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Kept Quiet!?! (Read 598 times)
May 14
th
, 2009 at 1:28am
U4EA
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New Airbus......$200,000,000
Crew Training...$2,000,000
Aircraft prep.....$200,000
Totalling that puppy without ever getting close to a runway....
.......you know it!.....
PRICELESS
!!!
A brand spanking new Airbus 340-600,the largest
passenger airplane ever built, sits just outside its hangar
in Toulouse , France without a single hour of airtime.
Enter the flight crew to conduct pre-delivery tests on the ground, such as engine run-ups prior to delivery to Etihad Airways in Abu Dhabi .
The crew taxied the A340-600 to the run-up area.
Then they took all Four engines to takeoff power with a
virtually empty aircraft. Not having read the run-up
manuals, they had no clue just how light an empty
A340-600 Really is.
The takeoff warning horn was blaring away in the cockpit
because they had All 4 engines at full power.
The aircraft computers thought they were trying to take off,
but it had not been configured properly (flaps/slats, etc..)
Then one of the crew decided to pull the circuit
breaker on the Ground Proximity Sensor to silence the alarm.
This fools the aircraft into thinking it is in the air.
The computers automatically released all the Brakes
and set the aircraft rocketing forward.
The crew had no idea that this is a safety feature
so that pilots can't land with the brakes on.
Not one member of the seven-man crew was smart enough to throttle back the engines from their max power setting, so the
$200 million brand-new Aircraft crashed into a blast
barrier, totaling it.
The extent of injuries to the crew is unknown due to the
news blackout in the major media in France and elsewhere.
Finally, the photos are starting to leak out.
Airbus $200 million aircraft meets retaining wall, and the wall wins!
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May 14
th
, 2009 at 1:41am
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wow, some 'crew'. I don't think they had any business 'testing' an aircraft without sufficient knowledge, training, and experience.
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May 14
th
, 2009 at 1:54am
U4EA
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I got this in an e-mail today from an old friend. I absolutely cannot verify it's authenticity other than that is a new,
very wrecked
, Airbus, despite a couple hours of searching....
Talk about a "national" secret!!!
I just hope their stupidity did not leave any lasting injuries. Possibly they're just dumb and not stupid......"You can educate dumb, but you can't fix stupid!"
PLUS, no one wanted to upset their delicate sensiblities? How contrived!
Would someone pass the ketchup for my AMERICAN fries please!
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May 14
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, 2009 at 2:33am
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"How contrived", indeed...
I'm tempted to lock this one, but it's a worthy aviation-related story, so I'd just like to offer some perspective for now.
It really happened, but this popular version adds a bunch of lies to it in order to... well, it's pretty obvious why.
Believe who you want, but give this a look first:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/etihad.asp
One might also find French press coverage of the incident... the local aviation authorities did, in fact, release a 30-page report on the accident (there's a link to it in the Snopes article). I'm not going to start searching for
Paris Match
or
Le Monde
articles, but I'll bet that if the French press was reluctant to tell about it, it was more out of national embarrassment (French company's test, at a French airport) than out of fear of upsetting Muslim sensibilities.
My gut feeling is that the French press was all over this- they have papers, magazines, and airtime for sponsor's commercials to sell just like journalists everywhere. This titanic blunder was the kind of stuff any journalist dreams about. The French government does not have total, arbitrary control over the French media. They can't stop french citizens from looking online, either. I just don't buy any assertion that it was somehow "blacked out" in France, yet was all over the world press- including the Internet- right away.
The accident, according to the report, was blamed mostly on the actions (and inaction) of the Airbus employee who was in the left seat (and basically in charge). I cannot find details of his nationality, etc.
Maybe he is an Arab, or a Muslim... but he might be a Catholic. Or a Unitarian. Or a Hare Krishna. Really doesn't matter, nor does race, ethnicity, nationality, faith, sexual orientation, eye color, left or right-handedness, or gender have any direct correlation to intellect or plain old common sense. And no, talking to cats does not make you a witch (just thought I'd mention that).
I have yet to see anyone prove otherwise. I'm always eager to see the evidence, but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for that.
These guys just screwed up, as techs and pilots the world over have done since the airplane was invented. No particular group has a monopoly on SNAFU.
Am I willing to believe
somebody
, claiming to represent Arabs, or Muslims, or Frenchmen, has tried to block this story? Absolutely! The reason? They think
exactly the same way as those who decided to disseminate this story as "proof" that "those people" are inherently stupid, and can't handle the truth
... they know that a lie, if you shout it often enough and loudly enough, might eventually block people's view of what's right in front of their noses.
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May 14
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, 2009 at 3:05am
U4EA
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I did not even think of Snopes! My bad!
I didn't put it on here to offend anyone. Lord knows there's stupid people everywhere. Some fatally stupid, like the Buffalo commuter crash. That pilot's lack of whatever, training or braining, needlessly victimized all aboard.
Thanx for the clarification! It was in between bouts of severe weather that I was occupying myself with lookin' around for some sort of validation to this wreck story. Silly me never thought to google the craft's airline label.
DAMN! Tornado sirens going off again! BAck to the NWS & SPC sites to see what's coming.....
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May 14
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So this is the 2nd time an Airbus Has done this in the test phase, both do to human error. They really need to not let the people get in the plane until delivery to that country, then they can brake it there.
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May 14
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There's a pic of this on airliners.net...picture taken on November 16th 2007. No exact details of what happened apart from that it jumped its chocks during engine tests the day before...but still, if what you posted is true about the crew (not saying it's you're theory alone )
, then um...woops!
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May 14
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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
on May 14
th
, 2009 at 4:49am:
So this is the 2nd time an Airbus Has done this in the test phase, both do to human error.
This happened in 2007. Have you got details of the other incident?
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They really need to not let the people get in the plane until delivery to that country, then they can brake it there.
If I remember correctly the aircraft was being ground run by an Airbus technician when the accident happened. I presume that he was properly trained & qualified & that this is normal practice before the customer accepts delivery of a new aircraft.
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May 14
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, 2009 at 5:50pm
U4EA
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I've known some auto plant test drivers that smooshed cars right off the line on the testrack.
But this is off the chain if it happened twice!
I'm jus' sayin'!
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May 14
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I have to say whoever has the time to create and circulate these e-mails needs a real job. It clearly has some biased language and inaccurate information
U4EA wrote
on May 14
th
, 2009 at 3:05am:
I didn't put it on here to offend anyone. Lord knows there's stupid people everywhere. Some fatally stupid, like the Buffalo commuter crash. That pilot's lack of whatever, training or braining, needlessly victimized all aboard.
Not so sure it was stupidity that caused the buffalo accident. Its starting to sound like bad company policy and enforcement on sleep requirements for pilots. I read just yesterday that the 2nd in command of the plane made $16,000 last year. In 2006, I made $17,000 pumping gas.
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May 14
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, 2009 at 10:29pm
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Hagar wrote
on May 14
th
, 2009 at 7:16am:
OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
on May 14
th
, 2009 at 4:49am:
So this is the 2nd time an Airbus Has done this in the test phase, both do to human error.
This happened in 2007. Have you got details of the other incident?
Quote:
They really need to not let the people get in the plane until delivery to that country, then they can brake it there.
If I remember correctly the aircraft was being ground run by an Airbus technician when the accident happened. I presume that he was properly trained & qualified & that this is normal practice before the customer accepts delivery of a new aircraft.
I thought it looked familiar, never mind, some one here posted it then back in 2007 when this first happened. This sparked a list of run procedures being brought up by those of us that work around planes.
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May 15
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, 2009 at 2:06am
U4EA
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"Not so sure it was stupidity that caused the buffalo accident."
I said "training or braining". But it looks like the 'combo-platter', BOTH!
If the first reaction is to pull back on the yoke in a situation like they were presented, as compared to denting the dashboard slamming the throttles forward while pushing for nose down, then I'd say my guesstimation may hold water.
Lack of a vital "something" led to that catastrophically inapropriate response. The fatigue and pay issues look to me to be rather moot points. IMHO.
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U4EA wrote
on May 15
th
, 2009 at 2:06am:
"Not so sure it was stupidity that caused the buffalo accident."
I said "training or braining". But it looks like the 'combo-platter', BOTH!
If the first reaction is to pull back on the yoke in a situation like they were presented, as compared to denting the dashboard slamming the throttles forward while pushing for nose down, then I'd say my guesstimation may hold water.
Lack of a vital "something" led to that catastrophically inapropriate response. The fatigue and pay issues look to me to be rather moot points. IMHO.
If you lacked sleep, would you want to go fly an airliner full of people? If you got paid less than the guy putting gas in your plane and had to commute across the country, would you be able to afford a hotel room? Laying this simply on "pilot error" is the kind of thinking that was left behind by HF researchers decades ago.
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The Ruptured Duck wrote
on May 14
th
, 2009 at 7:01pm:
I have to say whoever has the time to create and circulate these e-mails needs a real job. It clearly has some biased language and inaccurate information
U4EA wrote
on May 14
th
, 2009 at 3:05am:
I didn't put it on here to offend anyone. Lord knows there's stupid people everywhere. Some fatally stupid, like the Buffalo commuter crash. That pilot's lack of whatever, training or braining, needlessly victimized all aboard.
Not so sure it was stupidity that caused the buffalo accident. Its starting to sound like bad company policy and enforcement on sleep requirements for pilots. I read just yesterday that the 2nd in command of the plane made $16,000 last year. In 2006, I made $17,000 pumping gas.
Off Topic but Ive always wondered, pilots go through hundreds of training hours and most airline pilots go to college for it and they get paid next to nothing to fly a sophisticated aircraft but somehow your pay moves up several tax brackets when you transfer to a slightly bigger plane like a 737?
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