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Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:39am

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The usual post story Non-Story  Roll EyesBottom of the barrel news

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Reply #1 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 9:12am

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Good god! Ground them all!


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Reply #2 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:46pm
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And of course, had the engine not shown any problems a few days earlier then it would have ploughed through the enormous flock of geese with out incident.

It's like saying I had a hole in my car exhaust pipe repaired 3 days before I got hit by somebody jumping a red light..

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Reply #3 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:48pm

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Unfortunatly though this will be the opening someone will need to try and file a lawsuit.
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 5:03pm

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One passenger, Steve Jeffrey, from Charlotte, said the noise "sounded like the wing was just snapping off".


I'm sure if the wing snapped off, they would sure know about it. Perhaps not as loud as this T7, but still...

 
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Reply #5 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:56pm

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Non story to me anyways.  Everytime an Airbus takes to the sky the airlines are gambling
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 2:35am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:56pm:
 Everytime an Airbus takes to the sky the airlines are gambling


???

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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 5:47am

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expat wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 2:35am:
The Ruptured Duck wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:56pm:
 Everytime an Airbus takes to the sky the airlines are gambling


???

Matt


Ditto what Matt said!?! Huh
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 11:13am

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When pilots are trained to fly an airbus they are told they don't need to know how the aircraft systems work, just how to operate them.  However they stress the fact that the pilots are still pilots, despite the "work tables" they've installed in the cockpit.  Promotes complacentcy
 

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Reply #9 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 2:13pm

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 11:13am:
When pilots are trained to fly an airbus they are told they don't need to know how the aircraft systems work, just how to operate them.  However they stress the fact that the pilots are still pilots, despite the "work tables" they've installed in the cockpit.  Promotes complacentcy


What work tables, I spanner on A320's and don't know what you are talking about.

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Reply #10 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 2:40pm

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Video did show the right engine was stalling on take-off, but only after the same video showed a goose getting sucked into the same engine, which I would imagine may clog your intake of air just a tad. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #11 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 3:08pm

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Anytime there is an accident, the media and lawyers dig into that aircraft, pilot, and airline's past to find any dirt they can.   Shocked Oh no, that plane had a bad paint job 35 years ago, that definitely caused it to run out of fuel today.  Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 3:44pm

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Mushroom_Farmer wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 2:40pm:
Video did show the right engine was stalling on take-off, but only after the same video showed a goose getting sucked into the same engine, which I would imagine may clog your intake of air just a tad. Roll Eyes



Got a link for this?

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Reply #13 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 9:39pm

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Mushroom_Farmer wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 2:40pm:
Video did show the right engine was stalling on take-off, but only after the same video showed a goose getting sucked into the same engine, which I would imagine may clog your intake of air just a tad. Roll Eyes

Yeah, I'd like to see that too... linky plz? Grin

I think the biggest problem with jets and turbofans eating birds is that even a modest-sized bird can mess up the compressor stage enough that the engine then starts eating pieces of itself... not good... but sure, stuff enough geese in there and it may just get clogged.
 

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Reply #14 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 10:31pm

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Craig. wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:48pm:
Unfortunatly though this will be the opening someone will need to try and file a lawsuit.


This is America, you don't need a logical reason to sue.  Expect a lawsuit from PETA any day now suing Airbus, US Airways, and the pilot for killing those geese.  Hell, maybe they'll sue the passengers as well.
 
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Reply #15 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 6:40am

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Apparently a feather has been found on the jet. No seriously, a BBC story says so...

Feather found on Hudson crash jet
 
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Reply #16 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 7:09am

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Well if nothing else once they are finished with it. They should give it to the pilot. He can hang it on his office wall as a trophy. "I went hunting and all I got was this lousy feather and a wet pair of trousers" could be inscribed underneath.  Lips Sealed Grin
 
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Reply #17 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 9:07am

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Craig. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 7:09am:
Well if nothing else once they are finished with it. They should give it to the pilot. He can hang it on his office wall as a trophy. "I went hunting and all I got was this lousy feather and a wet pair of trousers" could be inscribed underneath.  Lips Sealed Grin


I love it!
 
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Reply #18 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 11:33am

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Craig. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 7:09am:
Well if nothing else once they are finished with it. They should give it to the pilot. He can hang it on his office wall as a trophy. "I went hunting and all I got was this lousy feather and a wet pair of trousers" could be inscribed underneath.  Lips Sealed Grin



Nice one Craig, but knowing the BBC accuracy at reporting it will probably turn out to be a bit of seaweed  Grin

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Reply #19 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 1:04pm

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expat wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 11:33am:
Craig. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 7:09am:
Well if nothing else once they are finished with it. They should give it to the pilot. He can hang it on his office wall as a trophy. "I went hunting and all I got was this lousy feather and a wet pair of trousers" could be inscribed underneath.  Lips Sealed Grin



Nice one Craig, but knowing the BBC accuracy at reporting it will probably turn out to be a bit of seaweed  Grin

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Ooooh, that'd get the press going.

[Mr Cheeseman (the Welsh journo from Dad's Army)] "Plane hits seaweed at 3000ft"[/Mr Cheeseman]
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 2:13am

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C wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 1:04pm:
expat wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 11:33am:
Craig. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 7:09am:
Well if nothing else once they are finished with it. They should give it to the pilot. He can hang it on his office wall as a trophy. "I went hunting and all I got was this lousy feather and a wet pair of trousers" could be inscribed underneath.  Lips Sealed Grin



Nice one Craig, but knowing the BBC accuracy at reporting it will probably turn out to be a bit of seaweed  Grin

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Ooooh, that'd get the press going.

[Mr Cheeseman (the Welsh journo from Dad's Army)] "Plane hits seaweed at 3000ft"[/Mr Cheeseman]


I  for one welcome our new seaweed overlords!
 
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Reply #21 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 4:50pm

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My friend just email this recap of events composed using several news sources...

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Gleaned from the interviews and press conferences.....


The huge total flight experience among the crew contributed to the successful outcome :

First Officer Jeffrey B. Skiles, joined US Airways (USAir) in 1986. He has a total of 15,643 flight hours and previously flew as Captain with US Airways.

Flight Attendant Sheila Dail joined US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1980 and has more than 28 years experience with the airline.

Flight Attendant Doreen Welsh joined US Airways (Allegheny Airlines) in 1970 and has more than 38 years experience with the airline.

Flight Attendant Donna Dent joined US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1982 and has more than 26 years experience with the airline.

NTSB PRESS CONFERENCES:

Onboard was one lap child and one toddler.

Since the weight of the airplane full of water was approximately 1 million pounds, it needed to be lifted very gradually to let water drain from the aircraft.

Water depth at impact was 50-55 feet.

A correction to prior information, the right engine is still attached; still looking for the left engine.

ATC communications were read out loud: of particular interest to us was the crew stating, "Cactus 1549 hit birds - lost thrust both engines – turning back to LGA"

TEB airport was discussed, pilots stated, "...we can’t do it..."

Two Flight Attendants were interviewed. They reported hearing loud thuds/thumps and all engine noise ceased, aircraft sounded, "...like a library..."

Captain announced, "brace for impact;" F/A’s yelled, "Brace, Brace, Brace"

Left front slide required manual inflation.

Front exit door, 2’-3’ was above water line.

Although the rear emergency exit door was partially beneath the water. One of the passengers attempted to open it. An alert, experienced flight attendant prevented him from opening the door.

Captain returned to aircraft twice to check for passengers. Captain and each of the crew members were the last to leave the aircraft.

A later press conference :

3rd F/A has been released from hospital. Her account : "loud thunk, electrical smell." Tail section experienced a harder landing than further forward. 3rd F/A had no broken bones, but deep lacerations.

Captain, 3800 hrs in A-320

First Officer, 35 hours in an A-320

First Officer was initial PF

First Officer stated he saw birds 3-5000’ off to his right

Captain looked up & said the windscreen was filled w/big dark brown birds. Said his reaction was to duck

Captain smelled burning birds

Loss of thrust, Captain, “my aircraft”. First Officer, “your aircraft”. Captain lowered nose because speed had decreased

Captain said power loss was symmetrical

Captain took over as PF & called for the Dual Engine failure check list

Captain said initial plan was to return to LGA. He said he was too slow & too low, it was too populated. Teterboro was too far, populated and would be catastrophic if he didn’t make it. As stated in earlier brief, he stated, "going to be in the Hudson ".

Captain focused on flying
First Officer focused on checklist & re-starting the engines

This checklist was designed to run at FL350

Captain called for flaps 2

Captain made the “brace” call over the P/A

Captain said he had been trained to ditch near a vessel if able, so he tried to land close to a boat

The aircraft lost electrical once in the water

Captain called for Evacuation, F/A’s had already initiated it

Captain stated that, " he could not be more happy that he got everyone off ”

Questioning session :

First Officer saw the birds, noted to himself that they were flying in a line

Emergency Ditching P/B was not activated to shut down various systems. Because its activation was down the checklist on page 3 ; before striking the water they didn't have time to get to page 3.

First Officer, while low time in AB, but typed in other aircraft, glass cockpit, had been a Captain before, IOE was completed.

Captain estimated the aircraft struck the birds between 220 & 250kts

How did F/A get lacerations? Doesn't know. Initialy, she didn’t realize she was hurt. After she sending the passengers up the aisle, she felt the pain and noticed that she was bleeding.
 
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Reply #22 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 5:08pm

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Just about as experienced a crew as one could wish for.
 
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Reply #23 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 2:12am

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Interesting that it floated so well for so long when the Ditching push button was not pushed. Another big "YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!" from the Air Bus design department no doubt. I guess that a check list written for duel engine failure at 35000 feet needs a little bit of editing.

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Reply #24 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 5:53pm

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expat wrote on Jan 24th, 2009 at 2:12am:
Interesting that it floated so well for so long when the Ditching push button was not pushed. Another big "YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!" from the Air Bus design department no doubt. I guess that a check list written for duel engine failure at 35000 feet needs a little bit of editing.

Matt


It should indeed be shortened for lower altitudes.

Interesting read and job well done for the crew!
 
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