Simviation Forum - ADVISE PLS. FAA, CFI

Reply #15 - Oct 3^rd, 2009 at 9:26pm

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757200ba wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2009 at 8:37pm:

Its always a pleasure to know "'codors".

250 Hours minimum total flight time experience which includes:
   100 hours powered aircraft
   50 hours in airplanes
   50 hours of cross country flight time
         10 hours of which must be in airplanes

Ah yes, I didn't focus on this... this is definitely a gray area. The FARs are pretty vague on many things.

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Today i spoke with and FAA guy and he told me something interesting.

He also told me that it depends alot, and the FAARS are not very exact when it cames to this kind of cases.

Exactly. It may be negotiable... just make sure that if you are somehow allowed to do this, there is written proof of an approval by the appropriate person (your examiner would be the most likely person). In other words, I think you should find out if there needs to be some notation that some of your XC glider time was put towards your CP requirements. Don't just accept somebody's sign-off without asking about that. I have no idea if some form needs to be filled out or what it might be, but I doubt they can just sign you off for the CP rating without some special notation... if that were the case, your logbook would not match the legal requirements; there would be a conflict there.

If you plan to do anything with that US commercial ticket later, you don't need any controversy about your qualifications...some employer or FAA official saying "wait, your logbook says you had X amount of XC glider time, and only X amount of XC ASEL time... this isn't right, you shouldn't have been allowed to take the CP check ride!"

This is the sort of thing that could haunt you if you ever got into any trouble while flying for hire... even little flaws in the logbook can be used against you in an investigation.

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Reply #16 - Oct 4^th, 2009 at 7:18pm

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Why don't you phone, or drop by, the closest FAA GADO office. This stuff is their bread and butter - put 'em to work

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Reply #17 - Oct 4^th, 2009 at 9:13pm

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This is the sort of thing that could haunt you if you ever got into any trouble while flying for hire... even little flaws in the logbook can be used against you in an investigation.

That's what I was trying to say (without saying it). And the investigation isn't so much the FAA, it's the darn insurance companies. They'll leave no stone un-turned, if it will save them paying a claim. Having JUST enough of a certain time logged; especially if it's there's a question about the type of time it is; is more of a loose end than you'd want, flying for hire.

And CFIs know this. They're the ones who sign off on you before even taking the test... so they could get caught up in an investigation. THEY have to be confident that you're qualified, and not just by hours logged. So you'll probably have to do some flying for their peace of mind.

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Reply #18 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 8:46am

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"Exactly. It may be negotiable... just make sure that if you are somehow allowed to do this, there is written proof of an approval by the appropriate person (your examiner would be the most likely person). "

Thank you for all your replys, you guys help a lot.
To comment your statement (if i got it right Cheesy

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The thing is, i dont need for my cfi to sign (i guess), because i have my Portuguese log book and all my hours are sign and approved, and stamped by (INAC) wich is the guys that regulate all aviation in Portugal.

The only thing i need is to fit them in the US regulations, thing that you guys told me and it was confirmed that are a "bit grey" (i like this expression)

I guess the best option is to go to one of the FAA office and see if they can sort it out.
Many Thanks.

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Reply #19 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 9:16am

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The thing is, i dont need for my cfi to sign (i guess), because i have my Portuguese log book and all my hours are sign and approved, and stamped by (INAC) wich is the guys that regulate all aviation in Portugal.

The signature you need from the CFI, is that in his opinion, you are prepared for the examination. That's the 'sign-off'.

Even if you meet all the qualifications (like hours logged).. you can't just schedule an examiner, and take the test. You have to convince the CFI that you are prepared, before scheduling the examination.

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Reply #20 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 10:55am

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Well i know that.

But before that i need to have all those hours logged and approved.Wich is the all problem.I still have to do lots of things in the comercial.Just to let you know i already made my day and night vfr with 100nm, and i had my first flight on the Arrow.This week i want to take out of the way, my 10 landings at night in a tower controled airport and my 300nm x country flight.So i cant start all the Arrow manouvers.Im trying first to take all 172 hours before i move to the Arrow.I already have the 250 hours (because they told me that the 375 glider hours can be added to my 205 hours (that i already have from my private, instrument rating) towards my commercial requirements) min. that are required(thats why im having all this fight to have my 50 hours X country out of the way too).

250 Hours minimum total flight time experience which includes:
   100 hours powered aircraft
   50 hours in airplanes
   50 hours of cross country flight time
         10 hours of which must be in airplanes

   20 hours of flight training
   10 hours instrument training
      5 hours in single engine airplanes
   10 hours training in complex or turbine

1 daytime cross country VFR flight of at least 2 hours and 100 NM leg length
1 night night time cross country VFR flight of at least 2 hours and 100 NM leg length

3 hours of test prep in a single engine airplane within the preceding
      60 days prior to practical test

10 hours solo flight time (after having attained a Private Pilot Certificate), including:

   1 solo cross country flight of at least 300 NM w/ 3 points one at least one 250 NM leg
   5 hours night solo w/ 10 takes offs & landings at airport w/ operating control tower

Thats why i started this post. Its about my hours, nothing to do with my exame.ofcourse he will only sign me off when im prepared, and have all the requirements.Only when all the requirements are met, is when he will sign me off.i guess the point of the post is going in another direction.
I will explain once again, Brett.

You need min requirements for exam.Hours.I already have my US hours(not enough for the req.) but i have Portuguese hours that need to be add.I need to know if the FAA will approve my X country flight time to my requierements.I guess you didnt understand quite well.Or its me i cant explain to you.

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Reply #21 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 11:30am

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While your list of qualifications seems to meet all requirements, you need a CFI recommendation to take the ride. Any CFI I've known, myself included, is going to require you to demonstrate that you can pass, both paper and flight requirements - this'll require dual flight time 'til he's satisfied. Sort of a practice exam. Even then, part of the check ride will be a review of your log book qualifications so, if they don't meet requirements, you won't fly and your CFI will hear about it. If you do fly and don't satisfy the examiner, your CFI will hear even more.

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Reply #22 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 11:32am

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I guess you didnt understand quite well.Or its me i cant explain to you.

I've understood the question from the first post.. And answered that question regarding the 50nm with a landing answer.

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OK.. I called my mentor... (30,000 hour, ex AirForce pilot.. 20,000 hours as a CFI)..

He said that X-country time used for a ASEL commercial rating needs to be flights that include a landing at an airport at least 50nm away.

I've just been trying to shift the focus from minimum requirements, to the big picture.

It won't matter if the FAA allows you to log all of your glider X-country time, making it fit the requirements, if the CFI isn't satisfied that you're a qualified X-country pilot. He (if he's doing his job), will require you to fly some X-country time for him, before taking the responsibility for signing you off.

Like I said in my first post.. your CFI will make sense of this for you.

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Reply #23 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 1:09pm

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My CFI, is with me since my prvt.He knows what i can do, but thats not the point.You are focusing on the CFI or examiner role, im not.Im way before that.

The point is, for him to sign me off, after i do all the program (part 61), are my min requirements.I still dont have THOSE 50 hours X contry.Ofcourse i can pay for a plane fly to an airport 50nm from my home airport and meet the requirements.And after that he just need check if i made them, add the hours and thats it.The thing is, not to spend all that money on doing X country,when i have this hours .SO i brought my log book, and he saw the total time.Which is good, because it can be add to total time of flight, wich is enough to meet the 250 hours that you need to take the exam.But i also need 50 h X country.The idea was to take my glider Xcountry and add to meet those requirement.But the thing is the diference of the defenition between the US x country and glider Xcountry.ok

I know he as the last word, to sign me off, for exam, and that all the hours will be checked.I dont have any problems or questions about it.BUT THATS NOT THE POINT.

The point is cosidering glider Xcountry hours to meet the 50 Xcountry hours required by the FAA for the comercial exam.

The only thing my CFI wants is to see ( and he is aware of the regs, but there are some things he cant answer)if the FAA will certify those hours and i can add them to my requirement so i dont have to pay all those X country hours, but use the ones i already have.

We are not talking about examiner or CFI competence and what they need to check.Like Rotty said i need to go to a FSDO (old GADO) and see what they can legaly do to certify those hours as Xcountry. Because even the REGS are not very clear, and there might be a way to consider those hours.

Ofcourse he will be the one saying "OK YOU ARE READY"
But is not the one who is going to pay me my hours to meet the requirements.
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Reply #24 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 2:03pm

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OK.. I've gone back over this thread.. seems you have 23 X-coutry hours in an airplane. That means you need 27 more.

Even if you get an FAA person to allow some of your glider hours, it leaves open that loose end that Rotty and I mentioned. I can promise you that if you have an accident; the insurance company for the airplane owner is going use that informatoin to sue you.. and the lawyer for anyone injured will use it too... and you will lose that case.

My advice is to just go out and fly 27 X-country hours and settle it once and for all

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Reply #25 - Oct 5^th, 2009 at 3:50pm

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Before any thing thank you for your time, to give me your explanations and advices, thank you.

Second, im thinking going to FSDO, if they approved my hours, not even the President cant say they are not valid.

Third, "go do the 27 hour$"well ea$ier $aid, than done.

I guess if you were on my shoes, you would probably do the same.

So far the only limitation is the missing landings on my glider X country. If that's the reason i can't use them, im ok with that, even if later i say, "well i could not use them because i made 100nm straight without touching the ground on a glider (not an airplane for some), so they did not approved my x country hours". I can live with that Wink

Above al,l Brett, thank you for your time, and dedication.
Many Thanks

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