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Reply #30 - Aug 8th, 2009 at 9:16pm

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This thread has inspired me to fly around the world in the Spartan Executive in FSX.

I've already flown the Spartan from Eastern Washington to Seattle, up the coast to Anchorage, down the Aleution Islands and over to Petropavlovsk, Russia, and i'm now making my way down the Kuril Islands to Japan. Logged 23 hours so far. All done real time, at or near the computer, no GPS, and with real world weather. Not bad, eh...? Grin

I plan to stop on every continent, except Antarctica.
 
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Reply #31 - Aug 8th, 2009 at 9:49pm

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BFMF wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 at 9:16pm:
This thread has inspired me to fly around the world in the Spartan Executive in FSX.

I've already flown the Spartan from Eastern Washington to Seattle, up the coast to Anchorage, down the Aleution Islands and over to Petropavlovsk, Russia, and i'm now making my way down the Kuril Islands to Japan. Logged 23 hours so far. All done real time, at or near the computer, no GPS, and with real world weather. Not bad, eh...? Grin

I plan to stop on every continent, except Antarctica.


Good luck! I once tried flying transatlantic from from Boston to London via Canada, Greenland, and Iceland in a Cessna 210. I was about 15 miles from the coast of England when I ran out of fuel. I was sooo close! Cry
 

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Reply #32 - Aug 8th, 2009 at 10:03pm

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ApplePie wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 at 9:49pm:
BFMF wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 at 9:16pm:
This thread has inspired me to fly around the world in the Spartan Executive in FSX.

I've already flown the Spartan from Eastern Washington to Seattle, up the coast to Anchorage, down the Aleution Islands and over to Petropavlovsk, Russia, and i'm now making my way down the Kuril Islands to Japan. Logged 23 hours so far. All done real time, at or near the computer, no GPS, and with real world weather. Not bad, eh...? Grin

I plan to stop on every continent, except Antarctica.


Good luck! I once tried flying transatlantic from from Boston to London via Canada, Greenland, and Iceland in a Cessna 210. I was about 15 miles from the coast of England when I ran out of fuel. I was sooo close! Cry


Thanks.

That sucks...!

I can easily fly the Spartan over 900 miles between refueling, so as long as I strategically plan my route, i'll be fine Cool
 
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Reply #33 - Aug 10th, 2009 at 3:30pm

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Once I flew from Amsterdam to New York in a KLM 747; I saved the flight a few times, but it was very boring (not much else but sea down there) and I was stupid enough to crash at JFK, so I felt it hadn't been worth my time.

I had more fun flying from Chania, Crete, to Amsterdam in a Transavia 737, reliving a flight I made in real life as a passenger. More to see down there: Greece, the Croatian islands, the Alps around Innsbruck...but I forgot to watch the fuel flow, so I landed in Amsterdam on the last drops of kerosine.

In general, I prefer to fly short flights, up to one hour each, over beautiful terrain (Santiago de Chile to Mendoza, Geneva to Turin, Spokane to Seattle - stunning views of Mt. Rainier along the way!). Keeps me more or less busy in the cockpit, in my own amateurish way.

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Reply #34 - Aug 10th, 2009 at 3:56pm

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Pieter G. Wijtsma wrote on Aug 10th, 2009 at 3:30pm:
In general, I prefer to fly short flights, up to one hour each, over beautiful terrain (Spokane to Seattle - stunning views of Mt. Rainier along the way!). Keeps me more or less busy in the cockpit, in my own amateurish way.


Its a beautifull flight isn't it.... Cool
 
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Reply #35 - Aug 11th, 2009 at 1:36pm

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This my first post on this forum.  When I first started out as a new simmer I tried several "long haul" flights (i.e., LAX to Auckland, NZ) and at that time I felt it was important to try to stay aligned to the realizm aspect.  Over time I have given in to the "quick" fly mode, often adjusting to 16x Speed.   Over time, I have found that I enjoy the take off and the landing aspect of FS.   Long flights tend to be boring, although the scenery can be beautiful.   I dunno.  There is no right or wrong I quess.  LOL  
 

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Reply #36 - Aug 11th, 2009 at 2:49pm

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turbofire wrote on Aug 11th, 2009 at 1:36pm:
This my first post on this forum.  When I first started out as a new simmer I tried several "long haul" flights (i.e., LAX to Auckland, NZ) and at that time I felt it was important to try to stay aligned to the realizm aspect.  Over time I have given in to the "quick" fly mode, often adjusting to 16x Speed.   Over time, I have found that I enjoy the take off and the landing aspect of FS.   Long flights tend to be boring, although the scenery can be beautiful.   I dunno.  There is no right or wrong I quess.  LOL  


It really depends on how you want to fly long flights. For me, I navigate using real charts, pilotage, dead reckoning, nav radios ect. I never create a flightplan, and couple the autopilot to the GPS and watch the computer navigate for me. I don't even use the GPS.

Flying cross country flights when you're the one actively navigating, checking your sectional charts, cross referencing the chart vs landmarks on the ground, busy dialing in nav radios and navigating down radials to your checkpoints, calculating your own heading/speed/location, and using your compass and clock makes things a lot more challenging and interesting.

You can still do it in the heavies. File an IFR flightplan, and instead of checking the GPS direct to option, plan your route over VOR stations spaced out 1-2 hundred miles. Don't use the Nav option on the autopilot, and don't even touch or look at the GPS. I'll guarantee you that you won't be as bored... Wink

I've currently flown just under 40 hours on my 'round the world flight, flying from Spokane WA to my current location in the Philippines island. I've only opened the GPS once so far, because I accidentally pushed the wrong window button on my keyboard. It has since been removed from the aircraft. I don't need no stinkin' GPS to fly around the world... Grin
 
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Reply #37 - Aug 11th, 2009 at 6:26pm

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I've flown a 'round the world' in a combination of LearJet for the big hops and Cessna 172 for short and sightseeing around some of the cities ... both default planes.

The route was across America first then Hawaii, Tahiti, Australia, New Zealand then Far East, Middle East, Europe then back home.  Coming into Kathmandu from China at 32,000 feet was an eye opener when the Himalayas start springing up higher than I was flying!!

Also tried another RTW but North to south - down Africa and planned to go over the South Pole and back up the other side - no-one told me the FS9 map doesn't work this way.  Ended up skirting around Antarctica and back up across South then North America, Canada then across the Arctic and back home again.

After all that, I seem to be spending a lot of my time just admiring the scenery around Western Canada and West Coast America.  I have very fond memories of real flights in that area.  Smiley

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Reply #38 - Aug 12th, 2009 at 5:46am

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TigerAl wrote on Aug 11th, 2009 at 6:26pm:
Also tried another RTW but North to south - down Africa and planned to go over the South Pole and back up the other side - no-one told me the FS9 map doesn't work this way.  Ended up skirting around Antarctica and back up across South then North America, Canada then across the Arctic and back home again.


Lol, Yeah, I've run into that invisible wall before. Havn't gone that far north in FSX yet.


Btw, If anyone cares, I created a map with my RTW flight progress on it. Its too big to put on the SimV server, so I uploaded to my photobucket account and put the link in my signature area. Let me know what you think
 
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Reply #39 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 2:40am

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Super map, BMFW!

Very close to my own routes in short-range types. Looks as if it even includes Eareckson and the (dreaded) Yelizovo.  Smiley

I've fired up my old favourite, the DH88 Comet, again, and am taking it round eastbound. Just finished a bit of a 'landmark' flight.

Up to now I've tended to think of the Comet as having a 2,000-mile range. So the only available trans-Pacific route has been Honolulu-San Francisco. Much as I love SFO, though, that leaves me way south of the Great Circle route to St. John's, Newfoundland, and costs me a couple of hours plugging north across Canada.

I happened to remember reading Ernest Gann's excellent book, "The High And The Mighty," years ago - in which he said that the old-time Pacific fliers used what they called the 'North Dog Route' - they deliberately flew north of the direct track to SFO, because it gave them a much better chance of a tailwind.

So, for a change, I decided to head for Seattle - but keep checking the wind direction and fuel, and divert to SFO in good time if I didn't look like making it.

Worked out beautifully - crosswinds rather than headwinds half the way, then a steady 25 knots or so from the west for the rest of the trip! Landed with 6% of fuel left - 2,322nms. nonstop!

For people trying RW for the first time - about Great Circle routes, it's a good idea to plan the trip by pre-checking the whole route in the Flight Planner. Only trouble is, the Flight Planner won't work right round the world, only up to halfway. So I usually set up say Melbourne to St. John's, Newfoundland (which seems to be on the GC route to almost everywhere!) and note the best places to stop and refuel - even putting them into the Planner to check ranges. Then I set up say Lisbon to Melbourne, and do the same thing for the homeward-bound track.  
 
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Reply #40 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 11:28am

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Cool map!!

My version's SO last century ... wall map, red pen and a ruler.  Cheesy
 

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Reply #41 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 12:01pm

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Nav wrote on Aug 13th, 2009 at 2:40am:
Super map, BMFW!

Very close to my own routes in short-range types. Looks as if it even includes Eareckson and the (dreaded) Yelizovo.  Smiley


Thanks, glad you like it.

Yep, I landed at both of them. Had I known that Yelizovo was a Russian Military Base, I would have gone around it, but oh well.... Grin

Going around the world too? If you want a copy of the original map I used to do your own, let me know and I can e-mail it to you.


One of these days, i'll do the MacRobertson Air Race route in the DH88 Comet...
 
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Reply #42 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 3:31pm

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BFMF wrote on Aug 11th, 2009 at 2:49pm:
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It really depends on how you want to fly long flights. For me, I navigate using real charts, pilotage, dead reckoning, nav radios ect. I never create a flightplan, and couple the autopilot to the GPS and watch the computer navigate for me. I don't even use the GPS.

Flying cross country flights when you're the one actively navigating, checking your sectional charts, cross referencing the chart vs landmarks on the ground, busy dialing in nav radios and navigating down radials to your checkpoints, calculating your own heading/speed/location, and using your compass and clock makes things a lot more challenging and interesting.

You can still do it in the heavies. File an IFR flightplan, and instead of checking the GPS direct to option, plan your route over VOR stations spaced out 1-2 hundred miles. Don't use the Nav option on the autopilot, and don't even touch or look at the GPS. I'll guarantee you that you won't be as bored... Wink

I've currently flown just under 40 hours on my 'round the world flight, flying from Spokane WA to my current location in the Philippines island. I've only opened the GPS once so far, because I accidentally pushed the wrong window button on my keyboard. It has since been removed from the aircraft. I don't need no stinkin' GPS to fly around the world... Grin

Grin Grin

Once you learn to navigate old school, via VOR's & NDB's or just by deadrekoning, you'll never want to use GPS again. The longest flight I did was San Diego, CA to Brooklyn, NY in a Curtis Jenny that took 31 and a half hours long (which I'm still in the process of writing a transcript about my experience), just using the onboard compass, a watch, and a Rand McNally road atlas! But since I've learned to fly using radio nav equipment, I really enjoy flying 3hr flights in GA piston powered aircraft. Nothing like tuneing radio frqs, setting headings, checking the charts, watching the time, and maintaning course, too keep a pilot from getting board Smiley! My 2nd longest flight was a trip to Mt Everest started from my home base in Rapid City, SD in a C208B heading westward. Navigating over land is easy, but once you head out over the water you really got to pay attention (without cheating by looking at the GPS) to stay on course. So the moral of the story is,,,,, if ya don't wanna be bored, learn to fly like you would have to in the real world, cause even thoe this is only a sim, you can still imagine what can happen if you get lost over the ocean, or run out of fuel over a mountain range. But here's the real secret to staying alert (especially if you like doing long hauls in jetliners), I'll choose a failure and set it up this way,,,,,, it's set to go off 20mins after I start the engine(s), and than I set it to the max, 600mins (that's a span of 9hrs&40mins), by the time 20mins have gone by I've already forgotten about it, and hopefully by the time I am landing, nothing has gone wrong. So far i've only incountered minor problems (still relitively rarely), just remember to reset before your next flight (if you saved it), otherwise you will get caught off guard, and then your boredom will really turn into excitement  Shocked;Grin,,,,,, so HAPPY FLYING!!!

PS, BMFW, nice map, I took the same route upto the Japenese Island of Hokkaido,  but from there headed westward into China to see the Great Wall on my way to Mt Everest. Good luck on your venture!
 
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Reply #43 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 4:26pm

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Ang2dogs wrote on Aug 13th, 2009 at 3:31pm:
The longest flight I did was San Diego, CA to Brooklyn, NY in a Curtis Jenny that took 31 and a half hours long (which I'm still in the process of writing a transcript about my experience), just using the onboard compass, a watch, and a Rand McNally road atlas!

Outstanding accomplishment Wink

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My 2nd longest flight was a trip to Mt Everest started from my home base in Rapid City, SD

Home of Ellsworth Air Force Base. Oh, those were the days Cool

 

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Reply #44 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 9:41pm

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For something interesting, look up the routes of the Imperial Airways at the end of 1933, from London to Cape Town as well as from London to Singapore.  Then, fly the complete route using an HP 42.    It will keep one busy for weeks, LOL, I know, I did it.  bty...there was NO GPS on the HP 42 as it hadn't been invented yet.  ...
 

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