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Oct 2nd, 2009 at 3:58pm

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Well according to my local paper as a result of colgan 3407 necesary flight hours will most likely increase from 250 hours to 1500!  What costs $100k will now cost nearly $300k to be a commercial pilot.  Some of my local friends are already planning to protest this bill. Angry
 


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Reply #1 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 4:31pm

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A 6X increase in hours, would be a 6X increase in cost. Making it a rich mans game and not worth pursueing to get your investment back in one lifetime. Using your example of $100,000, would actually increase to $600,000!
 

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Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 5:40pm

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skoker wrote on Oct 2nd, 2009 at 3:58pm:
Well according to my local paper as a result of colgan 3407 necesary flight hours will most likely increase from 250 hours to 1500!  What costs $100k will now cost nearly $300k to be a commercial pilot.  Some of my local friends are already planning to protest this bill. Angry


I would question that source to find out the truth.  If that is the NTSB recommendation, that doesn't mean the FAA will do it.  Plus I highly doubt the hours just to get a commercial license will increase that much.  Maybe an ATP, but not a simple commercial.
 
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Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 6:37pm

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That does seem like a pretty big leap up. What's the backing on that idea?
 

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Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 6:45pm

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DaveSims wrote on Oct 2nd, 2009 at 5:40pm:
skoker wrote on Oct 2nd, 2009 at 3:58pm:
Well according to my local paper as a result of colgan 3407 necesary flight hours will most likely increase from 250 hours to 1500!  What costs $100k will now cost nearly $300k to be a commercial pilot.  Some of my local friends are already planning to protest this bill. Angry


I would question that source to find out the truth.  If that is the NTSB recommendation, that doesn't mean the FAA will do it.  Plus I highly doubt the hours just to get a commercial license will increase that much.  Maybe an ATP, but not a simple commercial. 

This is to get into the airlines.  Not just a simple single engine, commercial, I-can-fly-my-friend licence.  Its for minimum regional licence
 


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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 7:50pm

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I saw a report somewhere that said the only thing that correlates to a change in accident statistics is when a pilot started flying, as in, the early the pilot started, the lower the chance of an accident. The report said that all other variables (total time, aircraft type, license type, age) did not correlate directly in the way that "starting to fly" did. I hope that made some sense.
 

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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 8:51pm

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Embry was mentioned in the article.

"Mica has been under preassure from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University - a widly respected aviation school in his district - to ease the 1,500 hour requirement."
 


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Reply #7 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 10:18pm

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Honestly, 1500 hours used to not even get you an interview with the regionals.  Most guys either built time flying charter, cargo, or military to get those hours.  No one expected you to pay for the time yourself.  Most guys I know paid for their commercial and multi, then found jobs flyin Barons, Senecas, or other twins for charter or cargo ops until they had enough time to get an interview.
 
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Reply #8 - Oct 2nd, 2009 at 10:19pm

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I should add, even now you have to have at least 500 hours total and usually 100 hours multi to interview with a regional and have a shot at getting hired.
 
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Reply #9 - Oct 3rd, 2009 at 5:32am

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Well i'm not sure but is that in Australia as well?? If so my life is screwed LOL Grin Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cry Cry Cry Cry
 

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Reply #10 - Oct 3rd, 2009 at 8:41am

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Layne. wrote on Oct 3rd, 2009 at 5:32am:
Well i'm not sure but is that in Australia as well?? If so my life is screwed LOL Grin Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cry Cry Cry Cry


US, probably wouldn't affect you.
 
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Reply #11 - Oct 3rd, 2009 at 6:05pm

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Reply #12 - Oct 3rd, 2009 at 9:42pm

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Reply #13 - Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:42pm

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weve had interviews for what we wanna do and corurse selections for next year and the guy said to me what do you wanna do.

I go i wanna be a pilot either in airforce or commercial and he goes well what if you dont make it, i go well im f##### then arnt i Cheesy
 

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Reply #14 - Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:49pm

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Leigh wrote on Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:42pm:
weve had interviews for what we wanna do and corurse selections for next year and the guy said to me what do you wanna do.

I go i wanna be a pilot either in airforce or commercial and he goes well what if you dont make it, i go well im f##### then arnt i Cheesy


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Reply #15 - Oct 4th, 2009 at 12:06am

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DaveSims wrote on Oct 3rd, 2009 at 9:42pm:

go search embry on buffalonews.com
 


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Reply #16 - Oct 4th, 2009 at 12:48am

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Mazza wrote on Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:49pm:
Leigh wrote on Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:42pm:
weve had interviews for what we wanna do and corurse selections for next year and the guy said to me what do you wanna do.

I go i wanna be a pilot either in airforce or commercial and he goes well what if you dont make it, i go well im f##### then arnt i Cheesy


Pilot for RAAF, one of my goals to! But need to get a least a 75 on finals to get into ADFA (Australian Defence Force Academy) Or If I don't get THAT far I'm looking at Armament Tech  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy 


well i didnt know that Cheesy

our guy wasnt to helpful

but well it should be fairley easy to get above that well doing
Methods
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Woodwork (bludge)
History
Physics Cheesy

that should keep me busy for a while next year
 

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Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2009 at 2:36am

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yeah i am already doing lots of crap for next year when i start VCE in Year11  so i can get into the Air Force Grin

ADFA is going to kill me  Embarrassed
 

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Reply #18 - Oct 4th, 2009 at 5:46am

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if your school is anything like my school in year 11 you do stuff all Cheesy its fun but hard because you need to remember that you might need it for next year

also the marks dont get givn to the gov. unlike in year 12  Embarrassed
 

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Reply #19 - Oct 9th, 2009 at 8:30pm

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http://www.buffalonews.com/520/story/748567.html?imw=Y

Here is the article...
Arent there diffrent route's you can just take to become a pilot..

My first plan was after college to join the Navy and become a pilot then if I wanted to make my way into commercial I would but after this bill all the Navy pilots that are doing that would have to fly 1500 hours?  Huh Angry

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"We all agree that we cannot have planes falling out of the sky," Mica said.
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Reply #20 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 11:21pm

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These 'lawmakers' don't seem to be familiar with the process required to become an airline pilot.

250 hours is just the minimum requirement to apply for the Commercial rating. How often do the airlines hire pilots with less than 300 hours?
 
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Reply #21 - Oct 11th, 2009 at 5:04am

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Leigh wrote on Oct 4th, 2009 at 12:48am:
Mazza wrote on Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:49pm:
Leigh wrote on Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:42pm:
weve had interviews for what we wanna do and corurse selections for next year and the guy said to me what do you wanna do.

I go i wanna be a pilot either in airforce or commercial and he goes well what if you dont make it, i go well im f##### then arnt i Cheesy


Pilot for RAAF, one of my goals to! But need to get a least a 75 on finals to get into ADFA (Australian Defence Force Academy) Or If I don't get THAT far I'm looking at Armament Tech  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy 


well i didnt know that Cheesy

our guy wasnt to helpful

but well it should be fairley easy to get above that well doing
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English
Woodwork (bludge)
History
Physics Cheesy

that should keep me busy for a while next year


Just go to www.defencejobs.gov.au

All the info i got Cheesy
 

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Reply #22 - Oct 11th, 2009 at 6:52am

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ive got sources in the airforce ATM so yer Cheesy
 

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Reply #23 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 6:02am

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skoker wrote on Oct 2nd, 2009 at 3:58pm:
Well according to my local paper as a result of colgan 3407 necesary flight hours will most likely increase from 250 hours to 1500! 


I hope you will forgive my opinion here.

but as someone who has worked for the regionals... it should be 1,500 hours flight time minimum for hiring.

I have seen some of these kids who graduate flight schools with 250 hours total time snatching up these minimum wage flying jobs at places like colgan air and American Eagle... they just dont have the experience and they are just not ready for the job.
 
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Reply #24 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:58am

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The 'Buffalo News' article seems to indicate that the increased hours requirement would be for pilots in a Part 121 operation whereas the Part 135 minimum would remain 250 hours.  In other words, if you want to fly for Regionals or Majors - at least 1500 hours but for instructing or hauling checks, 250 hours - about ten months flying at 150 hrs per month for aspiring four-stripers.
 

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Reply #25 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 11:03pm

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Doesn't really change my plan... Graduate from ERAU with a Bachelor's in Aeronautical Science then get a job flying to build hours.. in any way possible!

Like others have already said, you're not expected to pay for every single one of those hours... If anything, you'll be paid for those hours Wink
 
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Reply #26 - Oct 16th, 2009 at 8:23am

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you wont be paid much.

the job... any job... has to be worth the compensation.

unfortunately, many aviation jobs are not.

you end up putting WAY more in than you get out in return.

This bill being passed can only be a good thing
 
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Reply #27 - Oct 16th, 2009 at 9:44am

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No airline hires people at 250 hours.  That is just to get your commercial certificate, it doesn't mean you can fly for commercial airlines.  In this case "commercial" simply means you can be compensated for your time as a pilot.  Air carriers operating under part 135 won't hire anyone without an air transport certificate, which requires 1200 hours.  So an increase to 1500 hours isn't that much, especially if you are building time being paid to flight instruct or fly airmed.
 

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Reply #28 - Oct 16th, 2009 at 11:37am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Oct 16th, 2009 at 9:44am:
No airline hires people at 250 hours.


In mid to late 2008, American Eagle Airlines hired a pilot applicant who had approximately 280 hours of total flight time. FACT - i was there.

in fact the average experience level of a majority of the new hires at Colgan Air, American Eagle Airlines, Mesa, and Chitaqua when i was working in the regional airline business -  was about 400-500 hours total flight experience.

trust me man. it happens, these "kids" get hired fresh out of riddle with no coast to coast experience, no hard IFR experience and no experience in the ice... wet behind the ears as they can be... i have watched it happen with my own eyes.

its a dangerous precedent which must be stopped.

 
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Reply #29 - Oct 16th, 2009 at 12:12pm

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RitterKreuz wrote on Oct 16th, 2009 at 8:23am:
you wont be paid much.

the job... any job... has to be worth the compensation.

unfortunately, many aviation jobs are not.

you end up putting WAY more in than you get out in return.

This bill being passed can only be a good thing

I know that. I never said you would paid much Wink

And yes, you do put in more than you get in return, unless you end up as a captain in the long run.
 
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