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Jan 26th, 2009 at 7:52pm

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After reviewing the docs on i7 and looking at the tech information at FSINSIDER I have come to the conclusion that there MAY BE some value in running HT with i7 and FSX if the affinity mask edit is used


I personally do not have time to drop what I am doing and go into this and test it correctly .. therefore I am going to post this for people using i7 to try


NOTE: IF you are running 4GHz and enabling HT may push the temp of the i7 processor over the 80c limit you should reduce the clock on the processor to ensure safe operation. You may wish to stress test with HT enabled and establish your clock first before running this test.


Enter the BIOS and ENABLE this setting if it is not already enabled:

Intel HT Technology


In the FSX.cfg add the following if it is not already there

[JOBSCHEDULER]
AffinityMask=N


use these settings for N as you test and you must EXIT the sim and relaunch between changes

255 - all 8 in use

254 - 7 in use with the first remaining free

252 - 6 in use with the first entire CORE remaining free

127 - 7 in use with the last remaining free

63 - 6 in use with the last entire CORE remaining free


Verify the use and the perf then report back please.


There are some unanswered questions about the JOBSCHEDULER and what I posted in affinity mask settings above with i7 would answer a lot of them.





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Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 8:49am

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Hi Nick,

I will prepare a proper test results/conclusion report later today; discovered something interesting last night. 920 OC 3.8(4.0 was unstable), 1600 RAM(7-8-7-7-20). TWO cores, HT on, locked 28, 8SxQ, Affinitymask=255, two stock planes + one add-on and very smooth even in turns. Bufferpool=70000000, never have been able to use that entry. TBM=80. Max temp in FSX=63C. OCCT running now and max seen was 60C.

Later.

Jack
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 9:47am

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Test Results.

JOBSCHEDULER test in FSX

1. System:       i7 920 OC to 3.8 Gh
     3Gb Mushkin tri-channel DDR3 7-8-7-20@1603
               BCLCK 200
               Multi 19
     Vcore 1.34v
               QPI/DRAM 1.34v
     DRAM 1.64v
               TWO cores
               HT on
               AffinityMask=255      
               All else AUTO
               All other BIOS settings as suggested by Nick
     MB ASUS P6T Delux version 2
     BIOS: not sure but when the she boots I now  see 'NVRAM   Check'. Boot seems faster.
               EVGA 260 OC 15%
           

2. Add-ons: GTXn, UTX USA, REX, TrafficX (not used in test), FSGensis, various airports, aircraft

3. FSX settings:         1920x1200@32 on a 24" Gateway
                     Frames: locked@28
                              All other settings per Nick's advice except Autogen @ 75%. traffic: airline=30, GA=25 (I like this one and ran the test with my perferred settings)

4. Nhancer: as suggested BUT anti-alasing @ 8xSQ

5. Cfg file mods: TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=80
               UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=28
               WideViewAspect=True
               RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=.1
               RUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=0.2
               RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=0.2
                RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=0.2
                [Main]
                DisablePreload=1
                [Bufferpool]
                PoolSize=70000000
                [JOBSCHEDULER]
                AffinityMask=255

6. Test aircraft:      Baron, F18,C172, RealAir SF260

7. Test conditions:      Clear, Building Storms, Fogged in, CBs
   Test area:      Around Richmond, VA and near Whitbey NAS (lots of trees)
                   New York@ night

8. Results: All flights smooth with no tree shimmer(due to the 8xSQ), smooth turns ( was not possible with 8xSQ before)      

9. Temps: Using Real Temp 2.90 max during flight: 63C
     OCCT ver 3.0.0.b16 passed with lower temps than when in FSX

10. Conclusion: On my test system, this was a surprise. I will continue to use TWO cores for a while.
FYI, I could not get 4.0Gh stable and am perfectly satisfied with 3.8 considering what I see on screen
               
If this fails, I will post immediately!

Jack S
               
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 11:21am

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TWO cores <----  what is this.. I am not seeing this in my BIOS
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 12:21pm

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Sorry for the delay, I was still testing.

Advanced
Intel(R) HT Technology
Active Processor Cores[All]  - default

I have the choice of 1,2,4,all.

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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 12:58pm

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wsciutti wrote on Jan 27th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
Sorry for the delay, I was still testing.

Advanced
Intel(R) HT Technology
Active Processor Cores[All]  - default

I have the choice of 1,2,4,all.

Jack



That should be set to ALL and let the JOBSCHEDULER define the use to FSX
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:43pm

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OK, thanks. I was slightly mistaken; the P6T manual: "Allows you to choose the number of CPU cores to activate in each processor package.
Configuration options:[All],[1],[2]"

Doesn't explain exactly what this means so I elected to gice it a try.

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Reply #7 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:44pm

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Opps, give it a try.

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Reply #8 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 2:20pm

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All,

Based on what Nick pointed out, my test is flawed! (I cut out 1/2 of my processing power, DUH). I went back to where I was supposed to be (All) and reran the test.

My experience I believe is smoother with Affinity mask=255, any other setting on my system resulted in frames jumping all around when locked at 28. The 255 setting was definitely the best for what I have.

Live and learn I guess. Embarrassed  Thanks Nick for the correction.

Sooner or later, I will get this fun stuff.

My temps maxed at 72C while in FSX with HT on so I was getting close even at 3.8Gh.

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Reply #9 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 2:34pm

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OK, that makes sense

So what you are saying is using the affinity mask for all 8 cores you see better results than running with HT DISABLED in the BIOS (all cores in use) and no tweak in the config?

I assume this is just a smoother flight and not one that produces higher frames.. 

At the same time, have you tried maxing the Scenery Complexity and the Autogen slider to see what happens in both cases, HT ON and OFF?


 
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Reply #10 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 2:58pm

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Yes and No. Smoother flight with HT but I failed to try maxed with HT off but believe I remember that I had a micro-stutter flight with auto maxed and HT off.

Also found that the aircraft does, as you have said, make a difference.

When I changed from the 260 to the 172 over NYC at night, the ride was more fluid.

I'm hopeful someone else will come aboard with test results so you have vaild data points, especially with a 940 or 965.

Jack

PS why would ASUS offer a choice of cores?
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 3:25pm

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There can be several reasons for that which are tied back to the new i7 internal system called 'uncore'
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 5:39am

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When I get my mobo back I will be onboard this test and let you know. I'm running a 240 and will be running 3.5-4 ghz
 

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Reply #13 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 1:43pm

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Nick,

Final Conclusion: after much thought, to give you as valid a data point as possible, I removed FSX, degragged, reinstalled FSX+Accel, used UTXUS, GEXn,some textures from REX, FSG.

On my system I cannot get unlimited without choppy flight, so I used locked 30 or 22 with the bufferpool entry, auto at 3/4, scenery@100.

My smoothest flight is with HT off and four cores@ 3.8.

I did use your test flt at SEA once + flights around DC and RIC with various weather settings.

Hope this helped.

Jack
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 28th, 2009 at 1:45pm

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Thanks Jack!

Absolutely it helps.. !
 
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