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Jul 24
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Which sports cars have a comfortable back seat?
Mercedes CLS-500 is a "4 door coupe", 491 cm long and 139 cm high. The engine is a V8, displacing 5,5 l, with 382 horsepower.
A Porsche Panamera Turbo is 497 cm long, and 142 cm high. The engine is 4,8 l V8, with 500 horses.
Is the back seat of a Mercedes CLS comfortable in legroom and headroom? And does it have a view ahead, or only to the back of driver seat? Does the back seat feel like real 5-seater, or like 2+2?
A Cadillac Sixteen has a V16 engine, with 13,6 l displacement, producing 1000 horsepower. The car is 567 cm long, but just 139 cm high, like CLS-class. And has 4 doors.
A Bugatti Bordeaux also has a 16 cylinder engine producing 1000 horse power. It is the same engine as Bugatti Veyron, in W arrangement and displacing 8,0 l.
How long and how high is a Bugatti Bordeaux?
Would you rather be driven in the back seat of a Cadillac Sixteen, or of a Bugatti Bordeaux?
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Jul 24
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None of those.
I'd have an m5 and be the one driving it.
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Just my opinions here:
Aside from the conundrum that Porsche has laid upon us, and anything ever made by BMW, if it has 4 doors, it should NOT include the word 'sport' in it's description.
Fast, quick, agile, yes.
If you want a sports car, get a sports car, not a pretender.
4-door sports cars are for people who own Hummers, but never take them off road.
Other than NASCAR, Rally, and demolition derbys, I don't recall any 4 doors being used for sport in the manner that the manufactures imply. (it would be neat to be wrong.)
To answer your question using the choices provided: Never will I be chauffeured as long as I can still drive.
And I'll take the Caddy. That way if I crash it, the world didn't loose anything valuable.
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ShaneG wrote
on Jul 24
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Just my opinions here:
Aside from the conundrum that Porsche has laid upon us, and anything ever made by BMW, if it has 4 doors, it should NOT include the word 'sport' in it's description.
Fast, quick, agile, yes.
If you want a sports car, get a sports car, not a pretender.
4-door sports cars are for people who own Hummers, but never take them off road.
Other than NASCAR, Rally, and demolition derbys, I don't recall any 4 doors being used for sport in the manner that the manufactures imply. (it would be neat to be wrong.)
To answer your question using the choices provided: Never will I be chauffeured as long as I can still drive.
And I'll take the Caddy. That way if I crash it, the world didn't loose anything valuable.
Hate to say it Shane, but you are forgetting many race series that do have 4 door cars in them. The DTM races use 4 door cars such as the Audi A4, and the Merc C Class. Theres also the Austrailian V8 supercar series with the Ford Falcon, and Holden Commodore. Then you've got the Speed Touring Car championship, and even a few cars in Japan's Super GT. And dont forget the BTCC!
Im with you though.... if you want a sports car, get a real sports car. I happen to think its blasphemy for something like a Corvette to have an auto.... but thats just me. Get a sports car and drive it like its made to be driven.
As for the original question.... Id say Bugatti. The name Cadillac just is nowhere near the name Bugatti.
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gtirob01 wrote
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Hate to say it Shane, but you are forgetting many race series that do have 4 door cars in them. The DTM races use 4 door cars such as the Audi A4, and the Merc C Class.
Since I don't get that here, I was unaware they ran 4-doors, most of my news of that series comes from Road & Track magazine once a month, weird that they would run 4 doors being Germans, I've always associated them with Automobile perfection, and a four door doesn't seem like the perfect solution to autosports domination.
gtirob01 wrote
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Theres also the Austrailian V8 supercar series with the Ford Falcon, and Holden Commodore.
For some reason, I was under (no pun intended) the impression, that they had & raced 2 door versions of these cars.
That's my bad also.
gtirob01 wrote
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and even a few cars in Japan's Super GT.
Wasn't aware of that.
gtirob01 wrote
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And dont forget the BTCC
I had to look that one up.
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DTM is ok, never have been a fan of the aussie v8's.
But I love the btcc, it gets a lot of stick for not being what it used to be, but I can honestly say on an average race weekend, you get more excitement and overtaking out of those than any of the other major circuit series. More importantly the mix of cars make it interesting as it always has. The big long wheel base vectra's, great in the longer faster corners, but then you have the small nippy civics and seat's great in the tight corners. And of course the beemers which this year seem to have the field matched and beaten, even in the wet.
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Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte
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Craig. wrote
on Jul 24
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None of those.
I'd have an m5 and be the one driving it.
No, I would be driving it. You would be in the boot having been hit over the head with the jacking handle
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Bullseyee wrote
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Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte
Ah, that?
510 cm length. 144 cm high. 4,7 l V8, 440 horses.
Nowhere near the 1000 horsepower class of Sixteen and Bordeaux...
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chornedsnorkack wrote
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Bullseyee wrote
on Aug 17
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Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte
Ah, that?
510 cm length. 144 cm high. 4,7 l V8, 440 horses.
Nowhere near the 1000 horsepower class of Sixteen and Bordeaux...
That is true, but with the Maserati Quatroporte you can drive it in a straight line AND in corners, where as an America 1000 horse leviathan can only be driven in a straight line. As we all know, American cars and corners is not something that goes in the same sentence
Also between a Maserati or a Caddy, the Italian would win every time, style, history etc regardless of BHP...........Literally too because the Caddy probably weighs in at 20 tons needing the 1000 BHP to move it
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chornedsnorkack wrote
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Bullseyee wrote
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Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte
Ah, that?
510 cm length. 144 cm high. 4,7 l V8, 440 horses.
Nowhere near the 1000 horsepower class of Sixteen and Bordeaux...
numbers dont mean much all the time
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Aug 18
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When I look at a car, I look at its style, not so at numbers exept the engine
But, if you're so intrested in HP, go to the Ferrari test track and get a life-long pass to test the FXX ;P
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expat wrote
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Also between a Maserati or a Caddy, the Italian would win every time, style, history etc regardless of BHP...........Literally too because the Caddy probably weighs in at 20 tons needing the 1000 BHP to move it
Not quite
Cadillac Sixteen weighs 2,27 tons. Maserati Quattroporte weighs 1,86 tons.
For an unsporty 4-door with length similar to Cadillac Sixteen, consider Bentley Arnage RL. 564 cm long, 152 cm high. 450 horses... and weighs 2,65 t.
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chornedsnorkack wrote
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expat wrote
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Also between a Maserati or a Caddy, the Italian would win every time, style, history etc regardless of BHP...........Literally too because the Caddy probably weighs in at 20 tons needing the 1000 BHP to move it
Not quite
Cadillac Sixteen weighs 2,27 tons. Maserati Quattroporte weighs 1,86 tons.
For an unsporty 4-door with length similar to Cadillac Sixteen, consider Bentley Arnage RL. 564 cm long, 152 cm high. 450 horses... and weighs 2,65 t.
As already pointed out, numbers at the end of the day mean nothing. It is personal taste that wins and that taste for me must include style, history and prestige when considering a vehicle of the calibre we are talking about. Once in a blue moon along comes a pretender that can give one of the greats a real good run for their money, but only time will tell if they stay the course and become an accepted part of motor history or not. If I had the money to buy one of the cars we are talking about, the Caddy could have the first 10,000 BHP engine in it, but at the end of the day it is still a Caddy. OK I agree some people would by it because of the 10,000 BHP, but sorry, as a refined auto mobile it would be as subtle as a golf club over the head. And not only that but Simon Cowl would probably own one so there is a huge reason not to.
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At some point, everybody and their dog was planning sporty 4-doors.
Is Aston Martin Rapide still going forward?
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Aug 30
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Buy a stock Mercedes C-class. Plenty of room in there. Take it to your nearest tuning center and have a
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Engine kit fitted with a decent set of shocks, rims and tyres. Finished. 530hp for half the money of the cars you suggested....
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Bugatti has revealed their Galibier. The engine is still 8 l W16, but it is derated to 800 horses by replacing Veyron´s turbochargers with superchargers. The length of the car is estimated at 528 cm, and maximum speed at 350 km/h.
http://luxvelocity.typepad.com/luxvelocity/2009/09/first-photos-of-bugattis-new-...
How do you think does the back seat headroom of Galibier compare with Porsche Panamera?
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chornedsnorkack wrote
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Bugatti has revealed their Galibier. The engine is still 8 l W16, but it is derated to 800 horses by replacing Veyron´s turbochargers with superchargers. The length of the car is estimated at 528 cm, and maximum speed at 350 km/h.
http://luxvelocity.typepad.com/luxvelocity/2009/09/first-photos-of-bugattis-new-...
How do you think does the back seat headroom of Galibier compare with Porsche Panamera?
The rear view of that looks a lot like the Porsche.
I like it, and being a Bugatti, and for what they are going to charge for it... it had better have a
way
more spacious and luxurious backseat.
I still can't get used to the idea of some of these nameplates having 4 doors & backseats. I'm still waiting to see if Lambo will give the go on their 4-door. If they do, Ferrari will surely follow.
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I really don't quite understand why Bugatti bothered with the Veyron and now why they are making this thing.
It is a rich person's car, but I don't think it is a smart person's one.
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ShaneG wrote
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chornedsnorkack wrote
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Bugatti has revealed their Galibier. The engine is still 8 l W16, but it is derated to 800 horses by replacing Veyron´s turbochargers with superchargers. The length of the car is estimated at 528 cm, and maximum speed at 350 km/h.
http://luxvelocity.typepad.com/luxvelocity/2009/09/first-photos-of-bugattis-new-...
How do you think does the back seat headroom of Galibier compare with Porsche Panamera?
The rear view of that looks a lot like the Porsche.
I like it, and being a Bugatti, and for what they are going to charge for it... it had better have a
way
more spacious and luxurious backseat.
I still can't get used to the idea of some of these nameplates having 4 doors & backseats. I'm still waiting to see if Lambo will give the go on their 4-door. If they do, Ferrari will surely follow.
Maybe Bugatti followed Ferrari and Lambo are a step behind. Ferrari have already done it.........And I would have one in a heart beat
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I bet that beast tail slides with ease!
I want mine in black.
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ShaneG wrote
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I want mine in black.
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See! That's sexy!
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chornedsnorkack wrote
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At some point, everybody and their dog was planning sporty 4-doors.
Is Aston Martin Rapide still going forward?
Seems it is.
But the specifications are worrying.
http://www.astonmartin.com/eng/thecars/rapide/specification
502 cm long - but 136 cm high.
A photo they show:
http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/aston-martin-rapide-production/#11
But this does not quite clarify the amount of headroom - and Panamera, 6 cm higher, has been critizised for poor headroom.
Numbers do matter, except for dwarves maybe.
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