Simviation Forum - 2009 707 Gauge Error in FSX

Reply #30 - Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 3:54pm

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CfgEdit is the predecessor of FS Panel Studio. It's very useful but cannot read XML gauges. Not really much help for this job.

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Reply #31 - Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 4:22pm

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 3:20pm:

As you can see in this pic of the VC, the main differance in appearance was the three missing gauges on the left side of the panel and the area where the autopilot is on the FSX version.

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/fs9707vc.jpg

The 3 missing gauges on the left appear to be the FS9 default Cessna.gau & Mooney_Bravo.gau plus the clock from B737_800.cab.

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Reply #32 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 6:57pm

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For Dave,

Going back to my thoughts on the pg.707 callouts I mentioned, and for the sake of the forum, I am posting this here, I have a temporary update, but I wanted to check first.

Let me first remind you that I no longer have FS9 on my system, but actually found out it's on the system, I had just deleted the icon off my desktop. In a way that's good news. I broke out disc 4 and started the program, saw that the log file didn't have anything in it, but all of the FS9 aircraft (including addons) were there. So here's what I did:

Took the FS9 gauges dir and put the contents into a dir in the FSX/Gauges dir (BTW, it does include those pg.707 files).

I haven't moved any of those pg. files or searched for any others that might be related to the missing ones into the 707/panel folder yet.

Before I do, now that I have a relatively safe spot, for space sake I want to remove FS9 completely from the hard drive. I want to make sure I can do so without having to save anything else. (note, I've already moved over any aircraft I want to FSX).

Please let me know before I proceed...thanks

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Reply #33 - Feb 27^th, 2009 at 7:45pm

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I want to thank you guys for your help. I'm going to wait and see how the latest developments pan out.

But, I did d/l Arolt's, and yes it does have a nicer co pilot! LOL

I'm still really hoping for a good working version of the 2009 707.

In the mean time, I'm going to jump into an Airbus and practice my STO's from KLGA (Sully Take Off's)

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Reply #34 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 4:56am

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ND6849C wrote on Feb 27^th, 2009 at 7:45pm:

I want to thank you guys for your help. I'm going to wait and see how the latest developments pan out.

Don't hold your breath. Shane seems to have removed a couple of his replies for some reason but I got the impression he's retired hurt. I'm handicapped by having only the FSX Demo to work with but at least that shows which gauges are incompatible.

To recap, the gauges you're having problems with are
pg.707.cd.apdis.gau
pg.707.compass.gau
pg.707.hghb.alt.gau
pg.707.level.gau
pg.707.rp.ap2.gau

These were included with the original FS2002 version of the 707 panel (he707v1.zip) & are FS98 gauges. They will work in FS9 but there is no way of getting them working in FSX. They're not included with the 707 or the 2 gauge updates posted in the FSX section so you must have installed them from the original download. If these incompatible gauges aren't installed either in your FSX\Gauges folder or the Panel folder of the 707 you won't get any error message, they simply won't display on the panel.

As I pointed out in my previous reply, you will still need some FS9 default gauges for the missing gauges shown on the left of the panel in Shane's shots to display. These are
Cessna.gau
Mooney_Bravo.gau

This is the best I can get with the updated FSX Panel.cfg included in 1B707V09.zip. Some gauges including the five FS98 gauges listed above are still missing.

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Reply #35 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 5:48am

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Nah, I'm still here. Down, but not out. Grin

The compass gauge was an easy replace. I've let the FS9 version go. In my opinion, the two are just two different to continue with that one. Instead, I'm just focusing on finding gauges for the 2009 version.

From your help with Cfg Edit, I belive most of the work is here:

Shift 5 needs the ALT SEL light, and the knob

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC5.jpg

Shift 6 needs an entire set of engine gauges (normally handled by concorde gauge):

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC6.jpg

Shift 8 needs the location of the chronometer fixed, and the three missing fs9 gauges put into it from Shift 7 as they appear to be the same panel only it's the right seat. Really useless I think to have this panel anyway as there is nothing here that is not in the other. Roll Eyes

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC8.jpg

What gets me the most, is that other than the missing engine gauges and the compass, the rest of what I've noticed to be missing seem to be just static image gauges that don't do anything (non clickable)

As I said, most of these panels were useless eye candy in the FS9 version.

I would eliminate most of the pop up windows in this plane just for their apparent uselessness. If you fly in VC mode or even the 2d panel, there is nothing in these pop ups other than the GPS that is needed or cannot be easily seen and managed in normal views.

The answer to fixing the pop ups is in the main panels as what is missing in the popups clearly works on the main VC and 2D.

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Reply #36 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:05am

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 5:48am:

From your help with Cfg Edit, I belive most of the work is here:

Shift 5 needs the ALT SEL light, and the knob

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC5.jpg

It might be possible to replace some of the missing gauges with FSX defaults. I'm at a disadvantage there as I don't have a full set.

Quote:

Shift 6 needs an entire set of engine gauges (normally handled by concorde gauge):

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC6.jpg

I can't understand why that engine pop-up panel displays without gauges. It's already configured to use the Concorde.gau included in the gauge update. I tried replacing it with a duplicate of the gauge renamed Concorde1.gau with no success. However, I'm not really sure why it's necessary. As you point out it could be removed. In fact, once you have all the missing gauges not much needs fixing at all.

Another thing puzzles me. If you compare your VC shot wih mine you will see that I'm missing part of the VC in front of the throttle console. It appears to be eye-candy with no functional gauges but I can't figure that out.
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/fs9707vc.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/da-fsx707vc1.jpg

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Reply #37 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:14am

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Hagar wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:05am:

Another thing puzzles me. If you compare your VC shot wih mine you will see that I'm missing part of the VC in front of the throttle console. It appears to be eye-candy with no functional gauges but I can't figure that out.
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/fs9707vc.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/da-fsx707vc1.jpg

Now that is strange, Huh

Does it show in the 2D panel?
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d1.jpg

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Reply #38 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:29am

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:14am:

Hagar wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:05am:

Another thing puzzles me. If you compare your VC shot wih mine you will see that I'm missing part of the VC in front of the throttle console. It appears to be eye-candy with no functional gauges but I can't figure that out.
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/fs9707vc.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/da-fsx707vc1.jpg

Now that is strange, Huh

Does it show in the 2D panel?
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d1.jpg

OK. I figured it out. It's a bug with the Air France model I've been using for testing.

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Reply #39 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:37am

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I'm getting really tempted to just come up with an alternate panel.cfg for this plane and replace all those popup windows with more useful ones.

Wouldn't be to hard, and would provide more functionality to them. Wink

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Reply #40 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 6:41am

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From what I can see most of those pop-ups are unnecessary. They could be removed without any problems. That leaves a couple of those incompatible gauges on the main 2D panel & VC to replace. Shouldn't be difficult.

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Reply #41 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:06am

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Is anything in your VC clickable? Nothing in mine is, My 2d panel is fully functional, but not the VC. Undecided

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Reply #42 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:34am

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:06am:

Is anything in your VC clickable? Nothing in mine is, My 2d panel is fully functional, but not the VC. Undecided

Apparently not. That could be a problem.

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Reply #43 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:56am

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Bad news, this panel is apparently protected somehow. Every time I try to modify it, I get a CTD when I click fly now.

It doesn't seem to mind gauge swapping, but it won't allow me to change popup windows at all.

I was trying to substitute popup windows from the 737,747, and the lear, as I have done this before with several other planes, but had no luck with this one.

I understand if a designer wants to protect his work, but jeez, only do it if everything works correctly. Roll Eyes

Back to plan A. Cheesy

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Reply #44 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 8:12am

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 28^th, 2009 at 7:56am:

Bad news, this panel is apparently protected somehow. Every time I try to modify it, I get a CTD when I click fly now.

It doesn't seem to mind gauge swapping, but it won't allow me to change popup windows at all.

I was trying to substitute popup windows from the 737,747, and the lear, as I have done this before with several other planes, but had no luck with this one.

I just tried it with pop-ups from the CRJ_700. No problems here. I suspect you forgot something.

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