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Help Barb get her CRJ 700! (Read 3653 times)
May 19
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Conversation last night:
Me to my hubby: "Hey, do you like it? It's our new CRJ paint!"
Him: "Umm... we're not buying it for our airline (FS Passengers)."
Typical, raining on my parade...
"Why not?"
"Look! It only carries 70 passengers, and for the price we might as well download another 737 to earn more $$ per flight."
"But.... "
Okay, so is there any advantage to the CRJ 700 over the 737 on real life routes?
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May 20
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Get in and out of smaller airfields? More economical on fuel
There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!
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Depends on the routes you would use. You may be better off with the CRJ on routes from hubs to small airfields, whereas the 737 may be better on routes between hubs.
Overall, I would use 737s mainly at fairly sizable airfields, and CRJs to get into the niche regional regions.
Here is a list of airliners by seat-capacity, for what its worth to you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliners_by_seat_capacity
Obviously not all inclusive, but it should give you a general idea of what to look for.
You might also want to take a look at the Dash-8
Q400
. Seats around 70 and is very economical. (turboprop)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Dash_8
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May 20
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Sean_TK wrote
on May 20
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You might also want to take a look at the Dash-8
Q400
. Seats around 70 and is very economical. (turboprop)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Dash_8
Just make sure to tighten the lug nuts.
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May 20
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Yeah, buy some spare tires and you'll be fine.
EDIT: And if you want to scare & deafen Greenpeace *or any other environmental/noise control organization, take a Tupolev! (A Tu-134 to be exact!)
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May 20
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Sean_TK wrote
on May 20
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Yeah, buy some spare tires and you'll be fine.
EDIT: And if you want to scare & deafen Greenpeace *or any other environmental/noise control organization, take a Tupolev! (A Tu-134 to be exact!)
A passenger modified C-5A Galaxy could work too! They do call it FRED... Freaking Ridiculous Environmental Disaster.
Or if you're looking for speed... There's always the XB-70... It does have a bomb-bay...
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Like the others said, the CRJ would be able to fly you into more airports as it can probably land on shorter runways than a 737.
That and it looks much prettier than a 737 in my opinion, but that's a whole different thread topic
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Thanks guys, I appreciate your expertise!
Well, I bought it anyways, I took my husband's advice "under advisement"
As with the actual Lufthansa flights, I did a Dusseldorf -> Nice, which was fun. It seems like the plane has a higher take-off / landing speed than the 737-800, so can it really go to smaller airports?
It also seems to burn quite a lot of fuel! I wonder if in real life it's really that cost economical.
-Barb
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May 21
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For what it is worth, here is my input. The CRJ is an illegitimate son of a lady who works odd hours on a Saturday night and does not have time to pull her underpants up........from a maintenance point of view that is. It is a horrible little aircraft. Any aircraft that you have to climb over the centre console to get into the cockpit should have been put down at birth
Give me a 737 NG over the CRJ anytime.
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May 21
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expat wrote
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, 2009 at 3:20am:
For what it is worth, here is my input. The CRJ is an illegitimate son of a lady who works odd hours on a Saturday night and does not have time to pull her underpants up........from a maintenance point of view that is. It is a horrible little aircraft.
Wow, you certainly seem to have a lot of experience with the CRJ. It would be neat if the maintenance specific to each aircraft was modeled within FS Passengers such that the "cost to own" is reflected.
Just wondering: What makes one plane so much harder to maintain than another?
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Barbr wrote
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, 2009 at 12:25am:
It also seems to burn quite a lot of fuel!
Check the fuel burn rate in the aircraft.cfg file.
I had a Citation 2 that came with fuel burn rate correction. Turns out it was the same model as another one I have. It had a poor range even at cruising speed. Changed it from 2.5 to 1.5 and got an increase in range of 600-700nm.
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Barbr wrote
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, 2009 at 12:26pm:
expat wrote
on May 21
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, 2009 at 3:20am:
For what it is worth, here is my input. The CRJ is an illegitimate son of a lady who works odd hours on a Saturday night and does not have time to pull her underpants up........from a maintenance point of view that is. It is a horrible little aircraft.
Wow, you certainly seem to have a lot of experience with the CRJ. It would be neat if the maintenance specific to each aircraft was modeled within FS Passengers such that the "cost to own" is reflected.
Just wondering: What makes one plane so much harder to maintain than another?
The CRJ is just a Challenger on steroids, so from a maintenance point of view it has everything shoehorned in to very small spaces. Under the cabin for example, accessed from under the aircraft is an avionics compartment that runs just about the length of the aircraft. My shoulders touch the side walls. You lay on your back, belly or side when working here. If small tight places are not your cup of tea, then this aircraft will not be one of your favorites to work with. Also brake units and main wheels are changed on your knees with with the back of your neck pressed up against the underside of the wing. I changed an APU once and myself and the guy with me nearly put her on her tail due to the C of G being changed by two guys doing a two man task
Matt
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May 21
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aussiewannabe wrote
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Check the fuel burn rate in the aircraft.cfg file.
I had a Citation 2 that came with fuel burn rate correction. Turns out it was the same model as another one I have. It had a poor range even at cruising speed. Changed it from 2.5 to 1.5 and got an increase in range of 600-700nm.
How would one find the "correct" number?
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This also begs the question in regard to your flying style. If you are using excessive engine power for flight operations, you will probably have a bit of a fuel issue.
Once again, purely from an economic standpoint. (While keeping in mind desired seat capacity.) I recommend the following:
Dash-8 Q400
SAAB 2000
Fokker 50
Fairchild Metroliner
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May 21
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Barbr wrote
on May 21
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, 2009 at 3:42pm:
How would one find the "correct" number?
Here's what I've found:
fuel_flow_scalar (found in aircraft.cfg) - Scalar for modifying the fuel flow required by the engine(s). A value of less than 1.0 causes a slower fuel consumption for a given power setting, a value greater than 1.0 causes the aircraft to burn more fuel for a given power setting.
Examples:
Airbus A321( fuel_flow_scalar = 1 )
Aircreation582SL( fuel_flow_scalar= 1.000 )
Boeing 747-400( fuel_flow_scalar = 1.0 )
Beech Baron 58( fuel_flow_scalar= 0.9 )
I found this for a POSKY CRJ-700
fuel_flow_scalar = 1.035
Sean is right. You might be using excessive engine power which is burning your fuel more than it should.
Below 10,000 ft, you should not exceed 250kts (approx. .37 mach). I'm sure there are some charts online that show what speed the CRJ-700 should be at certain altitudes as you climb. I see that the max for this AC is .86 mach. There are converters online such as
http://www.unitconversion.org/unit_converter/velocity-ex.html
if you would rather go by knots.
Does your AC come with an autothrottle (A/T) switch by chance?
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aussiewannabe wrote
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, 2009 at 5:48pm:
Sean is right. You might be using excessive engine power which is burning your fuel more than it should.
Below 10,000 ft, you should not exceed 250kts (approx. .37 mach). I'm sure there are some charts online that show what speed the CRJ-700 should be at certain altitudes as you climb. I see that the max for this AC is .86 mach. There are converters online such as
http://www.unitconversion.org/unit_converter/velocity-ex.html
if you would rather go by knots.
Does your AC come with an autothrottle (A/T) switch by chance?
Chris
Thanks for the advice -- my other half said that he'll look into the programming for me as soon as I watch Terminator 3 and Salvation with him (not a bad deal!
)... he was playing around with some free aircraft sounds last night and made a lot of our AI traffic with roaring rumbling engines now... pretty cool!
Not sure if this is anywhere close to realistic, my usual routine is as follows:
1) Take off around 160kts, depending on the a/c,
2) Climb at around 3000ft/min and at 220-230kts, usually meaning about 70-80% engine,
3) Once I pass 10000ft, I increase the autothrottle to about 290kts,
4) Back down to about 2300ft/min by FL180, keep it at about 290kts,
5) By about FL250, I reduce the climb to 1500ft/min or so, and leave it at a cruising mach.
Does that sound about right?
Thanks,
-Barb
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Looks good to me
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Looks like a good flight profile to me too. Obviously you will encounter differences depending on the aircraft, but that plan seems good as a generic setup.
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As a general rule, when I'm trying to test the fuel efficiency of any aircraft, I start up a flight and just let it fly straight, going as far as it can before it runs out of fuel. Take into account the amount of fuel you need to get it down and on the ground, including at least 45 minutes minimum fuel reserve for IFR flights, and then compare the distance you traveled to the range listed in the specs. Adjust fuel consumption accordingly.
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