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Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:52am

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"It's not such a big deal if the pilot is drunk," one representative said, according to the English-language Moscow Times, which had a reporter on board.

"Really, all he has to do is press a button and the plane flies itself. The worst that could happen is he'll trip over something in the cockpit."

No big deal, it was his birthday Shocked

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Reply #1 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 10:15am

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Great. After the next party I'll just put my car on cruise control and I'll have an excuse to tell the police...

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Reply #2 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 11:27am

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Wonder how many future customers have this stored in a safe place to use as evidence in all future law suites as as proof of Aeroflot careless disregard of their passengers and the general public's safety.

It's far more important for a pilot to have a good time at his birthday party. So the welfare and safety of his passengers and crew account for nothing. I never realized that one man could be so important.... Roll Eyes

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I can just imagine that being said about world leaders that only need to push one button to get the ball rolling..... Roll Eyes

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Reply #3 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 11:42am

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Great. After the next party I'll just put my car on cruise control and I'll have an excuse to tell the police...

I don't know how well they fared against highway tickets but, after their RV failed to successfully 'cruise' to the destination (after setting the cruise control they went to the back to rest), someone tried suing the manufacturer for a 'misleading' feature.

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Reply #4 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 12:15pm

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H wrote on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 11:42am:

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Great. After the next party I'll just put my car on cruise control and I'll have an excuse to tell the police...

I don't know how well they fared against highway tickets but, after their RV failed to successfully 'cruise' to the destination (after setting the cruise control they went to the back to rest), someone tried suing the manufacturer for a 'misleading' feature.

I think that's an urban legend with no basis in fact. http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp

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Reply #5 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:20pm

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This is shocking, and I'm wondering if there is more to the story than the British media is willing to reveal or acknowledge. Undecided

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I find it hard to believe that an international airline from ANY country would consider crew drunkenness "no big deal" and would want to continue with the flight, although if you have more sources to prove the original article's accuracy, I would appreciate seeing them.

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Reply #6 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:35pm

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Sean_TK wrote on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:20pm:

This is shocking, and I'm wondering if there is more to the story than the British media is willing to reveal or acknowledge. Undecided

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I find it hard to believe that an international airline from ANY country would consider crew drunkenness "no big deal" and would want to continue with the flight, although if you have more sources to prove the original article's accuracy, I would appreciate seeing them.

I don't think the British media could be accused of that. If anything the opposite is true.

The story was reported in the Moscow Times which as far as I'm aware is unconnected with the British media. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/600/42/374157.htm

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Reply #7 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:50pm

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Ah, there we go...that's what I was looking for.....well........again, that's certainly shocking. I definitely will be avoiding doing any business with Aeroflot in the future. Wink

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Reply #8 - Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm

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So people were shocked that Russian pilots were drinking? Weird, very weird, I thought this was normal practice. And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

And in all car owners book, it tells you that cruise control is no substitute for actually driving the car.

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Reply #9 - Feb 5^th, 2009 at 11:01pm

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

An aircraft may be on autopilot while in cruise, but that doesn't mean that flight crews don't have responsibilities. Alcohol affects judgment, it reduces attention, and slows reaction speed. There is a reason why you shouldn't drive while under the influence, and pilots drinking during, or prior to flying should not be tolerated.

If something were to happen mid-flight, wouldn't you want your flightcrew to be able to react accordingly?

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Reply #10 - Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:33am

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BFMF wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 11:01pm:

OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

An aircraft may be on autopilot while in cruise, but that doesn't mean that flight crews don't have responsibilities. Alcohol affects judgment, it reduces attention, and slows reaction speed. There is a reason why you shouldn't drive while under the influence, and pilots drinking during, or prior to flying should not be tolerated.

If something were to happen mid-flight, wouldn't you want your flightcrew to be able to react accordingly?

Pilots have been flying drunk since the 60's, and Russian pilots have been notorious for this. But the guy was hung over, not plastered, from the night before. Pure Oxygen does wonders for your hang over, according to many pilots I know. It's not like they drink on the plane....as far as we know.

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Reply #11 - Feb 7^th, 2009 at 10:36am

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The Airbus-generation pilots

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Reply #12 - Feb 7^th, 2009 at 10:52am

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The spokesperson sounds much like the instant-airline captains we get here...

"How do I autoland?"

"Why won't my 747 turn 150 degrees to intercept the ILS 3/4 mile away from the airport at 240 knots?"

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Reply #13 - Feb 9^th, 2009 at 8:56am

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

Tell that one to Captain Sullenberger. Cool

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Reply #14 - Feb 9^th, 2009 at 1:28pm

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Feb 7^th, 2009 at 10:36am:

The Airbus-generation pilots

Except it was a Boeing 767 Tongue

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Reply #15 - Feb 9^th, 2009 at 4:49pm

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JBaymore wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 8:56am:

OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

Tell that one to Captain Sullenberger. Cool

Cool

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I don't under stand what he has to do with any thing, but ok.

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Reply #16 - Feb 9^th, 2009 at 11:40pm

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 4:49pm:

JBaymore wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 8:56am:

OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

Tell that one to Captain Sullenberger. Cool

Cool

best,

................john

I don't under stand what he has to do with any thing, but ok.

If he was drunk or totally hungover at the moment the geese struck the plane,.....it is likely that the eventual outcome would have been quite different.

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Reply #17 - Feb 11^th, 2009 at 2:42am

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:33am:

BFMF wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 11:01pm:

OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

An aircraft may be on autopilot while in cruise, but that doesn't mean that flight crews don't have responsibilities. Alcohol affects judgment, it reduces attention, and slows reaction speed. There is a reason why you shouldn't drive while under the influence, and pilots drinking during, or prior to flying should not be tolerated.

If something were to happen mid-flight, wouldn't you want your flightcrew to be able to react accordingly?

Pilots have been flying drunk since the 60's, and Russian pilots have been notorious for this. But the guy was hung over, not plastered, from the night before. Pure Oxygen does wonders for your hang over, according to many pilots I know. It's not like they drink on the plane....as far as we know.

Aircraft are not pressurised with pure oxygen.

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Reply #18 - Feb 11^th, 2009 at 4:40am

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:33am:

BFMF wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 11:01pm:

OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

An aircraft may be on autopilot while in cruise, but that doesn't mean that flight crews don't have responsibilities. Alcohol affects judgment, it reduces attention, and slows reaction speed. There is a reason why you shouldn't drive while under the influence, and pilots drinking during, or prior to flying should not be tolerated.

If something were to happen mid-flight, wouldn't you want your flightcrew to be able to react accordingly?

Pilots have been flying drunk since the 60's, and Russian pilots have been notorious for this. But the guy was hung over, not plastered, from the night before. Pure Oxygen does wonders for your hang over, according to many pilots I know. It's not like they drink on the plane....as far as we know.

Aircraft are not pressurised with pure oxygen.

True, so just put on the O2 mask that is found in all cockpits and suck.

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Reply #19 - Feb 11^th, 2009 at 4:42am

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:33am:

BFMF wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 11:01pm:

OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

An aircraft may be on autopilot while in cruise, but that doesn't mean that flight crews don't have responsibilities. Alcohol affects judgment, it reduces attention, and slows reaction speed. There is a reason why you shouldn't drive while under the influence, and pilots drinking during, or prior to flying should not be tolerated.

If something were to happen mid-flight, wouldn't you want your flightcrew to be able to react accordingly?

Pilots have been flying drunk since the 60's, and Russian pilots have been notorious for this. But the guy was hung over, not plastered, from the night before. Pure Oxygen does wonders for your hang over, according to many pilots I know. It's not like they drink on the plane....as far as we know.

Aircraft are not pressurised with pure oxygen.

Aircraft are pressurised with compressed air. I don't think that's what Chris meant. Some pilots have been flying under the influence of alcohol since the early days. Whether you like it or not, flying & drinking have always gone hand in hand, especially with combat pilots on active duty. During WWII most of the BoB fighter pilots took off with a hangover & used a whiff of pure oxygen from their face mask to clear their heads. Nobody could blame them for that as they could be killed at any moment. This tradition carried over to the peacetime air forces & airlines after the war as the pilots that survived became senior officers & airline captains.

Regulations & detection methods are stricter now & it might not be so easily covered up. I'm not accusing all airline pilots of flying under the influence of drink or with hangovers by any means but please don't think that being an airline captain makes one a paragon of virtue.

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Reply #20 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 4:50pm

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Hagar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2009 at 4:42am:

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:33am:

BFMF wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 11:01pm:

OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:00pm:

And besides they have a point, after you put all the info into the Mission Computer, or what every civilian jets have, the plane will fly it self, while the pilot sucks down some fresh pure oxygen getting sober.

An aircraft may be on autopilot while in cruise, but that doesn't mean that flight crews don't have responsibilities. Alcohol affects judgment, it reduces attention, and slows reaction speed. There is a reason why you shouldn't drive while under the influence, and pilots drinking during, or prior to flying should not be tolerated.

If something were to happen mid-flight, wouldn't you want your flightcrew to be able to react accordingly?

Pilots have been flying drunk since the 60's, and Russian pilots have been notorious for this. But the guy was hung over, not plastered, from the night before. Pure Oxygen does wonders for your hang over, according to many pilots I know. It's not like they drink on the plane....as far as we know.

Aircraft are not pressurised with pure oxygen.

Aircraft are pressurized with compressed air. I don't think that's what Chris meant. Some pilots have been flying under the influence of alcohol since the early days. Whether you like it or not, flying & drinking have always gone hand in hand, especially with combat pilots on active duty. During WWII most of the BoB fighter pilots took off with a hangover & used a whiff of pure oxygen from their face mask to clear their heads. Nobody could blame them for that as they could be killed at any moment. This tradition carried over to the peacetime air forces & airlines after the war as the pilots that survived became senior officers & airline captains.

Regulations & detection methods are stricter now & it might not be so easily covered up. I'm not accusing all airline pilots of flying under the influence of drink or with hangovers by any means but please don't think that being an airline captain makes one a paragon of virtue.

That is exactly what I meant: Mask and bottles have pure oxygen, helps get rid of hang over.

And Back in the day you had to be crazy to get into plane with JP-4 and fly it, that's why a lot of pilots drank to calm the nerves or ease them selves.

Was it right? NO!
Does it still happen? YES!

Would I fly on the plane? Yes! I'm sitting in the back drinking, the pilot(s) are sitting up front sobering up.

The last time a 100% no drinking pilot had issues, they had to make and emergency landing because he the co pilot went crazy and started talking to him self, and was unresponsive to the AC, the flight attendants had to pry him out the cabin and restrain him in a seat.

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