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Alphasim B-58- landing help? (Read 454 times)
Apr 16th, 2009 at 7:47am

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Somebody have experience with that bird?
I bought the B-58 Hustler from Alphasim. Great cold war bomber, outstanding model, but I can´t land it.  Embarrassed

A great part of the manual is about landing, I tried all (AoA, speed, weight) but 9 of 10 times, ending with a bad landing. Its frustrating 'cos is a joy to fly.

I think the tendency to bounce and lift in landings is over expresed. Is a heavy aircraft after all...
If somebody have a trick, advise or even a config-file editing ....

 
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Reply #1 - Apr 17th, 2009 at 10:12am

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I have the B-58 from AlphaSim and have flown it exclusively for abt 2 years and I still have some landings that bounce on touchdown. Have you tried looking at the landing movie that is located in the aircraft config file? I should also ask if you have the upgrade for the B-58?
The best advice I can give to you is ;
  1- Do not land with alot of fuel still onboard. 30% or less is much more manageable as the aircraft wiil sink like a rock once airspeed goes under 200 kts
2- You have to stay on the throttle until touchdown. I usually make approaches at 200 - 250 knots while watching the vasis.
3- Fly the aircraft onto the  runway, do not try to finesse your way down, this thing is a beast and you have to have know when to pour on the juice and when to backoff the throttle.
It took me many hours to perfect my procedure for landing and I have heard that from every body that has flown this model, so do not be so hard on yourself and stick with it and once you can land this baby, you will feel prety good. And every other plane will seem so much easier.
Check some B-58 websites and do some reading on this bird and read some of the comments by the guys that flew them. They all comment on the landing as being a challenge on every flight.
I think AlphaSim did a great job in modeling this plane with input from one of the B-58 pilots. It is a great plane to see FSX with at 22 miles a minute.      Hope this helps,  Skip
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 17th, 2009 at 6:31pm

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Thank you for the answer, I will follow your advises and hope I can do it better.
I have the upgrade, (FS9) as I bought the model recently and comes with it. I see the movie, they make touchdow at 150 kias aprox, I think is very slow but maybe the clue is the aircraft weight...as you said the best is stay in the throttles until the end.

I agree with you is a great model and a great design.
 
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Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 4:35pm

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I also had bought the B-58 for FS-9 and the good news is, it ports over just fine into FSX minus a couple of cockpit panels to the extreme right and left that really have no impact on the flying end.
I probably should have also mentioned this abt the landing of this bird. You can land nose up with a glide slope on the vasis, always on and off the throttles  to maintain over 200knots, or because there are no flaps, you can nose up abt 10 degees and "plow your way to the runway at low altitude with speed as the determining factor as to when you will touchdown. I do believe that is what is represented in the landing movie. Hope this does not confuse you.  Skip
 

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Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 5:24pm

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Bunky, thanks to your support post, I actualy settle down and made some good landings, I maybe post some pictures in the payware screenshots sections. Actualy follow your advise and read some real stuff from the web, it helps to underestand the aircraft.

I agree about that the speed is crucial, I actualy use the AP to mantain 220 in appr. and 175 over the runway, let to settlel (seems tend to lift because of the ground effect) and then dissengage the AP (ctr+R, Z) to cut the power... Is a mater of practice, practice...

 
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Reply #5 - May 14th, 2009 at 5:18pm

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Glad to hear you have had success with the landing part of this model. I was hoping to hear from other members who are familiar with this model and would be able to enlighten me as I definitely do not fly by the book, but the old seat of the pants and that was the way I was finally able to bring her in for a successful landing. And what a great feeling that is. Hope you continue to enjoy the B-58, it is definitely #1 in my hanger.
 

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