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2009 707 Gauge Error in FSX (Read 8089 times)
Reply #15 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 6:32pm

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"pg" stands for "Paul Golding" ...those gauges were developed for a
prior FS B707 and most likely will not work in FSX, as I recall.

It seems that others have sucessfuly downloaded and installed
the B707 version you are having problems with.

Perhaps it is best to delete it and start the installtion process
over again. Be SURE to place ALL gauges for that installation
in the aircrafts PANEL folder. That way there is no chance that
another version in your main GAUGES folder will cause problems,
unless of course the panel.cfg file is in error.


Paul,

I think I'll retry that install and let you know...but those older gauges by Paul Golding are most likely the culprit.  Too bad we can't find someone who has a good working copy to upload some screen shots.  Then amongst ourselves we can recreate some working gauges...just a thought.

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Reply #16 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 6:48pm

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Hagar wrote on Feb 22nd, 2009 at 2:04pm:
Excuse me butting in here.

PS. I carefully checked the FSX Panel.cfg & a lot of the 3rd party gauges are still missing. These appear to be FS98-style gauges used on the original FS2002 panel by Helio Estrela. The incompatible gauges simply haven't been included in the two gauge updates.


Hagar,
I'd never mind anyone joining in.  I used to have FS9 on this computer, don't anymore, but I can tell you that the point of this entire thread has been those much older gauges.  To bad someone doesn't have a working much older version of FS that we can at least see what these gauges SHOULD look like.  Then we can recreate new ones.

It's a shame because this 707 is otherwise a very nice package.  That's why I'm making a fuss...it'd be great to have a good working full package like this.

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Reply #17 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 6:55pm

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ND6849C wrote on Feb 22nd, 2009 at 6:48pm:
Hagar wrote on Feb 22nd, 2009 at 2:04pm:
Excuse me butting in here.

PS. I carefully checked the FSX Panel.cfg & a lot of the 3rd party gauges are still missing. These appear to be FS98-style gauges used on the original FS2002 panel by Helio Estrela. The incompatible gauges simply haven't been included in the two gauge updates.


Hagar,
I'd never mind anyone joining in.  I used to have FS9 on this computer, don't anymore, but I can tell you that the point of this entire thread has been those much older gauges.  To bad someone doesn't have a working much older version of FS that we can at least see what these gauges SHOULD look like.  Then we can recreate new ones.

It's a shame because this 707 is otherwise a very nice package.  That's why I'm making a fuss...it'd be great to have a good working full package like this.

* Hagar

I have both FS2002 & FS9 installed. I could try the 707 in either or both if you wish. The older gauges appear to be used mainly on the VC & pop-up panels.
 
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Reply #18 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 7:38pm

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This is one of the most confusing installations I have ever seen! Shocked Shocked

I installed it, following all instructions. I put NO gauges in the main gauge folder, as it never says to do this, instead, I put them ALL in the panel folder along with the FSX version of the Panel.cfg.

I got a call out for each of the FS9 gauges that are required, asking if it was OK to run as trusted software, and all were accepted without the dreaded FS98 error.

I did not have the .dll module that Hagar mentioned installed at the time these shots were taken, but I have now copied it into my FSX root folder and will be testing again after I post this to test and see if that makes a difference.

And this is what I got, is this what you see?

Each set of shots starts with the first view and then progresses through each Shift+# combo up through 8

VC
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC9.jpg



2D panel
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d9.jpg
 
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Reply #19 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 7:51pm

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Update:  Adding the .dll made no difference to the appearance of any of the gauges or popup windows.

Installing it into FS9 now to test it there. Wink
 
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Reply #20 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 7:59pm

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 22nd, 2009 at 7:38pm:
This is one of the most confusing installations I have ever seen! Shocked Shocked

I installed it, following all instructions. I put NO gauges in the main gauge folder, as it never says to do this, instead, I put them ALL in the panel folder along with the FSX version of the Panel.cfg.

I got a call out for each of the FS9 gauges that are required, asking if it was OK to run as trusted software, and all were accepted without the dreaded FS98 error.

I don't think it matters where you put those gauges. They should work from either location. The reason you didn't get the error is that the FS98 gauges aren't included.

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I did not have the .dll module that Hagar mentioned installed at the time these shots were taken, but I have now copied it into my FSX root folder and will be testing again after I post this to test and see if that makes a difference.

I could be wrong about that module. Nobody seems to be able to confirm that the problem was fixed in one of the FSX updates. It could be in one of the Windows system folders.

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And this is what I got, is this what you see?

Each set of shots starts with the first view and then progresses through each Shift+# combo up through 8

VC
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/09707VC9.jpg



2D panel
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d1.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d2.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d3.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d4.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d5.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d6.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d7.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d8.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/097072d9.jpg

These are very similar to the results I'm getting in the FSX Demo. I'm wondering if part of the problem is that ND6849C is running FSX Standard Edition.
 
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Reply #21 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 8:04pm

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The version could be the difference. I'm running FSX deluxe with Acceleration installed. Wink

I got the exact same results in my FS9 also. Undecided


If I may, unless there is a specific reason you are really attracted to this particular model of 707,  I HIGHLY recommend Alrot's 707, It was designed with the FSX SDK's therefore it is entirely FSX native, looks just as nice as this one, has no problems whatsoever, and is a MUCH simpler install. Wink


EDIT: And the co-pilot is much nicer looking. Grin
 
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Reply #22 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 1:59pm

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I had a look inside all of the cab files that came with this package and there are no gauges included with the pg.707 prefix in their name, so I went on a hunt for the original version of this plane and discovered that it never came with the gauges included, instead it used a third party panel which included these gauges and was made for FS2002.

I found this panel (file name: he707v1.zip and the fix: panel_109110.zip) and inside were all of the pg.707 gauges.

These gauges are listed in the panel.cfg for the FSX version, but are not included with the download, so I am copying them into the panel folder and will test and report back what happens.

pg.707.cd.apdis.gau
pg.707.compass.gau
pg.707.hghb.alt.gau
pg.707.level.gau
pg.707.rp.ap2.gau
 
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Reply #23 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 2:02pm

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 1:59pm:
I found this panel (file name: he707v1.zip and the fix: panel_109110.zip) and inside were all of the pg.707 gauges.

These gauges are listed in the panel.cfg for the FSX version, but are not included with the download, so I am copying them into the panel folder and will test and report back what happens.

pg.707.cd.apdis.gau
pg.707.compass.gau
pg.707.hghb.alt.gau
pg.707.level.gau
pg.707.rp.ap2.gau

I can save you the trouble. These are the incompatible FS98 gauges.
 
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Reply #24 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 2:07pm

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Yep, just found out the hard way. Grin Wink

I'm going to see now if I can find some FSX stock or compatible gauges that will work as decent substitutes. Smiley
 
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Reply #25 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 2:33pm

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Now I need some help! Grin

I've got one taken care of, but not really sure what some of these gauges are, I think I know a couple, but older jets aren't my first skill set.

Here are the error messages that popped up for me and where I'm at with them:

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error1.jpg
(I believe this is autopilot master light)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error2.jpg
(Not sure what this one is)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error3.jpg
(Not sure what this one is)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error4.jpg
(This is the one I fixed by using the default Extra 300 XML compass)


http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/707error5.jpg
(Not sure what this one is)


If you know what these are,  it would help in tracking down a similar gauge in FSX.
 
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Reply #26 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 2:39pm

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I think the easiest method would be to install the panel to FS9. The FS98 gauges should work & you can see what they look like. Alternatively, if you have FS Panel Studio or CfgEdit open the panel in that.
 
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Reply #27 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 3:20pm

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Last update:  More things work in the FSX version than did the FS9 version.

Most of the popup panels are the same in both versions. The compass worked in FS9, but none of the other popup panels appear to do anything other than serve as eye-candy.
The one notable exception being a strange panel that has a switch for the pause and slew commands. Huh

As you can see in this pic of the VC, the main differance in appearance was the three missing gauges on the left side of the panel and the area where the autopilot is on the FSX version.

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/fs9707vc.jpg

 
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Reply #28 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 3:39pm

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Unless you have a different version of the FSX panel than me I reckon there's a lot more missing gauges than you think. To do this properly will involve a lot of work. I found a couple of the gauges in your error messages if this is any help.

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Reply #29 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 3:44pm

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That does help!  Smiley

And is that utility freeware? It looks EXTREMELY handy to have for situations like this one.



 
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