I'm trying to run the 2009 707 that was featured on Simviation's main page.  I've sorted out a few problems, but can't get past some gauge errors whenever I select the aircraft.

The gauge errors come up saying that the gauge(s) are from a previous version of FS that wont work in FSX.  The gauges say they are made by an an Andreas Jaros.

I'd really like to get all the gauges and panels in this 2009 707 to work properly.  I can't really tell which gauges aren't working but there seems to be about 5 error windows that come up.

Please help,

ND6849C

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This much I knew, but when I run the 707 it doesn't say which gauge, only that it's too early and made by Andreas Jaros.

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Thus the purpuse of my original msg.

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If I knew just where to find these culprit gauges, I could do that.  Again, I'm not sure what gauges are the bad ones

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I'll look for Alejandro's 707, but I should point out that the hype that came on Simviation main page last month said that the 2009 707 was FSX ready....that's why I was so suprised at all of the old gauge callouts.

ND6849C

dave3cu wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:35am:


Ok, just so I get this correct, I'm going to play "REAL stupid".  I have each of those zip files, I can extract them with the directory names that the files call out for, but that won't put them where they need to be.

Looking at the 2b707gauges.zip, there are cab files and a gauge file.  Do all of these go into my Microsoft Fliht Simulator X/Gauges dir?  And if they do, do I overwrite existing files?

Once I tackle this part, I'll deal with the 3FS9Gauges.zip file.

Thanks.

ND6849C

dave3cu wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:10pm:

Dave,
I am running FSX Standard SP2 and have the 2009 707 installed.

That said, unless I see a reply to this when I get home from work later today, I'll put the gauges from 2 and 3 in the 707's /panel folder and test it out.  I should be able to give you the results before the end of the day.

/me

ND6849C wrote on Feb 16^th, 2009 at 11:26pm:



The plane is a true FSX-SDK SP2 Model and you can find it in my site

http://www.simviation.com/fsnd/Downloads.htm



there will be another release this week a b727-200 but as a true FSX model too

Gotta fix that Download HTML area looks bad  

dave3cu wrote on Feb 19^th, 2009 at 11:59am:


I downloaded the ac from simviation on 1/27/09.

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Whatever was in the pack.  Note: I don't have 2004 on my pc anymore.

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Only in this ac.

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That's probably why I'm getting the errors without naming the gauges, just that they are FS98 or earlier and authored by Andreas Jaros.  I don't have any other of Jaros's ac, so naturally the errors.

That's why I suggested the Shift-4 and Shift 5. That's where the screeens that I see things incorrectly or not at all.  Can you bring up your panel and hit those items and see what's missing.  Maybe you can tell what gauges those screeens call out?

Still trying to solve this...

ND6849C

dave3cu wrote on Feb 19^th, 2009 at 8:23pm:


Knowing that shift4 is a compass and shift5 is AP stuff may help, but I think the problem lies in the gauge callouts for the pg.707, from what I can tell...and I'm no expert.

After Googling one of the pg.707 callouts, the best I can tell is that the "pg" was used in older versions of FS, maybe 2002 or before.  That still may not help recreate the needed corrections for a for good working version of this 2009 707.

So, unless we can come up with details on what the pg.707 is, we might have to end this thread and call it a lost cause.

/me

Excuse me butting in here. If this is no help then I won't be offended if you tell me to go away. I checked this aircraft out some time ago. Just to make sure we're talking about the same one the file name is 1B707V09.zip. A Panel.cfg for FSX is included in the folder named "files for fsx". This should be pasted into the Panel folder of the 707.

Now for the extra gauges. The file named 2b707gauges.zip contains a total of 5 gauges in 2 separate folders. These are named B737_800.cab, F27_Brk_Hdl.gau, FAL_AP.cab, ST_Dash.CAB & cpt.toggles.steel.cab. Paste all 5 gauges into the Panel folder of the 707.

The file named 3FS9Gauges.zip contains another 5 gauges that appear to be FS9 default files. (It would have made things so much easier if these had been included with FSX in the first place. ) It should be possible to paste these into your FSX\Gauges folder without any conflicts. They will also be recognised from the Panel folder of the 707 but only for this particular aircraft.

I only have the FSX Demo so I don't know if any other gauges are missing or required.  I'm not sure if you will need an FS9 module named msvcr70.dll for some of these gauges to display properly. If you wish to try it but don't have FS9 the file should be posted on one of the usual FS sites. A quick search should find it. Paste it into the FSX root directory.

PS. I carefully checked the FSX Panel.cfg & a lot of the 3rd party gauges are still missing. These appear to be FS98-style gauges used on the original FS2002 panel by Helio Estrela. The incompatible gauges simply haven't been included in the two gauge updates.

Hagar wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2009 at 2:04pm:


Hagar,
I'd never mind anyone joining in.  I used to have FS9 on this computer, don't anymore, but I can tell you that the point of this entire thread has been those much older gauges.  To bad someone doesn't have a working much older version of FS that we can at least see what these gauges SHOULD look like.  Then we can recreate new ones.

It's a shame because this 707 is otherwise a very nice package.  That's why I'm making a fuss...it'd be great to have a good working full package like this.

ND6849C

This is one of the most confusing installations I have ever seen!

I installed it, following all instructions. I put NO gauges in the main gauge folder, as it never says to do this, instead, I put them ALL in the panel folder along with the FSX version of the Panel.cfg.

I got a call out for each of the FS9 gauges that are required, asking if it was OK to run as trusted software, and all were accepted without the dreaded FS98 error.

I did not have the .dll module that Hagar mentioned installed at the time these shots were taken, but I have now copied it into my FSX root folder and will be testing again after I post this to test and see if that makes a difference.

And this is what I got, is this what you see?

Each set of shots starts with the first view and then progresses through each Shift+# combo up through 8

VC
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC9.jpg



2D panel
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d9.jpg

ShaneG wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2009 at 7:38pm:

I don't think it matters where you put those gauges. They should work from either location. The reason you didn't get the error is that the FS98 gauges aren't included.

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I could be wrong about that module. Nobody seems to be able to confirm that the problem was fixed in one of the FSX updates. It could be in one of the Windows system folders.

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These are very similar to the results I'm getting in the FSX Demo. I'm wondering if part of the problem is that ND6849C is running FSX Standard Edition.

I had a look inside all of the cab files that came with this package and there are no gauges included with the pg.707 prefix in their name, so I went on a hunt for the original version of this plane and discovered that it never came with the gauges included, instead it used a third party panel which included these gauges and was made for FS2002.

I found this panel (file name: he707v1.zip and the fix: panel_109110.zip) and inside were all of the pg.707 gauges.

These gauges are listed in the panel.cfg for the FSX version, but are not included with the download, so I am copying them into the panel folder and will test and report back what happens.

pg.707.cd.apdis.gau
pg.707.compass.gau
pg.707.hghb.alt.gau
pg.707.level.gau
pg.707.rp.ap2.gau

Yep, just found out the hard way.

I'm going to see now if I can find some FSX stock or compatible gauges that will work as decent substitutes.

I think the easiest method would be to install the panel to FS9. The FS98 gauges should work & you can see what they look like. Alternatively, if you have FS Panel Studio or CfgEdit open the panel in that.

Unless you have a different version of the FSX panel than me I reckon there's a lot more missing gauges than you think. To do this properly will involve a lot of work. I found a couple of the gauges in your error messages if this is any help.

CfgEdit is the predecessor of FS Panel Studio. It's very useful but cannot read XML gauges. Not really much help for this job.

For Dave,

Going back to my thoughts on the pg.707 callouts I mentioned, and for the sake of the forum, I am posting this here, I have a temporary update, but I wanted to check first.

Let me first remind you that I no longer have FS9 on my system, but actually found out it's on the system, I had just deleted the icon off my desktop.  In a way that's good news.  I broke out disc 4 and started the program, saw that the log file didn't have anything in it, but all of the FS9 aircraft (including addons) were there.  So here's what I did:

Took the FS9 gauges dir and put the contents into a dir in the FSX/Gauges dir (BTW, it does include those pg.707 files).

I haven't moved any of those pg. files or searched for any others that might be related to the missing ones into the 707/panel folder yet.

Before I do, now that I have a relatively safe spot, for space sake I want to remove FS9 completely from the hard drive.  I want to make sure I can do so without having to save anything else. (note, I've already moved over any aircraft I want to FSX).

Please let me know before I proceed...thanks

ND6849C

ND6849C wrote on Feb 27^th, 2009 at 7:45pm:

Don't hold your breath. Shane seems to have removed a couple of his replies for some reason but I got the impression he's retired hurt. I'm handicapped by having only the FSX Demo to work with but at least that shows which gauges are incompatible.

To recap, the gauges you're having problems with are
pg.707.cd.apdis.gau
pg.707.compass.gau
pg.707.hghb.alt.gau
pg.707.level.gau
pg.707.rp.ap2.gau

These were included with the original FS2002 version of the 707 panel (he707v1.zip) & are FS98 gauges. They will work in FS9 but there is no way of getting them working in FSX. They're not included with the 707 or the 2 gauge updates posted in the FSX section so you must have installed them from the original download. If these incompatible gauges aren't installed either in your FSX\Gauges folder or the Panel folder of the 707 you won't get any error message, they simply won't display on the panel.

As I pointed out in my previous reply, you will still need some FS9 default gauges for the missing gauges shown on the left of the panel in Shane's shots to display. These are
Cessna.gau
Mooney_Bravo.gau

This is the best I can get with the updated FSX Panel.cfg included in 1B707V09.zip. Some gauges including the five FS98 gauges listed above are still missing.

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 5:48am:

It might be possible to replace some of the missing gauges with FSX defaults. I'm at a disadvantage there as I don't have a full set.

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I can't understand why that engine pop-up panel displays without gauges. It's already configured to use the Concorde.gau included in the gauge update. I tried replacing it with a duplicate of the gauge renamed Concorde1.gau with no success. However, I'm not really sure why it's necessary. As you point out it could be removed. In fact, once you have all the missing gauges not much needs fixing at all.

Another thing puzzles me. If you compare your VC shot wih mine you will see that I'm missing part of the VC in front of the throttle console. It appears to be eye-candy with no functional gauges but I can't figure that out.
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/fs9707vc.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/da-fsx707vc1.jpg

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:14am:

OK. I figured it out. It's a bug with the Air France model I've been using for testing.

From what I can see most of those pop-ups are unnecessary. They could be removed without any problems. That leaves a couple of those incompatible gauges on the main 2D panel & VC to replace. Shouldn't be difficult.

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:06am:

Apparently not. That could be a problem.

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:56am:

I just tried it with pop-ups from the CRJ_700. No problems here. I suspect you forgot something.

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 8:14am:

I admire your perseverance. Most people would have given up long ago. I've come to the conclusion that we're wasting our time unless the problem with those VC gauges can be fixed.

I ran a check on missing gauges from the main panel & VC. There are more than I thought.

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 8:26am:

If it had a proper FSX model & the author did not protect it you could do exactly that. It's possible to swap VCs in the FSX defaults. Unfortunately a lot of the freeware developers seem to object to other people interfering with their work in this way.

Shane, Hager, though it may no longer matter..   

For the 'missing engines gauges' in the engine gauge pop-up (shift+6?).....it's an omission in the gauge= lines for the concorde gauges.

Compare the lines from the 2d or VC banel and you'll see the lines in the pop up are missing a comma before the final digit.

I agree with Shane that most of the pop ups could/should be scrapped. All functions are available in the 2D or VC plus the radio and overhead pop ups (plus the GPS for modern convenience).

Dave

dave3cu wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 9:01am:

Thanks Dave. I wonder why CfgEdit didn't pick that up.

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 9:24am:

I wasn't inferring that you had objections.

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Unfortunately that would not be possible with most 3rd party aircraft. I believe that most FSX 'designers' (for want of a better word) code their files to prevent it. That's what I was talking about.

dave3cu wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 9:42am:

I understand that Dave. I manually modified the CFG accordingly & it now works fine.

ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 9:45am:

Indeed. With certain exceptions I think this is a misguided & short-sighted attitude.

Fr. Bill wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 12:45pm:



Thank you so much!  This should make quite a few of my pet projects in FS9 a lot easier.

I'm also preparing to get PanelStudio, as it looks to be an invaluable resource to have for these kind of situations.

EDIT: just seen that it only goes to FS2002, will it still work for FS9?

Hagar wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 12:59pm:



How I ever missed that entire section is beyond me!

There's all kinds of great things in there! 

Thanks again!