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Poor FPS in FS9 & FSX. Any reason why? (Read 3959 times)
Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:28pm

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Hi, I have recently put a pc together for flying my sim, was using a laptop before but without any dedicated graphics memory so it struggled a bit! Anyway, built this machine, the specs are:
2.75mhz dual core intel
3gig of ram
Nvidia Geforce 8800 gtx 768mb
22"hanns g  tft

Now I'd have thought that this would have run fs9 superbly on high settings and fsx on medium high but fsx isnt even playable and fs9 seems to average 8-20fps running 1680X1050X32 with, admittedly everything turned up high, and some scenery add ons (vfr scenery, uk200 airports) and active sky v6. But it suns poo, especially in cloud or near traffic. It can run quite well with weather set to clear skies but thats missing the point, I would have thought that this machine would handle it seeing as lesser setups manage ok.

I have done some searching, I asked on another forum and was directed here. I have done the tweaks in the fs9.cfg file and have installed nhancer. These helped but not much.

Its worth noting that when I installed fs9 I was running a 7300gs 256mb and I upgraded to the gtx, could this be an issue? fs9 seems to recognise the new card ok

Any advice would be handy, this question probably gets asked all the time!

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Reply #1 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:55pm

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That's odd, I can't see why you would get Bad Fps Undecided
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:59pm

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Welcome to Simviation!  Smiley

According to the specs and info, you should at least be able to get decent performance on the FS9, I'm going to say try turning your resolution down some and see if that helps. I don't even think that had resolution of that kind when they made FS9. Cheesy
Try 1024x768x32.

Most VFR (of the photo variety) will put a reasonable hit on performance, as will weather, default traffic is another killer (try WOAI if you haven't already, easier on the frames)

For nice weather while flying, without killing performance, and having a realistic flying enviroment:

go to-- user defined weather-customize weather-advanced settings-visibility: set the tops to 99,999 and the visibility slider to no more than 30nm. Then place clouds as desired. The less distant objects the system has to draw, the better off it will be. Try it, you'll like it. Wink

Hope some of this helps. If not, the real experts will be along soon. Grin Wink
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 8:15pm

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are you using the latest graphics drivers for your video card?

they can be found here:
guru3d.com

in the downloads section




have you gone to windows update and downloaded all the critical updates? (which OS are you using anyways?)

when you do all that, go through this setup guide written by Nick Needham. make sure you follow each and every instruction down to the punctuation mark!

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1208959973




that should improve performance on the system by a lot... try it and see what happens then get back to us if you're still having trouble
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:41am

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Hi, I'm using the most up to date drivers for my graphics card.

I'll give the NickN bits a try, have read a lot of his posts so trust his knowledge!

I'm running XP pro SP2

Default traffic is off, I have the adobe traffic pack installed. Not keen on turning the resolution down to be honest as it looks so sweet as it is! Will be worth a try though but the blockyness will put me off!

Will have a mess tonight and see how I get on!

Thanks
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Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 3:22pm

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I can't help you much with FS9, as most of the little knowledge I have (learned from Nick) is on FSX

go ahead and post screenshots of your FSX settings so we can take a look at that. honestly, throwing that resolution down won't do too much. remember, it's not about frames, it's about smoothness

 
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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:38pm

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SubZer0 wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 3:22pm:
honestly, throwing that resolution down won't do too much.


At least on my setup, when I had the resolution cranked up, I had a nice stutter-show,
and when I lowered it to the screenshot size here, it really got nice and smooth, so it has to do something. Huh

It would seem to me that the higher the resolution, the more detail and information the system has to process and draw on the screen.
And if the sims are not very GPU dependent, then that must mean that the CPU is taking part of that hit as well.

I know that frames aren't important, but I can keep a steady smooth 30fps on my system with all sliders to the right, and the OP's system easily tops mine.

So for me to have better frame rates and smoothness than he does, doesn't make sense.

And I have never done Nicks XP tweaks. Imagine what I could get if I did. Wink (Holding off for the fresh install that I know is coming soon Undecided Wink )



Or I could be spouting utter madness! Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:41pm

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thainoodle wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:28pm:
2.75mhz dual core intel


That's abit slow Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #8 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:47pm

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Mazza wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:41pm:
thainoodle wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:28pm:
2.75mhz dual core intel


That's abit slow Roll Eyes


GHZ soz  Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 5:14pm

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thainoodle wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:47pm:
Mazza wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:41pm:
thainoodle wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:28pm:
2.75mhz dual core intel


That's abit slow Roll Eyes


GHZ soz  Grin


Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
 

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Reply #10 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 5:59pm

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Have thrown the res down a bit but its not really made any difference to the fps just makes it all a bit fuzzy Sad going to have to try nick's tweaks!

Thanks
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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 6:25am

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Just a quick thought, has anyone got the nHancer settings for fs9? I could only find NickN's settings for FSX.

Thanks
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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 5:46am

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Well I have finished doing nick's tweaks and although my pc starts a hell of a lot quicker and my fps has gone up I'm still getting stutters in the game and its still quite slow to load objects. Any ideas anyone? I'm wondering if it could be my drive thats the problem, or the old drive I have attached purely for storage?

Thanks
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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 11:38am

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tune FSX and be aware your processor speed is not what I would call high end

Use this list to set up FSX and the config


http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 1:28pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 17th, 2009 at 11:38am:
tune FSX and be aware your processor speed is not what I would call high end

Use this list to set up FSX and the config


http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041


Thanks nick, its fs9 I'm trying to concentrate on at the moment as I have the most 'equipment' for Smiley
 
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Reply #15 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 3:38pm

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thainoodle wrote on Jan 17th, 2009 at 1:28pm:
NickN wrote on Jan 17th, 2009 at 11:38am:
tune FSX and be aware your processor speed is not what I would call high end

Use this list to set up FSX and the config


http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041


Thanks nick, its fs9 I'm trying to concentrate on at the moment as I have the most 'equipment' for Smiley



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Is that title still around?   Smiley



OK...  heres FS9s tuning


FS9 CONFIGURATION FILE REBUILD


Save a copy of your current FS9.cfg file in a safe place. Then DELETE the FS9.cfg file being used by the sim.

Start Flight Simulator. You will be starting clean with a new FS9.cfg file Let the sim boot and go to the SETTINGS area. Make the following changes:

DISPLAY BUTTON:  
Scenery Tab:  
All sliders to 100% and ALL check boxes checked (water FX on 100%)

Aircraft Tab:
Drop down box, select HIGH, which should enable everything

Weather Tab:
set in order of the sliders 60 -40 – 100 with Detailed Clouds and 100% maximum density

Hardware Tab:
Frame Lock @ 30
XXXXxXXXXx32, NOTE: SET THIS TO YOUR MONITORS NATIVE RESOLUTION - X32
Check in: Render to Texture, Transform and Lighting, UNCHECK AA,
Trillinear Filtering,
Mip Quality 4 FOR ATI, 8 FOR NVIDIA: NOTE: may need to be 4 to kill shimmers
Hardware Lights 8,
Global Texture Slider 100%

CLICK OK

SOUND BUTTON:
Sound to HIGH,  

TRAFFIC BUTTON:
Traffic to 90%, click OK (keep at between 80 and 90)


REALISM BUTTON
Drop down Box; set to HARD, UNCHECK allow collisions with other aircraft. AUTO RUDDER should be enabled if you fly keyboard and do not use pedals. Click OK


WEATHER BUTTON:
Check only Download Winds Aloft with real world weather, click OK


Close the sim

Once you close the sim a new FS9.cfg file will be written with the settings you just made. Open the new FS9.cfg file in notepad.

Scroll down and VERIFY - ADD - EDIT - CHANGE the following items in the list:


[CONTROLS]
PAN_RATE=700 <--- will always be 700

[DISPLAY]
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=1.2
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=1.0
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=1.0
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=1.5
UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=30 // note.. if the processor is a bit slower, this may need to be 24
TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=240 < --- make this 240 or 400 (400 works for better hardware)

[TERRAIN]
TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=100.000000
TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=10.000000
TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=100.000000
TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=21
TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8
TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=5
TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1
TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1
TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=9.9 // Also try 9.5
TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=9.0 // Also try 4.5 (with 9.5 above)
TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=4 < --- If you use FSGenesis mesh, make it 4. If not experiment with 1. This setting is either 1 or 4, nothing else

[SCENERY]
IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=5
DYNAMIC_SCENERY=1
DYN_SCN_DENSITY=5
DAWN_DUSK_SMOOTHING=1
SUNGLARE=1
LENSFLARE=1


Close and save the FS9.cfg file.


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FSUIPC SETTINGS:


Here are the FSUIPC settings... you will need to boot the sim and open the registered version of FSUIPC to set it up... once complete you must close and reopen the sim:

Boot a flight, any flight. Hit the ALT key, Select MODULES - FSUIPC

Make the following changes for awesome weather and reduced hit on performance

Winds Tab – Smoothing settings:
Check in “Smooth wind changes” in the three boxes under that heading, input the following:
5
0
0

Uncheck everything else under the Winds Tab

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Visibility Tab

General Limits and Extensions:
Check in “apply vis limits” add the following numbers in the boxes in this sequence:

6000 4000  2000  1000

Uncheck everything below that and make sure “stop visibility going below” is @ 0

Smoothing Options:

Smooth Visibility  
10% every 2 sec  
But after weather is cleared, delay smoothing = 0
Smooth onfiltered= UNCHECKED

CHECK “Set Graduated Visibility”

Enter the numbers in the boxes in this sequence:
6000
25000
9000

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CLOUDS TAB

CHECK IN:  Add light cirrus layer

EVERYTHING ELSE unchecked and don’t worry about any numbers


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TECHNICAL TAB:

CHECKS IN THESE BOXES ONLY:
Enable V/S Sign  
Control Spike Elimination (all three)
Fix Control Acceleration


Additional Facilities area:
Check the first 5 boxes in that list. Extend Battery should be set to 0

CHECK IN: Smooth Pressure Changes
Enter the following in this order:
5
40
Flight (drop down box)

Click OK, close the sim

From this point on FSUIPC will integrate into your weather system and will not allow FS9 to pile on layers of clouds which you cant see anyway. This will show up in the sim when you boot a flight and go to set the weather.... you should notice the setting will usually be "user defined weather" no matter what it was set to in the prior flight. FSUIPC has control of the cloud layers and will optimize what ever weather scenario you choose




FLIGHT ENVIRONMENT (for better cloud performance.. major hit in FS9)

When it comes to Flight Environment, IF all you want is the clouds and the extended contrails without the other extras, after you install the program browse to:

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Flight One Software\Flight Environment\Data

Inside the data folder RENAME the following folders:

SKY – SUN – WATER

to

XXSKY – XXSUN – XXWATER

That will prevent the program from installing anything but clouds.

Run Flight Environment, select the following Cloud Set:

Solid Cumulus = More Majestic
Stratus = Strong Opposition
Wispy Edges = Scene One
Cirrus = First Choice

On the main screen place a check in the following:

Create Lower Resolution Clouds
Create DXT3 Clouds
Extended Contrails

Save and Install

When you boot a flight in the sim NEVER set weather before you start the flight. ALWAYS boot the entire flight first, THEN once the flight has loaded, click ALT - WORLD – WEATHER and set your weather scheme. You will notice your weather screen will always have a bullet in “user defined weather” That’s normal… its just FSUIPC settings I gave you overriding the crap Microsoft setting… you can select any manual weather pattern or Real World Weather and FSUIPC will override the cloud layer bug without erasing your desired weather.

NOTE: If you don’t like the look of the lower resolution clouds, close the sim and reopen FE then UNCHECK: Create DXT3 Clouds, save and install.

If you still don’t like the lower resolution, UNCHECK: Create Lower Resolution Clouds. However, I can tell you this… that 3D cards HATE high poly clouds so if you can live with both those boxes checked, do it because it WILL increase your performance, especially running real world weather.

One more thing… Always pan around your plane several times after you set weather for your flight or anytime leave and re-enter the sim after making a change or dropping to the desktop. It will load all the surrounding textures into the memory and make flying much smoother!

« Last Edit: Jul 18th, 2009 at 1:11am by NickN »  
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Reply #16 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 3:45pm

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Thanks nick I'll give it a go. I use active sky for my weather, am quite impressed with the clouds and skies Smiley

On another note, and this may well be completely unconnected but since doing your XP tweaks all my games have a slight stutter every 3-4 seconds, a bit annoying its even doing it in toca3 which was running smoothly before. Any ideas?

Cheers!
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Reply #17 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 5:07pm

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That has nothing to do with the tweaks I posted assuming you did them correctly and you dont have programs running at Windows boot causing the problem...  AV's and other scanners can do it as well as too many boot programs

How is this all installed, on one hard drive and one big partition?


Active Sky 6 is just a weather engine (unless you purchased some texture package with it) and can be used with what I posted too
 
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Reply #18 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 6:51pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 17th, 2009 at 5:07pm:
That has nothing to do with the tweaks I posted assuming you did them correctly and you dont have programs running at Windows boot causing the problem...  AV's and other scanners can do it as well as too many boot programs

How is this all installed, on one hard drive and one big partition?


Active Sky 6 is just a weather engine (unless you purchased some texture package with it) and can be used with what I posted too


Ok thats all I needed to know. Must be something my end, I followed your instructions to the '.' but did struggle to defrag my 2nd drive which is an old one. I am thinking this drive may be causing me problems?

Nothing running on start apart from the essentials.

Its all installed on one drive/partition. TBH I'm not even sure what speed the drive is it was just bought to get the system up and running. I have been advised to look at getting a 10k rpm drive to speed things up as my vfr scenery takes an age to load up whilst in flight. Was thinking of installing my os, sim and add ons on that drive then all other numb programs on the slower drive. What do you think?

Thanks!
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Reply #19 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 8:03pm

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Get yourself a VelociRaptor (the come in 150 and 300GB) for your sim

do not partition it

You may be having drive problems and yes, what you could be seeing is storage related stutters

I always run my OS and installed programs (other than performance programs like MSFS) on one drive and the perf games on another



 
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Reply #20 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 2:32pm

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I'll see what I can sort. I'm losing the plot now I seem to have aqquired a bloody spybot thats popping up ads all the time. Dont think I can afford a veloci raptor drive at the moment, will see what else comes up. Thinking of a clean install now, seem to be going backwards rather than forwards  Embarrassed
 
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Reply #21 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 3:49pm

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thainoodle wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 2:32pm:
I'll see what I can sort. I'm losing the plot now I seem to have aqquired a bloody spybot thats popping up ads all the time. Dont think I can afford a veloci raptor drive at the moment, will see what else comes up. Thinking of a clean install now, seem to be going backwards rather than forwards  Embarrassed



Well.. goodness

If you have spyware and have malware running in the background that will cause the stutters you are seeing
 
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Reply #22 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 4:09pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 3:49pm:
thainoodle wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 2:32pm:
I'll see what I can sort. I'm losing the plot now I seem to have aqquired a bloody spybot thats popping up ads all the time. Dont think I can afford a veloci raptor drive at the moment, will see what else comes up. Thinking of a clean install now, seem to be going backwards rather than forwards  Embarrassed



Well.. goodness

If you have spyware and have malware running in the background that will cause the stutters you are seeing


True, the stutters have gone now I have disabled one of my drives but am still suffering with poor fps. Struggling to get rid of this bloody spyware now too  Undecided
 
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Reply #23 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 4:36pm

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Ok.. Help! I'm totally unable to shake this bloody virus/malware, have tried AVG, Avast!, Malware Bytes, Spyware Doctor, Ad-Aware et al. The main problem is I cannot update the programs, as if the malware is blocking the programs from updating. Its really dragging my system down now, bar from a format/re-install what can I do?

Thanks
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Reply #24 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 8:46pm

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There is nothing I can do for malware and bugs.. I think you should backup, bite the bullet and clean install.. this tim buy NOD32 and use Spybots Search and destroy and you should be fine
 
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Reply #25 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 3:54pm

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Ok thanks nick, I'm going to bite the bullet and buy a faster hdd and do a clean install, can you recommend the bext XP to install? I have noticed an sp3 xp doing the rounds, would this be worth bothering with or should I just go for the sp2 32 bit?

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Reply #26 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 1:56pm

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Well I have bought a 150 gig velociraptor, done a clean install, done the mods, am malware free and still running poorly, as low as 8fps on approach using the uk2000 airports bundle.

The stutter has gone though  Grin

I am using with AA on though as the game looks very rough without it and it seems to make bugger all difference to the fps!

I am using the Nhancer too and have set it as per nick's instructions..

Any more ideas? I am very close to giving up with flying the sim  Embarrassed
 
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