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Mar 23rd, 2009 at 7:07pm

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Not sure if this is the proper place for this, but here goes.

When I was in college, I worked a summer as a ramp rat for a local flying service. Late one afternoon, a local came in and parked on the far side of the ramp in his Push Pull (337). He came in the office and asked me to top him off. I guess he was in a hurry or just did not want to get caught in the weather that was moving in fast from the northwest. I got in the tender and drove across to where he parked. I did not want to get caught in the weather either so I was in a hurry and made a really bad mistake. I failed to hook the static line to the nose gear. I was up on the wing with the nozzle locked wide open when lightning struck off the end of the runway. I felt some static in the nozzle and almost fell off the wing. Fortunately, the nozzle did not come out and I did not spill a drop. More fortunately, there was no ignition/fire/explosion/death. I grabbed the rubber part of the hose and finished as quickly as I could, got down and put the tender up. I vowed never to fuel another aircraft without the static line attached and to try to avoid using the tender at all costs. Guess someone was looking out for me that day.
 

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Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 7:41pm

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Wow.. Thanks for sharing the confession. When people are big enough, and selfless enough to own up to stuff like that, it goes a long way to helping someone else be more careful..

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I'm gonna let you off the hook though (a little). Hooking the static line to an airplane serves to eliminate any electrical potential between the truck, it's long, static-creating, rubber hose, and the airframe, so that there is no spark when the filler-nozzle nears the tank opening. Any electrical potential created by nearby lightning would be "seen" equally by both the airframe, and the truck (and you). There would be no spark at the nozzle. If, for some reason the lightning did cause an ignition, it wouldn't have mattered if the static line were connected, or not.
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 7:53pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 7:41pm:
Wow.. Thanks for sharing the confession. When people are big enough, and selfless enough to own up to stuff like that, it goes a long way to helping someone else be more careful..

Smiley

I'm gonna let you off the hook though (a little). Hooking the static line to an airplane serves to eliminate any electrical potential between the truck, it's long, static-creating, rubber hose, and the airframe, so that there is no spark when the filler-nozzle nears the tank opening. Any electrical potential created by nearby lightning would be "seen" equally by both the airframe, and the truck (and you). There would be no spark at the nozzle. If, for some reason the lightning did cause an ignition, it wouldn't have mattered if the static line were connected, or not.


Yes, I am aware of this. I just meant that the lightning emphasized to me how stupid I was for failing to hook the static line. But thanks. I hope this make others more safety conscious.

I also had a part time job doing janitorial work to the inside of a Martin 404 for Southern Airways. It was a terminal flight here and had to be cleaned before departing the next morning. I had to do it between 10:30 p.m. and 6 a.m. It did not take long as it only involved emptying the trash, vaccuming, putting up pillows and straightening the magazine rack. And it was six nights, Sunday through Friday. But I was also playing in a band and we had jobs on the weekends. Plus I was teaching guitar one night a week. I was a little bit busy that summer. But oh the money for a nineteen year old.
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Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2009 at 11:29pm

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Nevermind the bonding cable, WHY THE HECK WERE YOU FUELING WHEN THERE WAS LIGHTNING THAT CLOSE? I've gotten into plenty of arguments with supervisors/customers about fueling around lightning and for good reason.  I too had a close encounter with lightning.  A few summers back we were trying to get everybody put away and prep for a severe t-storm when one ding dong of a line guy decided to drive the avgas truck to the other side of the ramp to separate it from the jet-a truck and ground it.  While walking back he was about 100 feet from a lightning strike.  

Another case that same summer was in the same situation where we were putting base customers away and when we finished the most improbable happened - a B-25 Mitchell landed - and of course they wanted hangar space so I hooked this giant lightning rod to my tug and just then lighning hit the community hangar I was next to.  Thats when I realized how stupid I was and told them I couldn't do it and they understood (they were as close to the lightning strike as I was Grin).
 

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Reply #4 - Mar 24th, 2009 at 6:42am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 11:29pm:
Nevermind the bonding cable, WHY THE HECK WERE YOU FUELING WHEN THERE WAS LIGHTNING THAT CLOSE? I've gotten into plenty of arguments with supervisors/customers about fueling around lightning and for good reason.  I too had a close encounter with lightning.  A few summers back we were trying to get everybody put away and prep for a severe t-storm when one ding dong of a line guy decided to drive the avgas truck to the other side of the ramp to separate it from the jet-a truck and ground it.  While walking back he was about 100 feet from a lightning strike.  

Another case that same summer was in the same situation where we were putting base customers away and when we finished the most improbable happened - a B-25 Mitchell landed - and of course they wanted hangar space so I hooked this giant lightning rod to my tug and just then lighning hit the community hangar I was next to.  Thats when I realized how stupid I was and told them I couldn't do it and they understood (they were as close to the lightning strike as I was Grin).


The lightning did not start until I was on the wing. But it was because I was told to do it, and I was STUPID!  Roll Eyes
Never heard a B-25 called a lightning rod before. LOL
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Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2009 at 9:57am

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Just so you know, the FAA does not allow fueling if there are thunderstorms within 20 miles of the airport, for this very reason.  I am an airport operations coordinator and airport firefighter, and find myself frequently having to enforce this rule to avoid any catastrophes from happening.  As mentioned before, the static line from the truck merely elimates the difference in electrical charge between the truck and aircraft to prevent any sparks from the nozzle touching the filler hole. The static line would not have prevented a lighting accident.
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2009 at 7:17pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 24th, 2009 at 9:57am:
Just so you know, the FAA does not allow fueling if there are thunderstorms within 20 miles of the airport, for this very reason.

Would this have been true in the summer of 1968?

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I am an airport operations coordinator and airport firefighter, and find myself frequently having to enforce this rule to avoid any catastrophes from happening.  As mentioned before, the static line from the truck merely elimates the difference in electrical charge between the truck and aircraft to prevent any sparks from the nozzle touching the filler hole. The static line would not have prevented a lighting accident.


This I was aware of. Like I said, it was a stupid mistake due to haste and lack of knowledge about the rules. It was just a summer job and they did not tell me much. Had to learn most of it the hard way. And all I did was fuel, wash, change oil, tow, and cut the grass.
 

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Reply #7 - Mar 24th, 2009 at 8:18pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 24th, 2009 at 9:57am:
Just so you know, the FAA does not allow fueling if there are thunderstorms within 20 miles of the airport, for this very reason.  I am an airport operations coordinator and airport firefighter, and find myself frequently having to enforce this rule to avoid any catastrophes from happening.  As mentioned before, the static line from the truck merely elimates the difference in electrical charge between the truck and aircraft to prevent any sparks from the nozzle touching the filler hole. The static line would not have prevented a lighting accident.

Wow, a place where the FAA actually cares.  You could almost get away with murder in kansas airspace.  The FAA has only audited our FBO records once since I started working there.  There has only been one ramp check, and people break FARs on regular occasions.  No one really overlooks our airport
 

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Reply #8 - Mar 25th, 2009 at 5:51am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Mar 24th, 2009 at 8:18pm:
DaveSims wrote on Mar 24th, 2009 at 9:57am:
Just so you know, the FAA does not allow fueling if there are thunderstorms within 20 miles of the airport, for this very reason.  I am an airport operations coordinator and airport firefighter, and find myself frequently having to enforce this rule to avoid any catastrophes from happening.  As mentioned before, the static line from the truck merely elimates the difference in electrical charge between the truck and aircraft to prevent any sparks from the nozzle touching the filler hole. The static line would not have prevented a lighting accident.

Wow, a place where the FAA actually cares.  You could almost get away with murder in kansas airspace.  The FAA has only audited our FBO records once since I started working there.  There has only been one ramp check, and people break FARs on regular occasions.  No one really overlooks our airport


Not just the FAA/CAA, but the RAF too and I would have though the USAF also. As a side line, the other week we had a power cut in our hanger just as we towed a B738 in. A long coffee break ensued, but only after I grounded the aircraft. I observed something that I had never seen in well over 20 years in the business. I was dark, very dark, armpit dark and as I connected the bonding cable to the earth point in the main gear bay, I saw for the first time how much static there can be in an aircraft. As I fumbled with the jack plug in the dark drying to find the whole, the jack made contact with the aircraft and I got a light show. It was almost like the small sparks you get if you short out a 9 volt battery that is not fully charged, but every shade of blue. I stopped what I was doing and called over the guys I was working with and such was the charge in the aircraft that I was able to show them again with the same display and got 10 seconds worth of discharge display. It certainly reinforced my respect for aircraft bonding especially during refueling.

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Reply #9 - Mar 25th, 2009 at 9:35am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Mar 24th, 2009 at 8:18pm:
DaveSims wrote on Mar 24th, 2009 at 9:57am:
Just so you know, the FAA does not allow fueling if there are thunderstorms within 20 miles of the airport, for this very reason.  I am an airport operations coordinator and airport firefighter, and find myself frequently having to enforce this rule to avoid any catastrophes from happening.  As mentioned before, the static line from the truck merely elimates the difference in electrical charge between the truck and aircraft to prevent any sparks from the nozzle touching the filler hole. The static line would not have prevented a lighting accident.

Wow, a place where the FAA actually cares.  You could almost get away with murder in kansas airspace.  The FAA has only audited our FBO records once since I started working there.  There has only been one ramp check, and people break FARs on regular occasions.  No one really overlooks our airport


Commercial service airports (FAR Part 139 certified) receive annual inspections from the FAA, and must do self inspections frequently.  GA airports there is usually very little oversight from the FAA, sometimes the state DOT just does the occasional inspection, or perhaps the local fire marshal.
 
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