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Mar 3rd, 2009 at 5:28pm

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I was doing the bloke type thing of looking at cars and I came across the Mazda RX-8. I remembered it from the advert a few years back and investigated it further.

I read up a few things about it and one of my friends asked what the insurance on that thing would be like, so with nothing better to do... I set away on a few insurance sites just getting some quotes and seeing if we can beat the system at all (we couldn't, but it was interesting to try).


Anywho, I looked at some of the prices and they were gigantic. Fair enough for a brand new driver they would be, but this was stupidly high. I went back to check everything was right and I found this:

Insurance site: Mazda RX-8 2003 2.6L

Mazda/Wikipedia: Maza RX-8 2003 1.3L


For some reason the insurance site thought that it was a 2.6L car but the official website and most other sites I have looked at seem to say it is half that (2x 655cc, not 2x1300cc)


I am just wondering what the heck is going on. It is a 1.3L car, right? Why are some places listing it as double that when it blatently isn't when I checked the official manufacturer's website.


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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 5:33pm

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Correct it is a 1.3L engine.
Why the insurance are classing it as a 2.6L I have no idea. maybe someone saw the hp it produces and automatically assumed the engine size needed to produce it must be higher.
Which insurance company are you looking through?
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 5:37pm

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I went to those funny 'middle men' ones, only because I'm not planning on getting insurance any time soon, but I figured I have a year to go until I can learn to drive so I may aswell see what the insurance market is like. It's not good, trust me.

Go Compare, Compare The Market and I think Direct Line all seem to say it is a 2.6. I only used one for an actual test quote and the others to check that I wasn't reading wrongly. But yeh, as far as I remember it is several sites listing it like that at the very least.


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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 5:40pm

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very strange but something that in the world of insurance you'd have to bring up over the phone I guess. Good spot.

As a side note I gave up on those middle men sites ages ago. The cheapest quote I got on those sites for my beemer at 24, 5 years experience, and 1 years no claims (was on my moms insurance for a while) was £2300, went to direct line and got a quote of just over £600. Safe to say all these we'll save you on your insurance sites got the boot quickly Smiley
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 5:49pm

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Yeh, well when the time comes to learn to drive I will probably get a joint policy with someone in my family and then when I am able to, and it would be financially alright to, I would probably move onto my own policy but probably with the same insurer.

"We'll find you the best quote". Umm, no mate, no you won't  Grin


Hopefully I will be able to get something other than a chav-tastic car, so this is why I am looking around... And if I am lucky, financial depression on such objects might help me out. Too bad they will still treat me like some street racing punk  Cool
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 9:47am

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From
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In auto racing, the displacement of a Wankel engine is usually doubled for classing purposes. For Japanese tax purposes, the displacement of Wankel engines is defined as the equivalent of 1.5 times the nominal displacement.


It would be fun to insure a car with a gas turbine engine. No enclosed volume to define displacement!
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 11:28am

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Darn them.  Angry
 

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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 11:33am

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machineman9 wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 11:28am:
Darn them.  Angry


As the post above points to, I wonder if it's part of their computer system to effectively double the displacement?

Either way, I'd expect an RX-8 quote to be fairly astronomical for any under-25!
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 11:38am

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I think insurance is going to be a lot for most things for me anyway. I imagine it is going to be fairly high for the RX-8 because it looks like it is quite a powerful car despite it's displacement.

Even so, I would still challenge the point just to see what they say.


Back to AutoTrader to check the markets again  Smiley
 

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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 12:21pm

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machineman9 wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 11:38am:
I think insurance is going to be a lot for most things for me anyway. I imagine it is going to be fairly high for the RX-8 because it looks like it is quite a powerful car despite it's displacement.

Even so, I would still challenge the point just to see what they say.



1.3l wankel is only small on paper. Take a look at the Mazda 787B that won Le Mans in 1991 - 700bhp in race trim with a 2.6L wankel. Over 900bhp on the bench.


As for insurance, as a new driver, don't expect much change, if any, from a grand. You could get insured as a named driver on a parent policy, but you won't necessarily get any NCB at the end of the year. I've had my own insurance since I was 18, purely because I've built my own NCB, even if initially it was cheaper to be a named driver on someone else's policy.
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 12:25pm

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Yeh it's a pretty fab engine. Which is a problem as it is small but powerful so insurance companies won't really like it.
 

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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 12:40pm

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engine size doesnt matter as much anymore in the insurance business. its all to do with the cars desireability. The newer a car the more expensive it'll be to insure, I have found that out looking for a new car, wanted to go with something new like a new civic or lancer, and despite being both smaller engines than the bmw I own, they both come out more expensive to insure.
 
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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 12:42pm

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I suppose rarity also affects it... Cheap highly-in-production cars will be cheaper to insure too. Easier to get replacement panels for, etc.
 

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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 1:36pm

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C wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
machineman9 wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 11:38am:
I think insurance is going to be a lot for most things for me anyway. I imagine it is going to be fairly high for the RX-8 because it looks like it is quite a powerful car despite it's displacement.

Even so, I would still challenge the point just to see what they say.



1.3l wankel is only small on paper. Take a look at the Mazda 787B that won Le Mans in 1991 - 700bhp in race trim with a 2.6L wankel. Over 900bhp on the bench.


As for insurance, as a new driver, don't expect much change, if any, from a grand. You could get insured as a named driver on a parent policy, but you won't necessarily get any NCB at the end of the year. I've had my own insurance since I was 18, purely because I've built my own NCB, even if initially it was cheaper to be a named driver on someone else's policy.


Just something to note, if you do this and have an accident, the insurance company will be quite within their right to refuse to pay out.  You are making a false declaration by saying someone else is the main driver, but in fact you are.  It's also a bit of a false saving, because when you come to actually get your own policy, it will be higher than someone with say 3 or 4 years NCB.  You can get cheap insurance if you are young, you just need to do a lot of looking.  When I was 19, I paid £650 fully comp for my own policy for a 1.2 Clio.  Two years later, I'm paying £280.  I think you will agree, that's bloody cheap for someone my age.  I'm with Elephant btw.

If you are not in the UK, most of that will not apply to you lol  Smiley
 
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I've heard about people falsely declaring things like that and I will try not to make those mistakes myself.
 

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Reply #15 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:15pm

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Insuring your own car through a parents insurance is now a big NO NO .... it used to be no problem, but now that the driving laws for under 25's are much tighter the insurance companies are clamping down on this practice.
 

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Reply #16 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:28pm

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(a) Forget it. (...for my sake!).

(b) Find a Car which is the cheapest to insure, even if only has three wheels, and a set of pedals for back-up...

...then slowly work your way up the ladder...if you can afford it...Wink...!

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Reply #17 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:37pm

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Don't worry Paul, I'm a biker by heart so I'll look out for those of our master race. You wouldn't have thought that about someone who is too young to ride, but trust me, I would have probably taken the motorbike if I had a choice in it.  Wink

I was thinking of getting something cheap and nasty, well, okay just cheap to start with. That, or join an existing family policy to hopefully keep it cheaper due to not having to buy my own car. Get more experience, hopefully get a reduced insurance payment because of it. I believe on a summer camp we do at cadets you can apply to do a driving profiency test so I will do that. Basically I am looking at every way to get cheap insurance... There will be a way, somehow, somewhere.
 

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Reply #19 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:45pm

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machineman9 wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:37pm:
Don't worry Paul, I'm a biker by heart so I'll look out for those of our master race. You wouldn't have thought that about someone who is too young to ride, but trust me, I would have probably taken the motorbike if I had a choice in it.  Wink

I was thinking of getting something cheap and nasty, well, okay just cheap to start with. That, or join an existing family policy to hopefully keep it cheaper due to not having to buy my own car. Get more experience, hopefully get a reduced insurance payment because of it. I believe on a summer camp we do at cadets you can apply to do a driving profiency test so I will do that. Basically I am looking at every way to get cheap insurance... There will be a way, somehow, somewhere.


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Reply #20 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm

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I know they are, so I am putting it off a bit. Until either the roads get better, or I am wiser and thus can predict better what might happen. No the first one is probably not likely to happen and the second one is still risky, but it is still something I would like to do one day.

Maybe as a UK resident, maybe not if I decide to change country one day. The future does await.



Drive to get drink and then return home... Or drive out to get drink and get someone to pick you up. Where my common sense runs out I can't predict, but I am hoping I will be able to decide safely when I would be good to drive. If anything, I wouldn't want my car to get scratched so that is the first incentive to play it safe  Wink
 

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The best way of reducing your insurance cost as an under 25 is to do pass plus after you pass your test. It includes motorway lessons, night driving and more advanced  techniques than required for the test.
The main benefit is that several of the major insurance companies will reduce their rates for new drivers who have taken pass plus.
 

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Reply #22 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:57pm

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Hmm I haven't heard of that one. I've heard of Drive Survive or something similar.

I will give it a good look into. Be good experience if nothing else. Cheers.
 

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eno wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 2:55pm:
The best way of reducing your insurance cost as an under 25 is to do pass plus after you pass your test. It includes motorway lessons, night driving and more advanced  techniques than required for the test.
The main benefit is that several of the major insurance companies will reduce their rates for new drivers who have taken pass plus.


The irony is, the course itself teaches you very little in my opinion. Motorway driving I can see being a help for people who are nervous but otherwise was of no benefit to me. The night driving I did quite a few of my lessons in the dark anyway and the rain portion of it was very difficult to do because it barely rained at all during my pass plus course. There was no real advanced driving techniques that I can say I learned. And after lots of searching i saved a grand total of 10 quid with it so less than it cost to get. Roll Eyes
I've recently noticed in my search for a skidpan training course that they will also provide you with names of insurance companies who will discount you for passing a skidpan course, which costs the same as a pass plus course, and in my opinion teaches you far more useful and valuable skills in controling a car in bad weather that could save you and the car.
 
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Craig. wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 12:40pm:
engine size doesnt matter as much anymore in the insurance business. its all to do with the cars desireability. The newer a car the more expensive it'll be to insure


Interesting. What do you think would be more expensive to insure - a brand new Phantom, or a Duesenberg?
 
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By the way.... Geico would charge me about $1400 a year. Actually, I would still have change left over to go and get some McNuggets from McDonalds too. Yeaaahhhh I think it's probably not best to start that one here, lol.
 

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When you get to my age you can just about afford to insure a decent motor. I see young chaps in M3s and those Evo things and I have no idea how they can afford the insurance. I have a 2.0 BMW Z3, I’m 42, have a clean licence, full no claims bonus and my car is kept off road in a locked yard out of sight and is alarmed and immobilised and it still costs me £450 to insure. What a rip off Angry. Still it’s not as bad as my partner. She has 9 points and a poor accident history and it costs her £500 to insure a 1.2 Corsa! Grin
 

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Reply #28 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 6:41pm

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my question would be how do you get 9 points in a 1.2 corsa? even with a stiff tail wind they cant go fast enough to set a speed camera off lol.
 
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Reply #29 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 6:57pm
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Craig. wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 12:40pm:
engine size doesnt matter as much anymore in the insurance business. its all to do with the cars desireability.


Which would explain why I ony pay £300 Fully Comprehensive for my 2003 2.0i Mondeo Ghia X estate!!

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HawkerTempest5 wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 6:33pm:
I see young chaps in M3s and those Evo things and I have no idea how they can afford the insurance.


"What's insurance?"
 
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Craig. wrote on Mar 4th, 2009 at 6:41pm:
my question would be how do you get 9 points in a 1.2 corsa? even with a stiff tail wind they cant go fast enough to set a speed camera off lol.

She got them all driving a Ford KA! She’s only had the Corsa since December. It’s a hateful little thing and you have to rev the nuts off it to get it to move! She only had it because it’s got one of those trendy cycle rack things that pops out of the rear bumper. Needless to say, she is banned from driving the Beemer.
 

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Some other figures from over the channel:

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2007 Opel / Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 @ 90hp with some nice options (heated steering wheel!) and fancy metallic paint: about 80 euros/month with zero years. No idea how much it will go down next year. I think its overpriced but that was the best deal my girlfriend could get, including employee discount. The 'surname thing' might have played a role in this.
 

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