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May 5th, 2009 at 9:42pm

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Making fun of NASCAR fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDrWrYwIBB8

On the left is Robin Miller, American open wheel journalist, and on the right is Bob Varsha, commentator for the US broadcast of Formula 1.  If I had a nickel everytime I've heard those lines before from a mindless NASCAR fanatic.......

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Reply #1 - May 6th, 2009 at 11:03pm

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Nothing, really?

Did I insult some mindless NASCAR fans? Grin
 

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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2009 at 5:37am

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the end is a classic Grin
 
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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2009 at 8:22am

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Ok, so if you were to breed those two into one, that would be me. Wink
(Minus all the Junior B.S., I can't stand Dale Jr. Tongue)

Not all Nascar fans are red-necks, they just created it Grin.
A small percentage of us did start out in open wheel and made an open spot in our hearts for this form of racing. Wink  I'll watch bicycles race if it's the only racing on tv. Cool

But honestly, is the Indy 500 really that popular in Europe? Huh  I always thought it to be a faster, backwards, Nascar race, with less wrecks. If you hate watching cars just drive in a circle (as seems to be the biggest complaint with Nascar) then the Indy 500 should just simply drive you to tears with boredom. Huh

Let them do the 500 on the road course there, that would be entertaining. Cheesy

Monte Carlo Now that's a race Cool.
 
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Reply #4 - May 7th, 2009 at 10:06am

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To me the 500 is one of the highlights of the year, Its not so much the going round in circles, its the fact that its one of the toughest tracks on the calender. 225mph close behind another car into turns 1 and 2 takes tremendous skill with minimal downforce. My hope is one day something could be worked out so like the old days, the indy 500 would be part of the championship calender.
The road course is completely differant at indy now the F1 dropped it and the bikes picked it up.  And to be fair it was never the most difficult of tracks to begin with.
 
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Reply #5 - May 7th, 2009 at 10:14am

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I'm not saying it isn't tough, I just don't understand how Nascar can be mindless, while Indy, which you must admit, that while faster(but not by much), are incredibly easier to drive than a stock car. Take the wing off that indy car and give it a spoiler. Grin  Now go 225 around that corner. Inches from other cars. Shocked

  It's all good racing, no matter the vehicle in my eyes. Bike racing however, is insanity! Grin  Special breed those guys. Cool  I didn't know they raced at the Indy r.c. now.
 
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Reply #6 - May 7th, 2009 at 11:22am

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Indy cars are NOT incredibly easier to drive.  No power steering + higher G loads in the corners.  At atlanta Nascar averages 195 mph , at Indy they are around 225 in qualifying trim (fastest ever was 239) and 30 mph makes a big difference in how you drive a car.  Get something strait bub nascar isnt about racing, its about entertainment.

I used to be a nascar fan, until i got bored and found F1, indy, le mans.

And you brought the redneck thing up, that commercial was more about nascar fans who think nascar is the only thing out there
 

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Reply #7 - May 7th, 2009 at 12:01pm

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ShaneG wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 10:14am:
I'm not saying it isn't tough, I just don't understand how Nascar can be mindless, while Indy, which you must admit, that while faster(but not by much), are incredibly easier to drive than a stock car. Take the wing off that indy car and give it a spoiler. Grin  Now go 225 around that corner. Inches from other cars. Shocked

 It's all good racing, no matter the vehicle in my eyes. Bike racing however, is insanity! Grin  Special breed those guys. Cool  I didn't know they raced at the Indy r.c. now.

I agree all racing is good, and this is not to take away from Nascar but it is a much simpler form of motorsport. It's designed to be. You have a few things on the car you can change to the setup and at the end of the day you have to drive through your problem. Because nascar dont take Indy flat out they break for the turns, it means the cars are easier to push through the turn. With the indy cars, they are foot to the floor every single lap, they enter the turn as fast as they are going and the exit it as fast as the g-forces will let them. That requires pinpoint accuracy, balls and a bit of luck. It amazes me watching the onboards at circuits like indy and the true ovals like Atlanta, The now gone nashville and so on, the reaction times these guys have, saving a car doing those speeds from going sideways.
I enjoy nascar from an entertainment point of view because it is fun watching these oversized over powered cars doing 190mph round the ovals.. I enjoy indy from a motor racing fans point of view because I know how hard it is to get these cars to a point where they can drive flat out for 3-4-500 miles at 220mph.
The main thing is every series could learn from each other how to make things more fan friendly. I think Nascar for instance could do with learning from F1 and freeing up what teams can do (yes the irony on that is not lost on me considering the latest FIA things)
I think F1 could learn from Indy and Nascar, and make the sport more accesible to the fans. Everyone can buy a pitlane pass to nascar and indy races, in F1 you need to be invited into the pit lane. Drivers are not required to sign autographs, and they only have to be made avaliable to the media for a set time. I think considering how they only have half the races of a nascar season, they could at least dedicate a little more time to meeting the fans and generally bringing us closer to the sport.
 
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Reply #8 - May 7th, 2009 at 12:34pm

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 11:22am:
Indy cars are NOT incredibly easier to drive.  No power steering + higher G loads in the corners.  At atlanta Nascar averages 195 mph , at Indy they are around 225 in qualifying trim (fastest ever was 239) and 30 mph makes a big difference in how you drive a car.


But...

Indy cars are smaller, lighter, and full of aerodynamic bits just for that. Stock cars are bricks with too much power that shouldn't be doing the things they do.  But either way, they are both fun as hell to watch. Smiley


The Ruptured Duck wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 11:22am:
 Get something strait bub nascar isnt about racing, its about entertainment.


True, but I still think it's a good mix of both. Tell Kyle Busch it's more about entertainment. or JPM. Those two are the reason I watch. They just want to win. Everything else is just an obstacle on the path to victory. (The Rumors about Kyle going to F1 would be nice if it were true)


The Ruptured Duck wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 11:22am:
I used to be a nascar fan, until i got bored and found F1, indy, le mans.


Grin I'm the exact other way around. I got bored with what seemed to be turning into the follow Michale Shumacher, and Audi R8 show and just started watching Nascar more. Yes the passing is meaningless there, but it's there, and it gives something to watch.  I think the races should be shorter. I understand the endurance part of it. But the last 100-50 laps are the only ones worth watching. Wink


The Ruptured Duck wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 11:22am:
And you brought the redneck thing up, that commercial was more about nascar fans who think nascar is the only thing out there


I wasn't trying to be confrontational about it. The southern draw of the actor in the film implies that he is such. It is the world view of Nascar. It's how I view it. I just happen to like it. Grin



Craig. wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 12:01pm:
ShaneG wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 10:14am:
I'm not saying it isn't tough, I just don't understand how Nascar can be mindless, while Indy, which you must admit, that while faster(but not by much), are incredibly easier to drive than a stock car. Take the wing off that indy car and give it a spoiler. Grin  Now go 225 around that corner. Inches from other cars. Shocked

  It's all good racing, no matter the vehicle in my eyes. Bike racing however, is insanity! Grin  Special breed those guys. Cool  I didn't know they raced at the Indy r.c. now.

I agree all racing is good, and this is not to take away from Nascar but it is a much simpler form of motorsport. It's designed to be. You have a few things on the car you can change to the setup and at the end of the day you have to drive through your problem. Because nascar dont take Indy flat out they break for the turns, it means the cars are easier to push through the turn. With the indy cars, they are foot to the floor every single lap, they enter the turn as fast as they are going and the exit it as fast as the g-forces will let them. That requires pinpoint accuracy, balls and a bit of luck. It amazes me watching the onboards at circuits like indy and the true ovals like Atlanta, The now gone nashville and so on, the reaction times these guys have, saving a car doing those speeds from going sideways.
I enjoy nascar from an entertainment point of view because it is fun watching these oversized over powered cars doing 190mph round the ovals.. I enjoy indy from a motor racing fans point of view because I know how hard it is to get these cars to a point where they can drive flat out for 3-4-500 miles at 220mph.
The main thing is every series could learn from each other how to make things more fan friendly. I think Nascar for instance could do with learning from F1 and freeing up what teams can do (yes the irony on that is not lost on me considering the latest FIA things)
I think F1 could learn from Indy and Nascar, and make the sport more accesible to the fans. Everyone can buy a pitlane pass to nascar and indy races, in F1 you need to be invited into the pit lane. Drivers are not required to sign autographs, and they only have to be made avaliable to the media for a set time. I think considering how they only have half the races of a nascar season, they could at least dedicate a little more time to meeting the fans and generally bringing us closer to the sport.



Pretty much my view of things also. Smiley
 
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Reply #9 - May 7th, 2009 at 12:38pm

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I miss Bill Elliot. nascar in the 80's and early 90''s was my favorite time for Nascar
 
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Reply #10 - May 7th, 2009 at 5:23pm

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scalper_old wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 12:38pm:
I miss Bill Elliot. nascar in the 80's and early 90''s was my favorite time for Nascar

I miss Dale Jarrett

Shane, you seem to miss the concept of what "G Loading" is.  True indycars are lighter, which makes them able to take turns faster (higher G's), however the weight of the driver is still the same, meaning the driver is subjected to more G loading.  Like Craig said, a stock car brakes going into the turn, which puts weight on the front wheels and makes it easier to turn despite the weight of the car.  Also a stock cars suspension is set up much more loose than an indycar or F1, the latter being the most stiffly sprung cars in the world.  This absorbs the effects of the bumps on the track, and when driving on a street circuit, road corse, or bumpy oval (TMS) an indycar or F1 driver will feel each bump in the road.  The steering wheel jerks, the balence of the car is upset, and the driver has to correct.
 

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Reply #11 - May 7th, 2009 at 7:59pm

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You need to watch these 'COTs' then. They ride around the oval on their bump stops pretty much the whole way around, and judging by the extreme amount of sawing I see the drivers doing on the steering wheels, I'd say they're correcting.

They have bumpy tracks too, it's just a shame that ISC keeps smoothing the tracks out, the killer turn 4 bumps at Texas and Lowes were real treats on last lap dash for the wins.

  I enjoy it all, not placing one over another, each has it's purpose and market, hell, even monster truck racing is fun to watch,(and even better to see in person. Grin)

  When the Indy 500 comes on, I'll be glued to the tv, unless Marlboro sends us tickets again like last year, every year we get them for Kentucky, but last year they sent us Indy tickets. Cool
 
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Reply #12 - May 13th, 2009 at 2:54am
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ShaneG wrote on May 7th, 2009 at 7:59pm:
You need to watch these 'COTs' then. They ride around the oval on their bump stops pretty much the whole way around, and judging by the extreme amount of sawing I see the drivers doing on the steering wheels, I'd say they're correcting.


Ima thinkin', as are a few of my race buds, that bringing back bias tires for the COT(oday) would be a cool thing.

The 1990 Watkins Glen race where Earnhardt and Rusty were four wheel driftin' the living snot out of most all of the high(er) speed turns was a sight to behold!  IMHO!
 
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