Simviation Forum - F1 predictions: China

Apr 14^th, 2009 at 4:35pm

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Bugger, forgot yesterday.. sorry.. Tongue

Anyway, you all know the drill, pick the podium for the Chinese GP this weekend. I'll also do the excel sheet this week for Australia and Malaysia.

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Reply #1 - Apr 14^th, 2009 at 5:02pm

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Lets wait until tomorrow. It might just be the Ferrari, Red Bull and McLaren show after tomorrow - can't have new regulations letting other teams dominate can we?

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Reply #2 - Apr 14^th, 2009 at 6:22pm

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Why do you think I haven't done my usual immediate prediction.. Wink

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Reply #3 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 3:25am

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I'm awaiting the the expected decision on the diffuser today before I make any prediction.
Knowing the FIA they'll declare it illegal because Ross Brawn, being an ex Ferrari employee, nicked the design from the current Ferrari designers, using Fernando Alonsso as a go between and Hamilton will be penalised for the rest of the season for being part of a team that helped him beat Massa to the world championship last season because Ross Brawn wasn't part of the Ferrari team. Grin

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Reply #4 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 4:16am

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eno wrote on Apr 15^th, 2009 at 3:25am:

I'm awaiting the the expected decision on the diffuser today before I make any prediction.
Knowing the FIA they'll declare it illegal because Ross Brawn, being an ex Ferrari employee, nicked the design from the current Ferrari designers, using Fernando Alonsso as a go between and Hamilton will be penalised for the rest of the season for being part of a team that helped him beat Massa to the world championship last season because Ross Brawn wasn't part of the Ferrari team. Grin

Reading the news from yesterday, the crux of Ferrari's argument seemed to be that Ross Brawn doesn't work for them any more, which is unfair, and that someone else is winning, which is unfair on them, McLaren and Renault!

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Reply #5 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 6:10am

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there you go its legal. Roll Eyes

So as the general thought is it'll be spain before the others really stand a chance of geting it on the car.

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Reply #6 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 7:40am

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OK ...... here goes nothing...

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Reply #7 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 12:21pm

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Reply #8 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 1:06pm

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Reply #9 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 1:29pm

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Interesting photo posted on Autosport.

It could be a photoshop. However Ferrari conducted one of the 8 allowable straightline tests at Viarano last week so it could be from there.
It wouldn't surprise me if 2 or 3 of the non diffuser teams appear at China or Bahrain with them. Mclaren clearly have the idea in mind with their normal diffuser as it has a semi circle shaped pod in the middle which looks very simple to cut out to create a tunnel simmilar to williams.
Red bull are the only team who will struggle to design an effective one quickly as their rear suspension is a push rod setup and the whole rear end is designed to be as small and inclusive as possible.

The running theory is photo shop lol.

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Reply #10 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 3:02pm

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Reply #11 - Apr 16^th, 2009 at 2:40am

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Reply #12 - Apr 16^th, 2009 at 1:47pm

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Any updates on the current standings in our points table Rob?

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Reply #13 - Apr 16^th, 2009 at 6:44pm

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cspyro21 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 1:47pm:

Button
Barrichello
Trulli

Any updates on the current standings in our points table Rob?

Sorry to everyone, I've had a bit of a traumatic few weeks, my Grandfather passed away and it was his funeral today.. so that's been me tied up pretty much since the F1 season started..and it's been all I can do to keep the comp going..

Rest assured I'm on it.. I just need to lift last years from the lounge PC and transfer it to the laptop and I'll be good to go.

Don't feel bad for asking either, none of you were to know

Cheers lads!
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Reply #14 - Apr 16^th, 2009 at 7:30pm

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you know I'm here to pick up the ball if you need me too, just text me if theres a delay and you want my help sir.

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Reply #15 - Apr 17^th, 2009 at 3:34am

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Sorry to hear that Rob ....... Undecided

Well the practice is being dominated by Barrichello and Button swapping the fastest times.

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Reply #16 - Apr 17^th, 2009 at 4:29am

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eno wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 3:34am:

Well the practice is being dominated by Barrichello and Button swapping the fastest times.

Quote from Force India commercial director Ian Phillips on 5 Live Sport Extra:

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"Brawn were probably quite happy with the diffuser row because it stopped people looking at the other things that probably make the real difference."

Just what Gary Anderson's been saying in Autosport for weeks! It's not just the diffuser! Grin

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Reply #17 - Apr 17^th, 2009 at 5:17am

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its quite obvious it wasn't just the diffusor. One look at the nose and you can see they knew something others didn't. Everyone else has high noses but the brawns is a low curved one. The front wing is also very sculpted.

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Reply #18 - Apr 17^th, 2009 at 5:33am

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Reply #19 - Apr 17^th, 2009 at 10:20am

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1. Button
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Reply #20 - Apr 17^th, 2009 at 12:40pm

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Reply #21 - Apr 17^th, 2009 at 3:44pm

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cspyro21 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2009 at 1:47pm:

Button
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Trulli

Any updates on the current standings in our points table Rob?

Sorry to everyone, I've had a bit of a traumatic few weeks, my Grandfather passed away and it was his funeral today.. so that's been me tied up pretty much since the F1 season started..and it's been all I can do to keep the comp going..

Rest assured I'm on it.. I just need to lift last years from the lounge PC and transfer it to the laptop and I'll be good to go.

Don't feel bad for asking either, none of you were to know

Cheers lads!
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Ah, as Andy said, very sorry to hear that Rob. Sad

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Reply #22 - Apr 18^th, 2009 at 1:43am

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Since this track blows i feel obligated to mention that Long Beach is sunday and helio was aquitted and will race!

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Reply #23 - Apr 18^th, 2009 at 3:50am

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Dunno if I'm too late but

1: Button
2: Barichello
3: Hamilton

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Reply #24 - Apr 18^th, 2009 at 4:01am

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Craig. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 5:17am:

its quite obvious it wasn't just the diffusor. One look at the nose and you can see they knew something others didn't. Everyone else has high noses but the brawns is a low curved one. The front wing is also very sculpted.

It will be interesting to see the fuel loads after todays qualifying. I think we will still see that Brawn are significantly heavier than the rest. The diffuser is worth 0.3 seconds a lap. There is a greater time difference over the diffuser cars than that. I think that the rest are trying a quick fix and a light fuel load that will not make that much difference in the race. Just have to wait and see.

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Reply #25 - Apr 18^th, 2009 at 4:42am

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Darn it, missed the deadline, forgot it was another early bird qualifying & the dog ate my homework..... or something....

Maybe I can enter late after an appeal in Paris in about three weeks time. Grin

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Reply #26 - Apr 18^th, 2009 at 12:26pm

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expat wrote on Apr 18^th, 2009 at 4:01am:

Craig. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 5:17am:

its quite obvious it wasn't just the diffusor. One look at the nose and you can see they knew something others didn't. Everyone else has high noses but the brawns is a low curved one. The front wing is also very sculpted.

It will be interesting to see the fuel loads after todays qualifying. I think we will still see that Brawn are significantly heavier than the rest. The diffuser is worth 0.3 seconds a lap. There is a greater time difference over the diffuser cars than that. I think that the rest are trying a quick fix and a light fuel load that will not make that much difference in the race. Just have to wait and see.

Matt

As I thought;

1. Vettel 644.0kg
2. Alonso 637.0kg
3. Webber 646.5kg
4. Barrichello 661.0kg
5. Button 659.0kg
6. Trulli 664.5kg
7. Rosberg 650.5kg
8. Raikkonen 673.5kg
9. Hamilton 679.0kg
10. Buemi 673.0kg
11. Heidfeld 679.0kg
12. Kovalainen 697.0kg
13. Massa 690.0kg
14. Glock 652.0kg
15. Nakajima 682.7kg
16. Bourdais 690.0kg
17. Piquet 697.9kg
18. Kubica 659.0kg
19. Sutil 648.0kg
20. Fisichella 679.5kg

All Alonso will do is hold everyone up and let Vettel scamper off into the distance if he holds second into the first corner.

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Reply #27 - Apr 18^th, 2009 at 4:46pm

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Alonso is very light and has KERS (no one else round him does), the renault is one of the best cars off the line regardless. If he doesn't get into turn 1 first I would be very surprised. Barrichello has 8 laps more fuel than Vettel and Button has 7 laps more. Alonso is about 12 laps lighter if the 2kg to 2.2kg a lap fuel useage comes in. That suggests to me Renault might try to run the soft tyre first for a short stint then hope simmilar to Australia the others have troubles at the end and they can do a Kubica like final stint. We'll see though.

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Reply #28 - Apr 18^th, 2009 at 8:29pm

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Flavio has been manic with crazy accusations of Brawn GP, and this response by Ross gave me a chuckle:

" When asked at Shanghai if he had a message for Briatore, Brawn cheekily replied: "I think change the medication!" "

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Reply #29 - Apr 19^th, 2009 at 1:41am

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Craig. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2009 at 4:46pm:

Alonso is very light and has KERS (no one else round him does), the renault is one of the best cars off the line regardless. If he doesn't get into turn 1 first I would be very surprised. Barrichello has 8 laps more fuel than Vettel and Button has 7 laps more. Alonso is about 12 laps lighter if the 2kg to 2.2kg a lap fuel useage comes in. That suggests to me Renault might try to run the soft tyre first for a short stint then hope simmilar to Australia the others have troubles at the end and they can do a Kubica like final stint. We'll see though.

Lets hope he doesn't become the rolling road block that he was in Malaysia...

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Reply #30 - Apr 19^th, 2009 at 4:03am

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10 place penalty for Trulli in Bahrain please.

Yet another driver doing an unnecessary lap with terminal damage, and this time it very nearly cost the leader his race. Idiot.

Nice to see Piquet living up to my high expectations again! Wink

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Reply #31 - Apr 19^th, 2009 at 7:03am

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good if somewhat boring race. China's always 10 laps too long. Fantastic job by Red Bull especially vettel. Not sure what you can say about everyone else. Amatuer hour from the big names, Kimi looked like he wanted back in the garage with his ice cream. Lewis had what? 5 spins and excursions. Alonso well he was unlucky that the weather negated the light fuel, but I expected more from him as well. Massa looked good for solid points but it was his cars turn to take a dump.
Well done to Kovi, at least he finished this time

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Reply #32 - Apr 19^th, 2009 at 11:12am

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Hurrah! Vettel, Webber, Button.

Exactly as I was gonna predict. Wink

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