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Sep 17th, 2009 at 12:53pm

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heya people,

first of all, ive read all the recent threads about the i7's and the sticky above about a 'perfect' FSX system, and i understand there is no such thing as a perfect fsx system  Wink but...

I went into my local TRUSTY computer shop with a list of parts asking for a quote including an:

i7 920
P6Tdeluxe V2
BFG 285 GTX 2gb
6 gig coarsair 1600 CL7
plus some hard drives etc...

and basically i was told that the i7 920s were hard to get hold of and that the newer i7 860 1156 skt coupled with a MSI P55 GD80 motherboard would beat the 920 hands down... i've looked at reveiws on the net and it seems the 860 is more of a budget processor but has speeds of 2.80ghz, whereas the 920 has a lower clock speed of 2.66mhz.

im very confused, as the 860 is also slighly more expensive from what i can see. am I just being conned into something i dont want?

here are the two different processors:

Intel Core i7 920 "D0 Stepping" 2.66Ghz (Nehalem) (Socket LGA1366)

and

Intel Core i7 860 2.80Ghz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156)

i guess im trying to ask what is the difference and what effects will it have on running FSX? is anyone using the 860, or have any experience with it? can i be overclocked like the 920's?


thank you in advance, if theres anything ive forgot to mention, just ask!

Deano  Smiley
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 17th, 2009 at 6:55pm

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I've had a Q9550 now, for going on a year.. Normally by now I'd be upgrading.. and i7  is the next, logical step.

I've held off, because I've build a few i7 machines for pilots at my club.. and I aint impressed. I've learned slowly (because I'm slow).. that I'll be steering new simmers toward older, fast Qs. As mentioned in another thread, even a $1,000 i7 975 isn't much of an FSX step up from a $220 9550... and needed overclocked to even compete.

Mine (with Nick's help) overclocked to 3.4Ghz with just a couple seconds in the Setup.. and took little effort to get to 3.6Ghz.. and was at 3.8Ghz (but unstable due to my RAM).

The Qs ,  and boards for them, can be had pretty cheap right now... and are far from obsolete.
 
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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 12:24pm

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cheers for your thoughts brett,

this is why its so confusing! the reviews for these chips and benchmarks seem to be great, but then i hear stories that they're no good! i dont mind paying a bit more, so price isnt a pro or con for me but having said that, i cant afford a £400+ chip either! ill have a look into the Q series of processors, see how they stack up!

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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2009 at 4:46pm

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cantflywontfly wrote on Sep 17th, 2009 at 12:53pm:
heya people,

first of all, ive read all the recent threads about the i7's and the sticky above about a 'perfect' FSX system, and i understand there is no such thing as a perfect fsx system  Wink but...

I went into my local TRUSTY computer shop with a list of parts asking for a quote including an:

i7 920
P6Tdeluxe V2
BFG 285 GTX 2gb
6 gig coarsair 1600 CL7
plus some hard drives etc...

and basically i was told that the i7 920s were hard to get hold of and that the newer i7 860 1156 skt coupled with a MSI P55 GD80 motherboard would beat the 920 hands down... i've looked at reveiws on the net and it seems the 860 is more of a budget processor but has speeds of 2.80ghz, whereas the 920 has a lower clock speed of 2.66mhz.

im very confused, as the 860 is also slighly more expensive from what i can see. am I just being conned into something i dont want?

here are the two different processors:

Intel Core i7 920 "D0 Stepping" 2.66Ghz (Nehalem) (Socket LGA1366)

and

Intel Core i7 860 2.80Ghz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156)

i guess im trying to ask what is the difference and what effects will it have on running FSX? is anyone using the 860, or have any experience with it? can i be overclocked like the 920's?


thank you in advance, if theres anything ive forgot to mention, just ask!

Deano  Smiley


cantflywontfly,

Having just gone through a new build, I understand your concerns. As a matter of information the i7-860 (2.8 GHZ) appears to be an upgraded i7 920 with several features added. Go to intel.com and you can look at a comparison of the two. The cost is the same.  And I can imagine what questions you have. Just how are new generation (Intel i500, i700, i800 series processors) or new AMD products supporting FSX? How, when over-clocked, do they compare with an over-clocked earlier dual or quad CPU?. What performance change is expected from going from a low to top end video card? This kind of information is crucial for selecting the right and/or most cost efficient components for a new build or upgrading a current PC. The best way of acquiring this is from people who reported back how well their new build or upgrade performs. I based mine on a lot of research and especially information from people who built similar systems. My final configuration is listed at the bottom of this post. After spending several months in running different settings, tweaks and, over-clocking, I finally settled on the following. I use these settings every where I fly.

My FSX settings are:
         Everything maxed out (Full Right) or turned on except:
     1. Light Bloom unchecked.
     2. Mesh Resolution at 10M.
     3. Water Effects Low 2.X.
     4. Ground Scenery Shadows unchecked.
     5. Cloud Draw Distance 70 Mi.
     6. Airport Vehicle Density - Low, Road Vehicles 25%, Ships and Ferries 50%,      and Leisure Boats 50%.
     7. My Full Screen Resolution is set at 1920x1200x32.
Tweaks are:
     1. Texture_Bandwidth_Mult = 70.
     2. Bufferpools set to 350.
     3. Buildings and trees set to 6000.
Over-Clocking settings are:
     1. BCLK Freq = 185.
     2. PCIE freq = 100.
     3. DRAM Freq = 1483.
     4. CPU v = 1.39v.
Add-ons are
     GEX, UTX, REX, Orbx Blue, Melbourne AP, Dream Team JFK, and a few      others.

With the above settings my i7 920 PC now runs at 3.72 GHz, performance is great, and flights are smoooooth. You also might be surprised at some of the prices. For example, the cost of my i7 920  ($200.00 on sale) is less than many of the older CPUs. As for performance of the i800 series, I don't have any first hand information since the i800s have just hit the stores (saw them for the first time at Micro Center yesterday) but I would expect them to be equal or better. I did check with newegg,com for the i7 920 and they still have it with free shipping. Also, in my opinion, if you are building a new system, I would not settle for an older CPU.  I hope this information is helpful and good luck with your endeavor.

The following are some screens from my new rig.

Over Long Island Approaching Manhattan at 37.5 FPS
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Over Seattle Approaching the Airport at 39.4 FPS
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Over the Empire State Bldg in Manhattan at 47.9 FPS
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Over RIO at 51.7 FPS
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2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
8.   120 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
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Reply #4 - Sep 21st, 2009 at 5:16pm

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Flight Ace wrote on Sep 21st, 2009 at 4:46pm:
cantflywontfly,

Having just gone through a new build, I understand...........................................



flight ace, thank you very much indeed for your thoughts. i think i will be going for the newer I7 860, and the information you have provided me will help a lot.. just a few questions...

i see you have 12 gigs ram!!! what are the timings?

secondly, just how important is it to have a powerful PSu such as your 1000watt one? i was just planning on a 700watt PSu but will it be a good choice when planning to overclock stuff, and also running a hefty GFX card such as the 285? With other components, its usually the case that bigger numbers are better but is that true with PSU's?

finnally, nice shots and nice rig!!

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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2009 at 11:06pm

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cantflywontfly,

My RAM is Corsair CL8, Latency 8-8-8-24.

Its better to have too much rather than too little power. I selected the 1,000 watt Modular PSU for the reasons you stated and ease of cabling. Further, I wanted to make sure that I had sufficient power for any future upgrades.

Again good luck with your project and let us know how it turns out.

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1.   Chaser MK-1 Full Tower ATX Computer Case
2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
8.   120 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
9.   1 TB Backup Drive
10. Samsung TOC 26 inch Monitor
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Reply #6 - Sep 24th, 2009 at 1:26pm

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Right, after a long hard think about everything, i will be ordering my new computer tomorrow hopefully! ive decided to go for the following and just thought i'd post the specs in case any of you lot have any sudden last minute warnings of incopatability etc!!

intel I7 860 processor
MSI P55 GD80 motherboard
8gig coarsair 1600 CL7
BFG gtx 285 2gig memory
800+ watt PSU
antec 900/cavalier 590 or similar case
CPU cooler ??? any suggestions???
500gig HDD for general stuff
250gig HDD for fsx
and Windows 7 (64bit) already obtained

thanks

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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2009 at 6:17pm

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You need a triple channel memory kit... which means you'll either have 3gb, 6gb, or 12gb of memory installed...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226032



the CPU cooler... any of these will do:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/880/1/



Good luck Wink




 
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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2009 at 9:46pm

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I can't add much to what's already been provided. Have you given any thought towards a full case? I have always thought that a larger well vented case is easier to assemble and cool components, not to mention better cable management.

Good luck - your new rig looks great and should provide you with endless moments of in flight pleasure.

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1.   Chaser MK-1 Full Tower ATX Computer Case
2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
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Reply #9 - Sep 25th, 2009 at 6:47am

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SubZer0 wrote on Sep 24th, 2009 at 6:17pm:
You need a triple channel memory kit... which means you'll either have 3gb, 6gb, or 12gb of memory installed...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226032







actually intel have reverted back to dual channel memory for their latest I7s  Tongue

cheers anyway subzero!
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 25th, 2009 at 2:24pm

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cantflywontfly wrote on Sep 25th, 2009 at 6:47am:
SubZer0 wrote on Sep 24th, 2009 at 6:17pm:
You need a triple channel memory kit... which means you'll either have 3gb, 6gb, or 12gb of memory installed...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226032







actually intel have reverted back to dual channel memory for their latest I7s  Tongue

cheers anyway subzero!

oooops.... Did not know that! Sorry mate Embarrassed
 
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Reply #11 - Sep 28th, 2009 at 12:59pm

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Right, its done! its ordered, being buit etc! thanks all for your advice and opinions, ill see you all on the screen shot forums soon  Cool

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Reply #12 - Sep 28th, 2009 at 1:41pm

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SubZer0 wrote on Sep 25th, 2009 at 2:24pm:
cantflywontfly wrote on Sep 25th, 2009 at 6:47am:
SubZer0 wrote on Sep 24th, 2009 at 6:17pm:
You need a triple channel memory kit... which means you'll either have 3gb, 6gb, or 12gb of memory installed...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226032







actually intel have reverted back to dual channel memory for their latest I7s Tongue

cheers anyway subzero!

oooops.... Did not know that! Sorry mate Embarrassed


Would you mind explaining any impact because of this?

Is it all i7's??

 
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Reply #13 - Sep 28th, 2009 at 1:48pm
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LGA1366 processors are tri-channel - these include Core i7 9xx series.

LGA1156 processors are dual-channel, which include Core i5 and Core i7 8xx series.

All Core i7 include hyper threading.
No Core i5 includes hyper threading.

LGA1366 processors need a X58 motherboard.
LGA1156 processors need a P55 motherboard.

They are not interchangeable.

Core i5 = dual channel = P55 motherboard =  no hyperthreading.
Core i7 8xx = dual channel = P55 motherboard = hyperthreading.
Core i7 9xx = tri channel = X58 motherboard = hyperthreading.

Dual channel memory means less memory bandwidth which means less performance. However, on the flip side, you save some money on the motherboard, and memory, and some dual channel processors are higher clocked despite similar price of the processor alone, for example, Core i7 860 is the same price as i7 920, despite the 860 being clocked higher.
 
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Reply #14 - Sep 28th, 2009 at 6:54pm

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Thanks for the explanation...

So the best buy CPU for FSX is probably still the i7 920 clocked to around 4 Ghz I guess?

But then again, when I have the funds to buy something like this + the proper RAM, GFX etc. there may be a new and even better performing CPU from Intel!

 
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