Simviation Forum - 2009 is NOT my year

Reply #45 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 12:59pm

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vgbaron wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 12:50pm:

at least I come up with *unusual* problems! Roll Eyes

STOP IT!

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Reply #46 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 1:07pm

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I have run into the 'big' card not sitting in the slot strait a few times... even with my experience in installing this stuff that problem is easy to miss.

What I do now is take a pencil (or fine line sharpie is better.. but if it goes back it needs to be cleaned off with solvent) and with a small square draw a strait line above the contacts making sure it is 100% parallel to the edge of the contact lip then after installing I look at the line in reference to the slot edge.. .if I see any deviation I know its not in strait and it does not take much on some motherboards.

The last card I put in I had to slightly bend the receiver tang that slips into the tower hardware guide after discovering a problem some weeks later. The pressure from the tang not being in 100% alignment with the tower reciever would cause the forward edge of the card to slip out of the slot.. over time

I thought I trashed a card in a overclock and thats when I discovered the move had taken place and realized the tower construction being a touch tweaked from square made the card slip

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Reply #47 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 1:41pm

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I'll check the seating out tonight b4 I swap it. Thinking about the monitor click - altho they are not connected, the HAnns-G monitor has built in speakers. Wonder if that click might be an electrical pop from the speakers.

Altho it sounds exactly like the click from the old CRT's when they changed modes.

Further testing tonight.

1) check card seated in slot correctly
2) disable memory map
3) switch monitors
4) switch vid cards
5) have a drink or three

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Reply #48 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 1:48pm

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#5 is spot on

I would do that regardless of the outcome

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Reply #49 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 2:56pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 1:48pm:

#5 is spot on

I would do that regardless of the outcome

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Reply #50 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 9:17pm

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Well, at least the drinks were useful. Unfortunately, swapping monitors, memory remap disabling and swapping video cards produced the same results. Only thing different with the 8800GTS was no clicking monitors. Ran fine at 3.6 - ugly colors and system hang at 4.06.

I'll try a few of the suggestions you mentioned above and if they do not work, think I'll try kicking up the FSB from 400 to 430 and see what happens.

Problem in my mind about going back to XP32 is that I never ran 3DMark on Xp32 at 4.06 so I don't really know for sure if XP64 is the problem or not.

I would hate to go through all the reinstall crap and be in the same place. Roll Eyes

Going to try and get this rig as high as I can 3DMark stable and leave it there for a while.

Noticed TigerDirect had this:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=43123...

looks like prices are coming down. Wink

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Reply #51 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 10:55pm

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ok - raised Vtt to 1.31 and dropped GTL to -45. FSB at 430. Seems stable in OCCT *AND* 3DMark is 19900.

Question: Memory is at 1721 8-8-8-24-2T. Can I tighten this up or would it not be worth it. 1600 7-7-7-20 worked fine as did 1800 8-8-8-24

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Reply #52 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 11:11pm

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Back up

Are you saying 1800 8-8-8-24 worked 'fine' on those VTT and GTL numbers? what about 3D?

Not quite understanding that

Are you saying that 430FSB @ 1721 8-8-8-24 would not be stable until you raised VTT to 1.31 and set CPU GTL to -45?

And I am not sure what you mean by 'lower' GTL.. the CPU GTL @ 1.28v was -40 (4 settings) and the NB was 60 as I recall

So what was lowered? .. Do you mean raised?

With a -45C CPU GTL you can raise VTT to 1.35v and be in spec

Did you try 1800 @ CPU GTL -45 VTT 1.35?

All you can do is test on tighting timing.. thats a problematic call tested in combat

I would say its possible

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Reply #53 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 11:32pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 11:11pm:

Back up

Are you saying 1800 8-8-8-24 worked 'fine' on those VTT and GTL numbers? what about 3D?

Not quite understanding that

Are you saying that 430FSB @ 1721 8-8-8-24 would not be stable until you raised VTT to 1.31 and set CPU GTL to -45?

And I am not sure what you mean by 'lower' GTL.. the CPU GTL @ 1.28v was -40 (4 settings) and the NB was 60 as I recall

So what was lowered? .. Do you mean raised?

With a -45C CPU GTL you can raise VTT to 1.35v and be in spec

Did you try 1800 @ CPU GTL -45 VTT 1.35?

All you can do is test on tighting timing.. thats a problematic call tested in combat

I would say its possible

OOPs - not what I meant. At the old settings 1800/1600 were fine.

Should have waited on those drinks..

Yes - 1721 8-8-8 was not stable in 3DMark until VTT1.31 GTL -45 NB1.55.

LOL - to me -45 is lower than -40.

No I did not try 1800 at -45 1.35 - I will tho

Currently -

430x9 1721 8-8-8-24 1T PL6 Vtt 1.31 GTL -45 NBGtl 60 Vnb 1.44

1 hour stable OCCT and 3DMark 19900

Everest is almost 11000 read with 48.7 latency

n uther question:

at 1721:

8-8-8-24-1T PL6 or 7-7-7-20-2T pl7 - is one significantly better?

Will try 1800 with higher Vtt and see if 3dM flies.

Edit: no joy at 1800 Vtt 1.35 GTL -45 NBGTL 60

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Reply #54 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:11am

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LOL - to me -45 is lower than -40.

actually to me it is too... that was the Bacardi talking.. yes, I followed your list, and then some

430x9 1721 8-8-8-24 1T PL6 Vtt 1.31 GTL -45 NBGtl 60 Vnb 1.44

1 hour stable OCCT and 3DMark 19900

Everest is almost 11000 read with 48.7 latency

By these bench numbers it appears something strange is showing up.. you seem to be in a CALWI mode the way that latency is dropping and memory speed is coming up

CALWI is CAS Access Latency Window of Interest

OK.. so let work that because that actually sounds like the benchmarks for 1800

1T is stable as well as PL6?..

lock it there

Try reducing to 8-7-7-24 1t PL6

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Reply #55 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:23am

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If that fails.. then set back to 8-8-8 and start nudging FSB up 2FSB at a time

When you find the unstable spot (in example 238) back it down 4Mhz and that should be the high note.. you can try adding in a touch of VTT or NB and see if the instabilty firms up but if it doesnt, just back it down and lock it.. remember it may still show unstable in FSX, you know how that works so if it is, back it down till its stable in FSX too.

The only thing you can do now is to raise FSB

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Reply #56 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:25am

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8-8-8-24-1T PL6 or 7-7-7-20-2T pl7 - is one significantly better?

Whn you combine BOTH 1T and PL6, you are better off on 8-8-8, if you lose PL6 @ 8-8-8 you are better off on 7-7-7 and get lower PL back

1T is always the last item.. give up 1T to keep lower PL

If both not possible then lower CAS

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Reply #57 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:55am

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NickN wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:23am:

If that fails.. then set back to 8-8-8 and start nudging FSB up 2FSB at a time

When you find the unstable spot (in example 238) back it down 4Mhz and that should be the high note.. you can try adding in a touch of VTT or NB and see if the instabilty firms up but if it doesnt, just back it down and lock it.. remember it may still show unstable in FSX, you know how that works so if it is, back it down till its stable in FSX too.

The only thing you can do now is to raise FSB

Geting close -

430 1721 8-8-8-24-1t PL6 Vtt1.35 -45 +60 nb1.55

OCCT stable - 3DMark stable

Flew FSX for about 35 minutes doing lots of aerobatics in LA basin - lots of terrain rolling by etc - just as I was landing - graphics went garbage - coarse and green almost stick figures - hit alt-enter to get into fullscreen and graphics cleared up -landed with no issue or other graphic anomaly.

How high can I go on Vtt? NB can go to 1.6?

If that doesn't clear it up - I'll drop fsb a tad.

Goping to knock off for the night - Glenfiddich & Amaretto on the rocks catching up.

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Reply #58 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:14am

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So the system did not lock.. you just saw strange graphics?

Make sure you are not clocking the video card too high too Vic... It can cause things to go bonkers

Was the card clocked when this happened?

Do you have bufferpools set in the FSX.cfg? If so, that can be the reason for the glitch.. remove the entry completely and try again

If the same problem comes up and the card is not clocked, bufferpools is not in the config then we can say its probably right on the edge of stability.

Let me think about VTT before going further.. Im wiped and I probably should not be making suggestions around that right now anyway. I know what I would do but thats not my system LOL

Dont push it any higher on VTT till I look at this again tomorrow morning

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Reply #59 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:49am

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I bought the BFG GTX280 OC2 which is factory overclocked - I've done nothin to it.

System did not lock up, sound was fine, just graphics turned coarse green and blue.

Bufferpools is set at 70000000 ( 1M card )

Ive called it a night - hope your flu is easing up - I've still got a lingering cough but feel ok.

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