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Feb 27th, 2009 at 5:20pm

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Nicely bridging the wide gap between a straight desktop setup and a simpit:


http://www.wilcopub.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=prod_vri_jetpit

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Reply #1 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 3:48am

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Very nice!!

although at US$ 1270, it would be a better deal to get a few LCD screens and a gauges package

but then, this is a starter kit... and hooking up screens and setting up a third party gauge package would be far more complicated than installing this thing  Smiley
i wonder if you can customize the layout

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Reply #2 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 7:54pm

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That's pretty nice. They've actually got a bunch of nice stuff on that site. They have a similar item as above, except for single engine prop planes (C172 etc) It has hardware knobs for all the controllable gauges (vor's, etc) and a fully integrated GPS button setup.

I think that'd be a pretty awesome way to go, really. At least for the more "casual" "hardcore" simmer lol. Those who want a nice hardware setup, but don't have the space/time/etc to devote to a full on simpit. Combine that with their radio panels and such, and you'd have a pretty slick setup really.
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 7:57pm

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I really, really, REALLY, want this, but man, for that same money, I could probably have myself a system for FSX. Undecided

Is there anything similar to this for under a grand? Huh

If not, what's a different alternative to getting started in simpits?

I've got an entire room devoted to this hobby, now it's time to do something neat with it. Wink
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:10pm

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 7:57pm:
I really, really, REALLY, want this, but man, for that same money, I could probably have myself a system for FSX. Undecided

Is there anything similar to this for under a grand? Huh

If not, what's a different alternative to getting started in simpits?

I've got an entire room devoted to this hobby, now it's time to do something neat with it. Wink


  :evil     Oh oh!!!!   :evil


You are clearly starting to succumb to the power of the Dark Side.

You have no idea of the cost power of the Dark Side.  Wink

Shane, I am staying with FS2004 for a while for the reason that the pit is more important to me than the "features" that FSX adds to fs2004 ......... particularly when you consider the level of hardware that you need to actually USE those slick features and also get flyable framerates.  FSX will still be there in a couple of years when I am ready to make the change.

Until you have actually experienced it, you have NO idea how immersive it is to reach up your right arm and flip on the engine anti ice controls or look at the fuel consumption rate on the display up there on the overhead.  

When I am flying now, I am physically IN my aircraft.  The rest of the world goes away.  The sensation of movement is amazing....particularly when coupled with the tactile transducers mounted in the pilot's seat.

I know the location of the aircraft's controls like I know the locations of the controls in my car.  When I do an instrument scan, I have to refocus my eyes closer on the MIP and then return to looking further OUT of the windscreen.

NO amount of "virtual" effect from FSX on a flat screen (or even multi-monitors) is going to come CLOSE the the experience of some sort of a simpit.  And FS2004 has PLENTY of realism as far as scenery and visuals go.  Couple it with a simpit... and you are WAY ahead of FSX.


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Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:14pm

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 7:57pm:
Is there anything similar to this for under a grand? Huh

If not, what's a different alternative to getting started in simpits?


Shane,

Look into the Goflight units for a "plug and play" approach to some instrumentation at a far cheaper price.

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Reply #6 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:20pm

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JBaymore wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:10pm:
  :evil     Oh oh!!!!   :evil


You are clearly starting to succumb to the power of the Dark Side.



It was kind of hard not to after following your simpit threads in here, and the fact that I'm a carpenter, and have all the tools needed to build the structure, just makes it that much more tempting.

And now that I've had that good slap back to reality about FSX(thank you Wink) That money could probably make a nice start on one of these.

A question though, I enjoy flying everything from cubs to A380s and all the best the military has to offer, do you ever fly in something smaller and find it odd or awkward flying say a piper cub from the cockpit of a heavy? Or is it still the same good feeling of hey, I'm virtually there?

I've got the desire, and the ingenuity to compromise where I need to when I need to for now, I'm just needing those last couple of pushes over the edge. Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:40pm

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:20pm:
A question though, I enjoy flying everything from cubs to A380s and all the best the military has to offer, do you ever fly in something smaller and find it odd or awkward flying say a piper cub from the cockpit of a heavy? Or is it still the same good feeling of hey, I'm virtually there?


This is one of the reasons that I decided to go sort of "generic" with my pit.  I spent a LOT of time looking at cockpits on Airliners.net to try to grasp what makes a cockpit "FEEL" like a cockpit, visually and spatially.  Then I stole aspects from many differenet aircraft that I liked to make up the layout of MY aircraft.

I look at the my simpit as MY customized aircraft.  It can have the features that I want in it....... in that sense I am a "billionare" that can order the plane to my custom specs.  

The interesting thing is that I occasionally fly aircraft othher than the BAe 146-200.  And I find that what I notice is the handling characteristics change significantly ......... and that gives me the "feel" of a completely different aircraft.  There is a nice "home base" feel to knowing where the controls are.....and it does not seem to detract from the experience.  

I can have a Cessna 172 with "Boeing glass" installed........ how much more slick can you get then that!   Wink

However that being said........ I have found that mainly flying one aircraft is not feeling very limiting in any way.  I am getting to KNOW that aircraft very well.  Tha way a type rated pilot gets to know the aircraft.  THAT is a pretty special feeling in its own right.  So it can be more of a "depth" rather than "breadth" experience.

This puts the focus on improving the simulation of the one aircraft...and the sim exterior display itself.  THAT can be very involving and exciting.  So I don't spend much time downloading new aircraft....... I am looking more for gauges, and sceneries, and tweaks, and hardware, and creating new panels, and so on.

It is a different way of enjoying the simming hobby.

And going "generic" saves you a BOATLOAD of money.  If you want an exact re-creation of the pit of a 737 or 747 or the Concorde or something like that.... get a mortgage.   Wink

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...................john
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 9:16pm

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It sounds like you have definitely found a great way to enjoy the best of all aspects of this hobby.

Generic style really sounds like the way to go then. I have been searching around looking for a nice template or reference for the main panel, I would like to do a big screen out front, but for now, the dual monitors will have to suffice.

  From what I've seen in your simpit posts, a decent amount of components need to be wired in, how many computers & monitors do you have running in yours?
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 1st, 2009 at 9:26pm

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28th, 2009 at 9:16pm:
 From what I've seen in your simpit posts, a decent amount of components need to be wired in, how many computers & monitors do you have running in yours?



Shane,

Yeah.... it takes a crapload of disparate parts to make a simpit come together.  PLANNING is the key to making it come out well....... and for not hitting too many dead ends.

My pit currently is running off of 4 computers.  Eventually it will be 6 machines down the road a bit.  The main out-the-windscreen view is on a projector.  Then there are 4 screens, 2 lcds and 2 crts.  There will still be one more small lcd that will form the FMC display (or a Garmin GPS unit).   

One machine is just for FS2004 with FSUIPC, ActiveSky 6.5, AIBridge, and FSXpand running on it.  The others (junkers) drive the avionics displays and the interfaces like the Phidgets and Goflight stuff.

All of the latter machines are "freebnies" that are really old.  They work just fine for the uses they are put to.

Your carpentry skills will go a long way on the construction of an enclosed shell  Wink.   I expect a work of art.  The importance of enclosing it cannot be overstated; it changes everything.

Hope you decide to join in.  I need more people doing this stuff to prove that I am actually sane.   Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #10 - Mar 1st, 2009 at 9:37pm

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JBaymore wrote on Mar 1st, 2009 at 9:26pm:
Hope you decide to join in.  I need more people doing this stuff to prove that I am actually sane.   Grin Grin Grin

best,

....................john



I've already started gathering pics from Airliners.net, and I just so happen to have two 2004 model spare computers sitting in the closet just begging to be dusted off and put to work. Wink

Going over to my fathers garage tomorrow to dig through the material pile and see what I can salvage for the enclosure. After remodeling his kitchen and bathroom, there was a good deal of wood and other odds and ends left over. Time to give it a good use. Cool

My first purchase though must be a decent yoke/pedal system as my current twist stick just won't cut it for this application, and I should probably get used to using them soon. Been using a joy stick since FS2000 so I'm sure the finer points of flying have been totally lost to me up till now. Undecided
 
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Reply #11 - Mar 1st, 2009 at 9:52pm

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Shane,

Your first purchase after the yoke and pedals needs to be a registered version of FSUIPC (get the one for fs2004 if that is what you're using) and WideFS.  That allows you to have stuff on the other PCs think that fs2004 is actually running on those machines.  It is the "data transmission link" program pair.

Registered FSUIPC is also the "Swiss Army Knife" of the sim.  You won't beliecve what it can do for fs2004.

Then you'll need LAN cards in each machine and a LAN switch.

Then go to the sticky about FreeFD at the top of the forum here and get that software to get you started playing around.  It is still unfinished and has bugs and has old navdata.  But it'll give you some "starter avionics" to run on those machines.  

I strongly recommmend changing to the Ellie Avionics packages when you can.... they are the evolution from FreeFD (same author).  The features are great, they are "bulletproof", and the price is right.  The navdata is upgradable via Navigraph if you demand real world currency to navigation issues.  (another alternative is Project Magenta......... if you've got a couple of Grand to spare.  Shocked)

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