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Sep 30th, 2009 at 8:21am

loop_n_roll   Offline
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When I click on the link to Simviation another window with advertising opens at the same time. Is this supposed to happen? Is it a paid ad to help defray costs of the site or am I getting some sort of spam?
 
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Reply #1 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 11:15am
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Welcome to the forums!
To answer your question it's there to pay for the site. Pete has bills to pay! If you wish to use the site without the ads then sign up for Express membership. It costs no more than the equivalent of a can of soft drink per week for a year and will also give you far higher download speeds.

It really is good value, especially if you download a lot from SimV.

Smiley

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Reply #2 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 12:29pm

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You know that ex-mods don't get payments, just favours Rob Wink Grin
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 1:29pm
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...you could also just use some specific addons with Firefox to take care of that problem.... *hides*
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 2:00pm

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...you could also just use some specific addons with Firefox to take care of that problem.... *hides*


A vote against Simviation's existence ...  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 2:03pm

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...you could also just use some specific addons with Firefox to take care of that problem.... *hides*


Naughty me!... Wink...!

My Firefox Browser links straight to the Forum, by-passing the Ads.....(and all the other goodies, which I'm missing on the Main Page!)... Shocked.... Cry....!

I keep noticing that there doesn't seem to be a link BACk to the Main Page, from the Forum Page...which is a bit annoying sometimes when I want to do a Site Search... Roll Eyes....unless I'm missing something?

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Reply #6 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 2:31pm

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Bypassing the ads is exactly the same, morally, as downloading a payware aircraft for free -- the only difference is that lawyers have not dealt with that yet.

Simviation relies 100% on users responding to ads plus express memberships, in exactly the same way a musician, software developer or FS payware seller relies on the user actually buying his or her product.

Skipping any involvement in a return for what you get is not something to be proud of.

 

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Reply #7 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 5:18pm
Crash   Ex Member

 
Fozzer wrote on Sep 30th, 2009 at 2:03pm:
Quote:
...you could also just use some specific addons with Firefox to take care of that problem.... *hides*


Naughty me!... Wink...!

My Firefox Browser links straight to the Forum, by-passing the Ads.....(and all the other goodies, which I'm missing on the Main Page!)... Shocked.... Cry....!

I keep noticing that there doesn't seem to be a link BACk to the Main Page, from the Forum Page...which is a bit annoying sometimes when I want to do a Site Search... Roll Eyes....unless I'm missing something?

Paul... Cool...!


Yes, you miss something Paul. Above the forum there are two links. One to Simviation Free Site and on to Simviation Member Site.

I'm a paying member but hardly download anything from this site. Just paying to support the site and forum I guess...

Crash Wink
 
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Reply #8 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 5:36pm

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Fozzer wrote on Sep 30th, 2009 at 2:03pm:
Quote:
...you could also just use some specific addons with Firefox to take care of that problem.... *hides*


Naughty me!... Wink...!

My Firefox Browser links straight to the Forum, by-passing the Ads.....(and all the other goodies, which I'm missing on the Main Page!)... Shocked.... Cry....!

I keep noticing that there doesn't seem to be a link BACk to the Main Page, from the Forum Page...which is a bit annoying sometimes when I want to do a Site Search... Roll Eyes....unless I'm missing something?

Paul... Cool...!


Yes, you miss something Paul. Above the forum there are two links. One to Simviation Free Site and on to Simviation Member Site.

I'm a paying member but hardly download anything from this site. Just paying to support the site and forum I guess...

Crash Wink


Good for you!...Wink...!

A big box of chocolates for you at Christmas Time!... Smiley...!

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Reply #9 - Sep 30th, 2009 at 11:12pm
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Fozzer wrote on Sep 30th, 2009 at 5:36pm:
A big box of chocolates for you at Christmas Time!... Smiley...!

P.... Wink...!


Woohoo. Chocolate.

Crash Wink (makes appointment with dentist in January)
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 1st, 2009 at 12:03am
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Ok, that was poor of me for recommending a way to avoid the ads since I was in the mindset that most people find them annoying, and wanted a quick fix. I suspected eventual backlash, but was too stupid to remove my comment. Embarrassed

I must respectfully disagree, however, with Pete's statement:
Bypassing the ads is exactly the same, morally, as downloading a payware aircraft for free -- the only difference is that lawyers have not dealt with that yet.

Allowing the ads to show up anyway and simply ignoring them would be the equivalent of bypassing them through scripts since we are not taking action towards them...so under that logic, unless we engage the ads, we're pirates? I can't say I agree with that, but to each his own.

Beyond that point, I am in the middle of doing the paid membership anyway because this community is so great.
Since it's been mentioned that I am voting against this site's existence, I hope this gesture proves otherwise.  Smiley

This place is truly great, and I was stupid for suggesting the ad avoidance methods since they apparently factor in quite a bit to this site's revenue stream.  Embarrassed

Have a good weekend folks.  Smiley
 
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Reply #11 - Oct 1st, 2009 at 1:50am

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The gesture is EXTREMELY appreciated by all  Smiley  The work and time and money Pete puts into this site is tremendous, every little bit helps, even if it is an annoying ad...


Not here to solicit express members, let's just look at the ad with a little appreciation knowing that it is contributing to our free aircraft and hours of forum surfing  Smiley  A simple click on the X will terminate the annoyance  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #12 - Oct 1st, 2009 at 5:16am

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Yes Sean your gesture is much appreciated.

I also never 'seek' users to become Express members. I regularly get asked if it is necessary to become a member to download files -- my answer is always 'no - all free' I don't even suggest anyone becomes a member. (You won't find a single post here either of me suggesting that users sign up .. but it IS nice when others do! Wink ). My attitude is that Simviation is free for all - providing 100% freeware files - BUT Membership pays our essential costs.  Ads pay for the free site. About 60/40. Skip ads and you are costing Simviation money. So if you skip the ads you are voting to end Simviation even though you probably cannot think that far or simply don't care.

However thank you to all who support this site by either contributing files,  responding (out of natural interest) to our ads or signing up for Express membership. All 3 are crucial, not only to this site but the whole hobby of PC Flight Simulation.
« Last Edit: Oct 1st, 2009 at 6:28am by pete »  

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Reply #13 - Oct 5th, 2009 at 7:00pm

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I thought that was the case. The ads are not annoying and as long as they're not spam type ads, I'll continue to look at them. Thanks.
 
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Reply #14 - Oct 5th, 2009 at 7:22pm

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Just a comment, not a complaint. The only adds that have ever seemed remotely like an irritant are the pop unders that pop over with "Are you sure you want to exit this page?", when you click the handy X, top right. I have skimmed through many of those adds in the past. I would imagine the paying advertisers are recording hits to thier adds? No hits, No renewals? Just a guess.  Smiley
 

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Reply #15 - Oct 6th, 2009 at 5:43am

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The only adds that have ever seemed remotely like an irritant are the pop unders that pop over with "Are you sure you want to exit this page?"


I completely agree. That ad was removed immediately. I barred that advertiser and also compainted about it to Valueclick - the agency. Any ad that interfers with site enjoyment or irritates users (beyond just being an 'ad' - which will always irritate some) will be removed - always has been.
Simviation is about giving our users a good experience.
 

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