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Reply #45 - May 14^th, 2009 at 12:38pm

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You OWE ME A NEW KEYBOARD!

I Just SPIT and spilled my coffee!

THATSA RIOT! Grin

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Reply #46 - May 14^th, 2009 at 12:43pm

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AND I LIKE EATIN ZIP FILES TOO!

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Reply #47 - May 14^th, 2009 at 12:52pm

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You spilled your coffee, Nick? PUH!

I almost had an stroke laughed so hard!

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Reply #48 - May 14^th, 2009 at 1:25pm

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LMAO!!!

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Reply #49 - May 14^th, 2009 at 1:27pm

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[quote author=wiiliketofly link=1242216850/30#44 date=1242316233
Nick has spoken. [/quote]

And, as usual, has said something intelligent!

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Reply #50 - May 14^th, 2009 at 1:47pm

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It's making news over this side of the pond

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8049780.stm

Have just been wandering around the web, and have looked at the site which is owned by the person who at the moment is being accused of the hack. I guess there is no point in hiding his name. It's all over the avsim forums plus he has even spoken about this accusation at his own free will.

This is his statement:

Morning Everyone,

Well this is a kick in the teeth aint it.

There are two issues here it seems.

1. Mass Mail - Lets hit that cookie. Yes, I send out mass emails each email has an opt out service the emails are collected by SF sources as well as some other sites that I run as part of my business, its not related to avsim.

2. Avsim got hacked.... Well I actually have inside information on this one, I am doubtful that it was hacked, its likley to be a service failure, I have much conversation history with thier guys to back this up but in all honesty I want nothing to do with it so I will not post it...... They need a henchman.

After I spoke with Gareth this morning I asked him to lock this thread to stop speculation and conjecture, because that is all it is, the facts are presented here and it need no go any further.

Kindest Regards

Phil

What does everyone make of this statement then? Before I read his post, I had actually chosen my side...maybe I have jumped the gun, so after reading his statement, I think all that we can do now is just watch what happens, rather than point the blame at someone without a mass of evidence.

Simfly forum discussing the hack: http://www.simfly.eu/viewtopic.php?t=4778&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

Alec

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Reply #51 - May 14^th, 2009 at 1:49pm

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You know what?

I think the entire subject of HACK and who did it should not be discussed and I am going to repost something I did over at AVSIM about this

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Until such time as a proper investigation has made a fair and accurate conclusion based on information none of us have at our disposal this subject should not be discussed in public as it serves no purpose other than to further the wrong attitudes and considerations. In fact it can very much backfire and make matters worse.

Any goverment agency (agent), security/legal firm or case manager for a crime would say the exact same thing and would not endorse making any public statement(s) especially when an investigation could be pending.

Guilty or not of a hack crime or malicious access.. he did use AVSIM email data/information underhanded.

Regarding the rest until such time as the logs and the data to back them up have been reviewed there is no reason to go on internet Witch Hunts.

He may be guilty as sin.. and yes, there are 3 other possible explanations which could have come about in coincidence that have nothing to do with this person.

Until such time as it is confirmed/denied from the RIGHT SOURCE I suggest the entire subject of who-dun-it be canned

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Reply #52 - May 14^th, 2009 at 1:59pm

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Very true Nick. I'm not looking at making accusations here, I'm just simply passing on information. I'm very interested in seeing the final outcome of this subject, and I think that goes for everyone really.

Alec

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Reply #53 - May 14^th, 2009 at 2:12pm

Alejandro Rojas L. Ex Member
I Love Simviation.

I say the same exact thing posts ago when I began to see serius accusations blaming X entity like ,you, me, the monster of the snow , the Aliens, Jimmie Hoffa , without any LEGAL prove is bad.

Innocent until guilty is proven , but no buddy reads me Cry

anyway , sites like this one usually not as big (In size HDD) as we think , I think I have more occupied space in my two main PC 2 terabytes ,Videos, music , etc,

Big servers as SimV or avsim should have 4 hdd units 500Gb and backup once a week, DISCONECT the drives from the servers is logical if an important site such of avsim ,and if they didn't take the caution is unbelievable Shocked

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Reply #54 - May 14^th, 2009 at 2:34pm

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Nick and Alrot are correct in this.

All these post-laden internet discussions popping up everywhere of "who is to blame" or even "what happened" are just a waste of bandwidth.

Other than the principals in this matter, none of us has ANY real facts about the case. And remember that when the principals post information, it will always be biased to favor their point of view.

Cutting to the chase.......

Avsim is down, something happened to their servers, they may or may not come online again, and the disappearance of their file library and the support forums for numerous freeware and payware developers is and will be missed until it is back online.

End of story.

Everything else is "spin".

SimV is still here, our forums are active and intact, we have tons of files in our librarys and scads of tutorials and such. We certainly feel for the loss to the community, but we continue on as we must.

best,

..................john

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Reply #55 - May 14^th, 2009 at 5:09pm

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it seems it's man's nature to point a finger, justified or not....my wife does it to me all the time.....

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Reply #56 - May 14^th, 2009 at 6:19pm

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oh crap!!!!!!! no more WOAI either.

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Reply #57 - May 14^th, 2009 at 6:47pm

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Cessna172150 wrote on May 14^th, 2009 at 6:19pm:

oh crap!!!!!!! no more WOAI either.

WoAI packages are still available. Click the file name on the right instead of the airline name.

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Reply #58 - May 14^th, 2009 at 6:57pm

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NickN wrote on May 14^th, 2009 at 1:49pm:

You know what?

I think the entire subject of HACK and who did it should not be discussed and I am going to repost something I did over at AVSIM about this

I agree, Nick. There have been two "incidents" that've occurred back-to-back over the past few days:

1. Spam email was sent from a server owned by Phil Dawson, who has admitted to this publically.

It has been demonstrated that many of the email addresses used by Phil were only known to have been used for AVSIM logins, but even that proves nothing. It is certainly evidence; but is not of itself proof.

2. AVSIM's two servers had their HD's partitions destroyed as near simultaneously as makes no difference.

The fact that Phil had been given the "keys to the car" so to speak nothwithstanding, it remains only a coincidence, not a proof of any responsibility for #2 having occurred.

Now I will conceed that if a steaming pile smells like dog poop it probably is, but... Wink

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Reply #59 - May 14^th, 2009 at 7:14pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on May 14^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:

NickN wrote on May 14^th, 2009 at 1:49pm:

You know what?

I think the entire subject of HACK and who did it should not be discussed and I am going to repost something I did over at AVSIM about this

I agree, Nick. There have been two "incidents" that've occurred back-to-back over the past few days:

1. Spam email was sent from a server owned by Phil Dawson, who has admitted to this publically.

It has been demonstrated that many of the email addresses used by Phil were only known to have been used for AVSIM logins, but even that proves nothing. It is certainly evidence; but is not of itself proof.

2. AVSIM's two servers had their HD's partitions destroyed as near simultaneously as makes no difference.

The fact that Phil had been given the "keys to the car" so to speak nothwithstanding, it remains only a coincidence, not a proof of any responsibility for #2 having occurred.

Now I will conceed that if a steaming pile smells like dog poop it probably is, but... Wink

I dont disagree with any of that and I traced the spam I got back to the parent company you know who works for so I know who did the nasty with the email addresses

As for the rest there are a few other possibilities and unless there is something that defines a time stamp connection to 'you know who' even a circumstantial one there is no guilty party.

No worries.. I learned a long time ago that the dog pile sitting in the middle of the pretty flowers establishes the fact that the dog was there... the problem is, which dog and who was walking it.

Someone from the same place may have been walking the dog that day.. does not mean its the same person

and there are 2 other possibilities too

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