Simviation Forum - 2009 707 Gauge Error in FSX

Feb 14^th, 2009 at 7:23pm

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I'm trying to run the 2009 707 that was featured on Simviation's main page. I've sorted out a few problems, but can't get past some gauge errors whenever I select the aircraft.

The gauge errors come up saying that the gauge(s) are from a previous version of FS that wont work in FSX. The gauges say they are made by an an Andreas Jaros.

I'd really like to get all the gauges and panels in this 2009 707 to work properly. I can't really tell which gauges aren't working but there seems to be about 5 error windows that come up.

Please help,

ND6849C

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Reply #1 - Feb 15^th, 2009 at 2:37am

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ND6849C wrote on Feb 14^th, 2009 at 7:23pm:

I'm trying to run the 2009 707 that was featured on Simviation's main page. I've sorted out a few problems, but can't get past some gauge errors whenever I select the aircraft.

The gauge errors come up saying that the gauge(s) are from a previous version of FS that wont work in FSX. The gauges say they are made by an an Andreas Jaros.

I'd really like to get all the gauges and panels in this 2009 707 to work properly. I can't really tell which gauges aren't working but there seems to be about 5 error windows that come up.

Please help,

* ND6849C

Gauges made for FS98 will not work in FSX. Those error messages
will give you the name of the gauge(s) that are not FSX compatible.

You would need to find a replacement gauge made for FSX ( XML gauge )
of FS2002 gauges.

You can check a gauges version by right-clicking on the gauge file,
select "Properties" and ten "Version".
If it says "FS98" then it will not work in FSX.

The versions of the 707 that I have seen use a gauge file that contains
a good majority of the panel gauges. Thus, it will take alot of searching
and replacing of those various gauges and it may not be possible to
do that completely.

There is a B707-420 made for FSX by Alejandro Rojas Lucena ( Alrot ).
You would be better off getting that one instead of the one made for FS9.

Paul

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Reply #2 - Feb 16^th, 2009 at 11:26pm

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Gauges made for FS98 will not work in FSX. Those error messages will give you the name of the gauge(s) that are not FSX compatible.

This much I knew, but when I run the 707 it doesn't say which gauge, only that it's too early and made by Andreas Jaros.

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You would need to find a replacement gauge made for FSX ( XML gauge )
of FS2002 gauges.

Thus the purpuse of my original msg.

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You can check a gauges version by right-clicking on the gauge file, select "Properties" and ten "Version". If it says "FS98" then it will not work in FSX.

If I knew just where to find these culprit gauges, I could do that. Again, I'm not sure what gauges are the bad ones

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There is a B707-420 made for FSX by Alejandro Rojas Lucena ( Alrot ).
You would be better off getting that one instead of the one made for FS9.

I'll look for Alejandro's 707, but I should point out that the hype that came on Simviation main page last month said that the 2009 707 was FSX ready....that's why I was so suprised at all of the old gauge callouts.

ND6849C

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Reply #3 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:35am

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I see there are 2 downloads immediately following the 2009 707 on page 62 and 63. 'Boeing 707 Additional Gauges 1', and '.......Gauges 2'.

Maybe these address your gauge issues??.....

~~....or if you have them installed, I might suspect the gauges from the Concorde.gau, as it is an FS2000 gauge.~~

Dave

Update: installed the ac and both additional gauge packs. The only messages I get are the usual 'Security warning' and 'Trusted?' for the Concorde, f27_brk_hdl and Lear_45 gauges. Gauges seem to work fine. (running FSX-SP2)

« Last Edit: Feb 17^th, 2009 at 3:30pm by dave3cu »

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Reply #4 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 7:02pm

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dave3cu wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:35am:

I see there are 2 downloads immediately following the 2009 707 on page 62 and 63. 'Boeing 707 Additional Gauges 1', and '.......Gauges 2'.

Maybe these address your gauge issues??.....

~~....or if you have them installed, I might suspect the gauges from the Concorde.gau, as it is an FS2000 gauge.~~

Dave

Update: installed the ac and both additional gauge packs. The only messages I get are the usual 'Security warning' and 'Trusted?' for the Concorde, f27_brk_hdl and Lear_45 gauges. Gauges seem to work fine. (running FSX-SP2)

Ok, just so I get this correct, I'm going to play "REAL stupid". I have each of those zip files, I can extract them with the directory names that the files call out for, but that won't put them where they need to be.

Looking at the 2b707gauges.zip, there are cab files and a gauge file. Do all of these go into my Microsoft Fliht Simulator X/Gauges dir? And if they do, do I overwrite existing files?

Once I tackle this part, I'll deal with the 3FS9Gauges.zip file.

Thanks.

ND6849C

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Reply #5 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:10pm

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First...a caution: Due to the difficulty in recovering FSX default files, NEVER overwrite any default files unless you have made backups first.

Second...a question: are you running FSX w/Acceleration? I'm curious as none of the gauges (from downloads 2 or 3) throw errors with FSX SP2.

Once you have the 707 installed, copy all .gau and .cab files from downloads 2 and 3 to the 707's \panel\ folder. (Just the files, no folders. There are 10 files total)

Putting them in the \panel\ folder rather than the main \Gauges\ folder eliminates the possibility of overwriting default files and makes cleanup easier if you ever elect to remove the aircraft.

If you don't have the 707 installed, or going to uninstall/reinstall let me know. I can give you revised instructions for the install that will save about 1GB of disc space.

Dave

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Reply #6 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 6:03am

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dave3cu wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:10pm:

First...a caution: Due to the difficulty in recovering FSX default files, NEVER overwrite any default files unless you have made backups first.

Second...a question: are you running FSX w/Acceleration? I'm curious as none of the gauges (from downloads 2 or 3) throw errors with FSX SP2.

Once you have the 707 installed, copy all .gau and .cab files from downloads 2 and 3 to the 707's \panel\ folder. (Just the files, no folders. There are 10 files total)

Putting them in the \panel\ folder rather than the main \Gauges\ folder eliminates the possibility of overwriting default files and makes cleanup easier if you ever elect to remove the aircraft.

If you don't have the 707 installed, or going to uninstall/reinstall let me know. I can give you revised instructions for the install that will save about 1GB of disc space.

Dave,
I am running FSX Standard SP2 and have the 2009 707 installed.

That said, unless I see a reply to this when I get home from work later today, I'll put the gauges from 2 and 3 in the 707's /panel folder and test it out. I should be able to give you the results before the end of the day.

/me

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Reply #7 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 7:26pm

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ND6849C wrote on Feb 18^th, 2009 at 6:03am:

dave3cu wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:10pm:

First...a caution: Due to the difficulty in recovering FSX default files, NEVER overwrite any default files unless you have made backups first.

Second...a question: are you running FSX w/Acceleration? I'm curious as none of the gauges (from downloads 2 or 3) throw errors with FSX SP2.

Once you have the 707 installed, copy all .gau and .cab files from downloads 2 and 3 to the 707's \panel\ folder. (Just the files, no folders. There are 10 files total)

Putting them in the \panel\ folder rather than the main \Gauges\ folder eliminates the possibility of overwriting default files and makes cleanup easier if you ever elect to remove the aircraft.

If you don't have the 707 installed, or going to uninstall/reinstall let me know. I can give you revised instructions for the install that will save about 1GB of disc space.

Dave,
I am running FSX Standard SP2 and have the 2009 707 installed.

That said, unless I see a reply to this when I get home from work later today, I'll put the gauges from 2 and 3 in the 707's /panel folder and test it out. I should be able to give you the results before the end of the day.

* dave3cu

ND6849's UPDATE:

I added all the gauges to the panel folder as indicated. When I fired up the 707 I got several "This gauge is not supported" type errors. 6 I think. I did notice that some things that were previously missing in some of the SHIFT 1-9 views are now present with the exception of errors coming up again and specific blank areas on the SHIFT 4 and SHIFT 5.

That's a good revalation. Now we can narrow down what should be there and what I need to look for.

Dave, what's in the Shift 4 and Shift 5?

ND6849C

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Reply #8 - Feb 18^th, 2009 at 9:14pm

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ND6849C wrote on Feb 16^th, 2009 at 11:26pm:

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I'll look for Alejandro's 707, but I should point out that the hype that came on Simviation main page last month said that the 2009 707 was FSX ready....that's why I was so suprised at all of the old gauge callouts.

* ND6849C

The plane is a true FSX-SDK SP2 Model and you can find it in my site

http://www.simviation.com/fsnd/Downloads.htm

there will be another release this week a b727-200 but as a true FSX model too

Undecided

Gotta fix that Download HTML area looks bad Tongue

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Reply #9 - Feb 19^th, 2009 at 11:59am

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The 3 downloads I have installed for this aircraft are from SimV's FSX-Civil Jets-pages 62 and 63. 1-the aircraft, 2 and 3 the gauge packs. None of the gauges throw errors, all are from or compiled for FS2004.

Did you download the ac from somewhere else, or install any previoius version, or any gauges/gauge packs for pervious versions?

What gauges/gauge packs did you have installed initially?..when the errors first occured.

Have you gotten these errors when installing any other addon ac?

From what I've been able to find, when this aircraft was originally upgraded to FSX, the panel was aliased to the default 747. In this release, with panel, it appears he upgraded from his 2002/2004 panel. In the process, many gauge calls from the 2002/2004 panel are still there. If the gauges are not in FSX, no problem. If, however, any of these gauges made their way to your FSX, and they are outdated....voila!, errors.

Dave

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Reply #10 - Feb 19^th, 2009 at 7:31pm

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dave3cu wrote on Feb 19^th, 2009 at 11:59am:

The 3 downloads I have installed for this aircraft are from SimV's FSX-Civil Jets-pages 62 and 63. 1-the aircraft, 2 and 3 the gauge packs. None of the gauges throw errors, all are from or compiled for FS2004.

Did you download the ac from somewhere else, or install any previoius version, or any gauges/gauge packs for pervious versions?

I downloaded the ac from simviation on 1/27/09.

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What gauges/gauge packs did you have installed initially?..when the errors first occured.

Whatever was in the pack. Note: I don't have 2004 on my pc anymore.

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Have you gotten these errors when installing any other addon ac?

Only in this ac.

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From what I've been able to find, when this aircraft was originally upgraded to FSX, the panel was aliased to the default 747. In this release, with panel, it appears he upgraded from his 2002/2004 panel. In the process, many gauge calls from the 2002/2004 panel are still there. If the gauges are not in FSX, no problem. If, however, any of these gauges made their way to your FSX, and they are outdated....voila!, errors.

Dave

That's probably why I'm getting the errors without naming the gauges, just that they are FS98 or earlier and authored by Andreas Jaros. I don't have any other of Jaros's ac, so naturally the errors.

That's why I suggested the Shift-4 and Shift 5. That's where the screeens that I see things incorrectly or not at all. Can you bring up your panel and hit those items and see what's missing. Maybe you can tell what gauges those screeens call out?

Still trying to solve this...

ND6849C

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Reply #11 - Feb 19^th, 2009 at 8:23pm

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If you only had the ac (1B707V09.zip) installed (neither of the gauge packs) when you first got the errors, then the errant gauges are likely in your main ..\gauges\ folder. To check, remove all of the gauge files (.cab and .gau) from the ..\panel\ folder. Load the aircraft and see if you still get the errors. Let me know the results.

Shift+4 is a compass, Shift+5 is some autopilot controls. Both are empty in my install as they are from gauge files not included in the 3 downloads.

Dave

Append: sent you a PM-2/20-10:25amCST

« Last Edit: Feb 20^th, 2009 at 11:26am by dave3cu »

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Reply #12 - Feb 22^nd, 2009 at 1:24pm

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dave3cu wrote on Feb 19^th, 2009 at 8:23pm:

If you only had the ac (1B707V09.zip) installed (neither of the gauge packs) when you first got the errors, then the errant gauges are likely in your main ..\gauges\ folder. To check, remove all of the gauge files (.cab and .gau) from the ..\panel\ folder. Load the aircraft and see if you still get the errors. Let me know the results.

Shift+4 is a compass, Shift+5 is some autopilot controls. Both are empty in my install as they are from gauge files not included in the 3 downloads.

Dave

Append: sent you a PM-2/20-10:25amCST

Knowing that shift4 is a compass and shift5 is AP stuff may help, but I think the problem lies in the gauge callouts for the pg.707, from what I can tell...and I'm no expert.

After Googling one of the pg.707 callouts, the best I can tell is that the "pg" was used in older versions of FS, maybe 2002 or before. That still may not help recreate the needed corrections for a for good working version of this 2009 707.

So, unless we can come up with details on what the pg.707 is, we might have to end this thread and call it a lost cause.

/me

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Reply #13 - Feb 22^nd, 2009 at 1:37pm

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ND6849C wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2009 at 1:24pm:

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Knowing that shift4 is a compass and shift5 is AP stuff may help, but I think the problem lies in the gauge callouts for the pg.707, from what I can tell...and I'm no expert.

After Googling one of the pg.707 callouts, the best I can tell is that the "pg" was used in older versions of FS, maybe 2002 or before. That still may not help recreate the needed corrections for a for good working version of this 2009 707.

So, unless we can come up with details on what the pg.707 is, we might have to end this thread and call it a lost cause.

* ND6849C

"pg" stands for "Paul Golding" ...those gauges were developed for a
prior FS B707 and most likely will not work in FSX, as I recall.

It seems that others have sucessfuly downloaded and installed
the B707 version you are having problems with.

Perhaps it is best to delete it and start the installtion process
over again. Be SURE to place ALL gauges for that installation
in the aircrafts PANEL folder. That way there is no chance that
another version in your main GAUGES folder will cause problems,
unless of course the panel.cfg file is in error.

Paul

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Reply #14 - Feb 22^nd, 2009 at 2:04pm

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Excuse me butting in here. If this is no help then I won't be offended if you tell me to go away. I checked this aircraft out some time ago. Just to make sure we're talking about the same one the file name is 1B707V09.zip. A Panel.cfg for FSX is included in the folder named "files for fsx". This should be pasted into the Panel folder of the 707.

Now for the extra gauges. The file named 2b707gauges.zip contains a total of 5 gauges in 2 separate folders. These are named B737_800.cab, F27_Brk_Hdl.gau, FAL_AP.cab, ST_Dash.CAB & cpt.toggles.steel.cab. Paste all 5 gauges into the Panel folder of the 707.

The file named 3FS9Gauges.zip contains another 5 gauges that appear to be FS9 default files. (It would have made things so much easier if these had been included with FSX in the first place. Roll Eyes

) It should be possible to paste these into your FSX\Gauges folder without any conflicts. They will also be recognised from the Panel folder of the 707 but only for this particular aircraft.

I only have the FSX Demo so I don't know if any other gauges are missing or required. I'm not sure if you will need an FS9 module named msvcr70.dll for some of these gauges to display properly. If you wish to try it but don't have FS9 the file should be posted on one of the usual FS sites. A quick search should find it. Paste it into the FSX root directory.

PS. I carefully checked the FSX Panel.cfg & a lot of the 3rd party gauges are still missing. These appear to be FS98-style gauges used on the original FS2002 panel by Helio Estrela. The incompatible gauges simply haven't been included in the two gauge updates.

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