of months unless you get a cancelation slot for your practical.
 
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Reply #4 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 4:01pm

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These are the rules. http://www.yourdrivinglicence.co.uk/rules-learner-drivers.html

In theory you could practice as much as you like on private property, apply for your provisional licence 3 months before your 17th birthday & take the theory & practical tests on your birthday. I'm not sure if anyone has actually done that. Like any other sort of skill a lot will depend on your aptitude. Some people pass after very few lessons while others might take years. If you can afford it the best idea might be to take a concentrated course of lessons.

Things have changed a lot since I took my driving test but it was unusual for a boy to pass first time in those days. I passed at the second attempt.

eno would be the best person to answer this as I believe he's a test examiner.
 

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Reply #5 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:06am

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I was training to be an instructor.

You could, in theory, as Craig said do everything on your 17th birthday. You can drive on private property at any age but can't drive on the road until you have a provisional licence and then only accompanied by someone who meets the criteria to supervise you.
The problem is getting test dates both for the theory and pracitcal tests.

I would suggest that you get started learning the theory and apply for the test as soon as you are allowed to. As for the practical, if you can start to learn on pivate property then do so, even if it is just to get the basics of starting, stopping and changing gear and direction. I would also take Hagar's reccomendation of doing an intensive course but  with one of the more established driving schools rather than a local one man operation. This applies even if you can get plenty of practice in someone else's car between lessons.
The benefits of an intensive course is that you won't develop bad habits between lessons and then spend half a lesson getting rid of something that you have developed in the last week between the lessons. Take a trial lesson with one of the big established schools (BSM, AA, LDC) they will give you an honest appraisal of how many lessons you should need before your test. If you go with one of them they will plan your training so that you will be ready at the time of your test, and may offer cut price top ups if you fail.
I would also suggest that after you pass you do the Pass Plus course to give you more varied experience and a motorway lesson.
 

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Reply #6 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 11:52am

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Sounds like some good advice there, everyone. Thank you.

Is it being 17 that allows me to drive on roads, or just having the provisional? The provisional can come through weeks before ones 17th birthday but must you still wait until you are 17 to go on the roads at all? Or, does being 17 validate the provisional thus allowing you to?
 

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Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 12:21pm

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Is it being 17 that allows me to drive on roads, or just having the provisional? The provisional can come through weeks before ones 17th birthday but must you still wait until you are 17 to go on the roads at all? Or, does being 17 validate the provisional thus allowing you to?

You must be 17 before driving a car on public roads in the UK.
 

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Reply #8 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 3:32pm

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If your really desperate, several motor racing circuits offer courses on their track and car parks before you turn 17.
 
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Reply #9 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 3:55pm

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Hagar wrote on Oct 14th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
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Is it being 17 that allows me to drive on roads, or just having the provisional? The provisional can come through weeks before ones 17th birthday but must you still wait until you are 17 to go on the roads at all? Or, does being 17 validate the provisional thus allowing you to?

You must be 17 before driving a car on public roads in the UK.


Not strictly true...... If you are registered disabled you can get a full licence at the age of 16.
 

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Reply #10 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 3:56pm

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eno wrote on Oct 14th, 2009 at 3:55pm:
Hagar wrote on Oct 14th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
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Is it being 17 that allows me to drive on roads, or just having the provisional? The provisional can come through weeks before ones 17th birthday but must you still wait until you are 17 to go on the roads at all? Or, does being 17 validate the provisional thus allowing you to?

You must be 17 before driving a car on public roads in the UK.


Not strictly true...... If you are registered disabled you can get a full licence at the age of 16.

machineman is not disabled. Tongue
 

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Reply #11 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:13pm

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And lets hope I don't ever become disabled either.

Where else would class as private property, suitable to drive on legally below 17? I don't think there are any test tracks near to me
 

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Reply #12 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:16pm

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oulton park is just down the road from you  Wink Wink
 
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Reply #13 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:21pm
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eno wrote on Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:06am:
I would also suggest that after you pass you do the Pass Plus course to give you more varied experience and a motorway lesson.


I'll second that, purely from personal experience.

The very first time I drove on a motorway, the day after passing my test, I exited on the sliproad and nearly rear ended a car at the roundabout at the end... I had no concept of how fast 70mph was. I'm sure the fact it was an uphill sliproad was the only reason it didn't end in tears.
 
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Reply #14 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:47pm

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Goodness, Oulton Park is just down the road.

Nice one  Wink
 

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Reply #15 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:54pm

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machineman9 wrote on Oct 14th, 2009 at 4:47pm:
Goodness, Oulton Park is just down the road.

Nice one  Wink

Check this out. http://www.msvdrivinggifts.com/youngdrive!.aspx

All this could turn out expensive. Ideally you need a friend or relative to give you a few lessons in their car on a piece of private land. Unless you have plenty of money it might be better to wait & save up for a proper course of lessons when you reach 17.
 

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Reply #16 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 5:15pm

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Yeah... For the cost and what you actually get, it seems like you are only guaranteed half a lesson when you are paying for the price of more like 2 or 3 lessons atleast.

What about land just to simply take your own car along to and practise there? Would places such as Oulton park still allow this? So, being in a parent's car, driving on their property and learning that way. Or are there places just like that I could use?
 

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Reply #17 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 5:23pm

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As far as tracks go, you'd be looking at a track day which A: is even more expensive and B: you need to be a license holder.
If you know anyone who is fairly high up on an military airbase that has no movements, you can get away with driving around the perimeter roads. It happend a lot at Middle Wallop. Lips Sealed
Otherwise its things like Farm land, large estates and so on.
If its a public road your not legally allowed.
 
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Reply #18 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 5:31pm

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To be honest I think you're being a tad hasty. Are there any special reasons why you're in such a hurry or is it just the impatience of the young? Have you thought about what happens when you pass the test? Can you afford to own & run a car?
 

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Reply #19 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 1:49pm

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CVs are around the place at the moment and I have some funding set aside.

I only think it would be cheaper for lessons to gain some experience beforehand... If I already know some of the skills then it isn't so much learning them as improving them. I'd also like to get on the road sooner, ensuring those CVs get me a job, and be driving soon after my 17th. I've got a few dates lined up a few weeks after my birthday which I'd like to drive to myself.

I don't really care for the whole 'pass the test as quick as you can and then go and whizz around in cars' approach as it is stupid and dangerous. I prefer the 'get it done, be experienced, be safe' approach. I think that having extra hours experience (which will not cost me, or at the very least just fuel) is worthwhile.

I know my mother has already said I can use her car when the instructor says I am capable enough to do so on the roads as a learner, but that is during tuition and I'd like some experience before lessons start at all. I know full well that the instructor's words should be followed at all times, but it might help progression if I can start up, not stall and get around a bit on my own steam. Anticipating the power of brakes, gear changing, etc, would just be more experience and I think it would help the learning side of things go better, faster and cheaper.
 

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Reply #20 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 4:24pm

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I'll tell you where then.
Car parks. I take a friend of mine out on a sunday evening to a local industrial park car park after the stores are all shut. The place is wide open and empty. It's the best chance you'll have I think, but your just driving round in circles. But It's in my case gotten their confidence up a lot and ready to take lessons.
 
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Reply #21 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 5:14pm

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Would car parks only be acceptable for people with a provisional and all that jazz, or do they properly count as off the road and legal?

White lines are certainly better for practising 3 point turns than in an area with lamp posts and people.
 

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Reply #22 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 5:20pm

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the person I was letting drive didn't have a license, I specifically made sure there were no cars about, no people and that they didn't drive stupidly. It was all done by the book. If a car did come into the carpark, I made sure we were pulled right over to the side and stopped so nothing could happen, and we didn't move off again until the other car was gone.
Do they count as properly off the road? Yes, these car parks are privately owned. Legal? Not so much, if you have an accident and your not insured on the vehicle your driving, then you just have to hope there are no cameras or people around to see what happend. If you just do what we did, and drive around at slow speeds, no faster than 25mph, and stay well clear of the buildings and so on, you'd be fine. Lots of people do it. The key is finding the right car park that will be empty thats all.
 
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Reply #23 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 5:21pm

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I thought I'd get a licence really quickly when I was 17 and start driving myself to airshows.....then life got in the way.....I got out quite a bit with my mum to car parks and local roads but haven't had many proper lessons and I'm nearly 18. I have so much other stuff going on that driving just isn't a priority at the moment....I'll happily take the bus or train (you can fall asleep....and look out the window....and watch videos on your iPod Tongue)

I'd slow down and see what happens....I'm determined to pass before Uni, but there's a massive summer holiday for that next year Tongue

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Please be careful. According to BSM, supermarket car parks are classed as public roads. I assume this applies to any car park on a trading estate. http://www.bsm.co.uk/learner-drivers/getting-started/essentials
 

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Hagar wrote on Oct 15th, 2009 at 5:21pm:
Please be careful. According to BSM, supermarket car parks are classed as public roads. I assume this applies to any car park on a trading estate. http://www.bsm.co.uk/learner-drivers/getting-started/essentials

See thats interesting, and creates several legal questions.
for instance my works car park has signs up saying it is private property and claims as such they can ticket cars using it for too long using their own companies and such. Huh
 
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Craig. wrote on Oct 15th, 2009 at 5:38pm:
Hagar wrote on Oct 15th, 2009 at 5:21pm:
Please be careful. According to BSM, supermarket car parks are classed as public roads. I assume this applies to any car park on a trading estate. http://www.bsm.co.uk/learner-drivers/getting-started/essentials

See thats interesting, and creates several legal questions.
for instance my works car park has signs up saying it is private property and claims as such they can ticket cars using it for too long using their own companies and such. Huh

Quite but that doesn't help if you have an accident or hit someone. I'm not sure of the legal position on this but if it's private land then it would be wise to get official permission before using it. That might be difficult with the constant fear of being sued over the tiniest little thing.

We used to have big problems with boy racers tearing around a trading estate near me all night. Since then I think supermarkets do all they can to deter people from using their car parks when they're closed.
 

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Reply #27 - Oct 16th, 2009 at 11:31am

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So BSM say it must be gated. I am guessing it pretty much means on the land your house is on, or as close as this as possible. And using someone elses land of course requires their permission.

I shall have to think about that one then. Very few people I know have a gate of any kind, even fewer have a gate and anything larger than a drive way to park their cars on.
 

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Reply #28 - Oct 16th, 2009 at 12:08pm

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Even driving on private property it is wise to be insured as any accidents could be potentially costly. Of course anyone driving a car without a provisional licence would not be covered by insurance ...... anyone driving a car with a provisional licence even if the car is insured needs to be named on the insurance.
Craig ... you will find your insurance is not valid with your unlicenced friend driving, even on the carparks you are using.
 

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I am fully aware of it. They are licensed with a provisional now, but I'm still more than aware of the naughtyness of it. Wink
 
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Even if you find a suitable parking lot, stay away from street racing areas as these are often swarming with police.

And take the motorway supplement. i dont know which joker came up with the idea of splitting driving lessons and motorway driving, but its a totally different world compared to city driving. Just hope that you have a instruction car with enough power, or it will be a sweaty palms experience.

You have any idea about what you want to drive? Learning in an instruction vehicle that matches the size and performance of your planned vehicle makes the transition a bit easier. In Holland instruction vehicles are usually gutless VW Golfs...
 

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