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Plane landed by passenger (Read 1052 times)
Apr 13
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, 2009 at 1:25pm
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I read in the Chicago Sun-Times today that a plane,a King Air, took off from Fort Meyer and immediately after taking-off the pilot died, from most likely a heart attack. A passenger, who is a civilian pilot but licensed for single engine aircraft took over and with the help of the Air Traffic Controller,who called a friend knowledgable with the King Air, was able to safely land the aircraft.
My hats off to this person for keeping a level head and saving all lives involved.
The mind is like a parachute...it only works when it's open.
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Apr 13
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, 2009 at 1:56pm
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See this would have been remarkable if the passenger was someone who never flew an aircraft before. But since he/she is already a pilot and knows how to fly there is nothing special to it...
Crash
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Apr 13
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1524191,w-passenger-plane-lands-pilot-dies-0...
...just curious...
If it's a commercial Passenger Aircraft (King Air), shouldn't there be a Co-Pilot in the right-hand seat, ready to take over?
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Apr 13
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Beat you to the story...
King Airs can be certified for single pilot operations.
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Apr 13
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, 2009 at 4:22pm
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DaveSims wrote
on Apr 13
th
, 2009 at 3:56pm:
Beat you to the story...
King Airs can be certified for single pilot operations.
...next time your board a King Air, make sure there is.....
(a) A Pilot.
(b) A Co-Pilot.
(c) At least one Experienced Flight Sim Enthusiast.
...on board...
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Apr 13
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, 2009 at 4:33pm
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Fozzer wrote
on Apr 13
th
, 2009 at 1:57pm:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1524191,w-passenger-plane-lands-pilot-dies-0...
...just curious...
If it's a commercial Passenger Aircraft (King Air), shouldn't there be a Co-Pilot in the right-hand seat, ready to take over?
Paul..G-BPLF...
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Only the RAF insist on two pilot operation. Then again, they are teaching people to fly multi-crew aircraft.
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Apr 13
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, 2009 at 4:48pm
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C wrote
on Apr 13
th
, 2009 at 4:33pm:
Fozzer wrote
on Apr 13
th
, 2009 at 1:57pm:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1524191,w-passenger-plane-lands-pilot-dies-0...
...just curious...
If it's a commercial Passenger Aircraft (King Air), shouldn't there be a Co-Pilot in the right-hand seat, ready to take over?
Paul..G-BPLF...
...!
Only the RAF insist on two pilot operation. Then again, they are teaching people to fly multi-crew aircraft.
Blimey...
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Aren't Co-Pilots in Commercial Passenger Aircraft trained to fly, and land an aircraft, in an emergency siuation, (Pilot-in-charge dies, or gets taken seriously ill)....
...?
Paul....
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Apr 13
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, 2009 at 7:06pm
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Fozzer wrote
on Apr 13
th
, 2009 at 4:48pm:
C wrote
on Apr 13
th
, 2009 at 4:33pm:
Fozzer wrote
on Apr 13
th
, 2009 at 1:57pm:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1524191,w-passenger-plane-lands-pilot-dies-0...
...just curious...
If it's a commercial Passenger Aircraft (King Air), shouldn't there be a Co-Pilot in the right-hand seat, ready to take over?
Paul..G-BPLF...
...!
Only the RAF insist on two pilot operation. Then again, they are teaching people to fly multi-crew aircraft.
Blimey...
...!
Aren't Co-Pilots in Commercial Passenger Aircraft trained to fly, and land an aircraft, in an emergency siuation, (Pilot-in-charge dies, or gets taken seriously ill)....
...?
Paul....
...!
Yep and often the co-pilot will do more than 50% of the actual flying, take off, land. In fact, they'll act just the same as the captain, but without the additional responsibility.
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Apr 13
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You don't have to have a copilot in a King Air, commercial flight or otherwise.
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Apr 14
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, 2009 at 2:40am
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In normal flight, it's just like a big GA aeroplane (well, it is). No different to flying a (reasonably heavy) light twin piston.
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Apr 14
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, 2009 at 4:11am
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Sorry to labour the point, Chums...
..!
But as there is always the possibility of the Captain-in-Charge being taken ill in an Aircraft full of paying Passengers, commercial or otherwise, wouldn't the
safety regulations
insist on there being a Co-Pilot in the right-hand seat, to take over control, in the emergency?
The passenger 'Bus containing the single dead Driver, will inevitably coast to a standstill on the road...and the passengers will (safely) alight..
The passenger Aircraft containing the single dead Pilot, will fall to the ground from a great height, guaranteeing the death of all on board...
...!
Co-Pilot a good idea?...
...?
Paul...
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Apr 14
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Lots of small airlines operate aircraft with only one pilot Paul. Probably a case of economics. Been that way for years & the pilot usually acts as baggage handler & general dogsbody as well as flying the aircraft. I note that Skysouth, the local airline at Shoreham has recently ceased operations for the second time in two years.
http://www.skysouth.co.uk/
Skysouth operated a scheduled service with one PA-31 Piper Chieftain with one crew member.
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Apr 14
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Hagar wrote
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, 2009 at 4:41am:
Lots of small airlines operate aircraft with only one pilot Paul. Probably a case of economics. Been that way for years & the pilot usually acts as baggage handler & general dogsbody as well as flying the aircraft. I note that Skysouth, the local airline at Shoreham has recently ceased operations for the second time in two years.
http://www.skysouth.co.uk/
Skysouth operated a scheduled service with one PA-31 Piper Chieftain with one crew member.
Not to mention the numerous DH Rapides that fly passengers at shows around the country. I suspect those that operate the Twin Otter up in the Scottish islands are single pilot too.
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Not to mention the numerous DH Rapides that fly passengers at shows around the country.
Good point. Many of the older small airliners like the Rapide only have one pilot's position. As for numerous, I can only find 12 Rapides on the CAA civil aircraft register. It would be interesting to know how many of those are currently airworthy & certified to carry passengers.
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I suspect those that operate the Twin Otter up in the Scottish islands are single pilot too.
That's quite possible. I believe that the Islander & Trislander (3 engines & up to 17 passengers) are usually operated with one crew member. This leaves room for another passenger up front.
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Our flight from Lands End to the Scilly Iles was with a single pilot, granted it was 13 years ago (!) but I doubt much has changed
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Hagar wrote
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C wrote
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, 2009 at 7:02am:
Not to mention the numerous DH Rapides that fly passengers at shows around the country.
Good point. Many of the older small airliners like the Rapide only have one pilot's position. As for numerous, I can only find 12 Rapides on the CAA civil aircraft register. It would be interesting to know how many of those are currently airworthy & certified to carry passengers.
My definition of numerous = more than one!
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Fozzer wrote
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The passenger Aircraft containing the single dead Pilot, will fall to the ground from a great height, guaranteeing the death of all on board...
...!
Not if you are a single piston engine rated pilot flying in your own plane at the time of said death... Oh wait....
Story isn't that amazing... Still an accomplishment to land something you aren't trained to and all that, but the story seems to be getting glued together (badly) bit by bit, day by day. Didn't one of his daughters throw up? That's not going to be pleasant.
I agree about the co-pilot bit though. If only because it was a commerical flight. I mean, you'd expect atleast two people up front in your Boeing 757 trip, so why not here? I know it's been explained, but it still seems silly as proven here.
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yahoo homepage has the audio tapes from the pilot.
Calm response and a good job by him.
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Craig. wrote
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yahoo homepage has the audio tapes from the pilot.
Calm response and a good job by him.
Can't find that but here's another one. This one had 179 souls aboard. --->
Pilot has heart attack
(Funny looking 767. Either they got the aircraft type or the photo wrong.)
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Imagine the same scenario above, from the previous discussions, ie: Co-Pilot:
A Passenger 767 with 179 Passengers on board, and only one Pilot.
...(no Co-Pilot, due to various cost savings, etc)..
...!
..and a frantic call from the Flight Attendants, for a Microsoft Flight Simulator "FS '98" Enthusiast to volunteer to land the aircraft safely...
...!
Don't you just love having a co-Pilot on board!...
Paul...
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The news report doesn't go into detail but I presume the Alitalia 767 had a co-pilot.
Most airliners used to carry a flight engineer until the position was made redundant. All a matter of cost & efficiency.
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