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Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:56pm

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Lately, I started getting the blue screen of death while playing games, or the games would simpy crash, and after the computer re-booted or the game was closed with the task manager, I would get a message telling me that my display drivers stopped working. It wasn't happening too often, but I still couldn't figure it out. This morning, I fired FSX up, and now within moments, I either get the blue screen of death, or FSX goes blank, crashes, and I get the message telling me that the display drivers stopped working.

I used driver sweep to uninstall the video card drivers, and then downloaded the current drivers for my video card. But it seems to be getting worse, and not only can I not play games, but it's constantly crashing now. It's now crashing to the blue screen of death at windows start up.

I havn't made any changes to my system lately, so i'm not sure what is causing this. Any ideas? I'm now desperate
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:20pm

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Andrew, uninstall ALL the video drivers. Clean your registry. Reboot. Install latest drivers Wink
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:41pm

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I can boot up into safe mode, uninstall the drivers, reboot into safe mode, and install the drivers, but It hasn't fixed anything

I can sometimes boot up into windows, but it is still extremily unstable
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:45pm

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try a different driver
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:58pm

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I originally had the 160 series drivers installed, so I installed the 180.48 drivers, and I am still having problems. I'll try the 178.24 driver and see what happens
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:24pm

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Windows seems more stable, but the display drivers are still crashing when I run games, and giving me the 'Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered' message....
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:29pm

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Hmmmmm

I would suspect either the card needs to be reseated in the tower slot or some other kind of hardware/driver conflict glitch.

Any BIOS settings changed lately?

Anything added lately that may have video attached to it such as DVD player software, etc?

I would uninstall the drivers clean.. then shut down unplug and open the tower.. remove and reseat the card.. (clean it while you have it out) then this time install the drivers IN Windows, reboot.. wait about 2 minutes then reboot again and set up the drivers

see what happens


 
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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:59pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 5th, 2009 at 2:29pm:
Any BIOS settings changed lately?


No I havn't touched the BIOS in a very long time, untill a little while ago I tried resetting the BIOS settings to 'optimal settings'

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Anything added lately that may have video attached to it such as DVD player software, etc?


Not lately.

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Reply #8 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 4:16pm

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I would uninstall the drivers clean.. then shut down unplug and open the tower.. remove and reseat the card.. (clean it while you have it out) then this time install the drivers IN Windows, reboot.. wait about 2 minutes then reboot again and set up the drivers

see what happens


No luck. I unistalled the drivers from the control panel and used driver sweep  to uninstall. I then removed the card from the computer, blew all the dust out, and re-installed it. I loaded windows, and it installed some drivers of it's own, and restarted the system. I then re-installed the nvidia drivers, restarted, and it's still not working right
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 4:37pm

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are there any other 3D games this if failing in?

If you have the software 3D Mark 06.. run the benchmark test and see if it fails

If not and no other game shows this issue then I would have to start pointing to FSX.. and new scenery installed lately? DirectX is indeed updated?

If it fails in other games or 3DMark, then either a Windows system file or something in the hardware is out of sorts
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 4:46pm

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It's not just FSX. Any 3d program I run crashes the computer. Even windows is very unstable. Windows flicker, turn different colors, weird stuff happens, and it crashes randomly for no apparent reason
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 4:52pm

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BFMF wrote on Jan 5th, 2009 at 4:46pm:
It's not just FSX. Any 3d program I run crashes the computer. Even windows is very unstable. Windows flicker, turn different colors, weird stuff happens, and it crashes randomly for no apparent reason



OK thats different

We are either into a defective video card (or overclocked too high) or memory, or in rare cases the motherboard and even a PSU can be possible

I would pull all but one stick of memory and retest.. if fails, swap it for another stick, .. if still fails then I would say the memory can be eliminated although you can run MEMTEST in DOS (5 complete passes which takes a few hours)

Past that its going to be tough to lock down without a spare video card to test the system or PSU

 
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Reply #12 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 4:55pm

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Would you recommend me taking my computer to a PC Repair shop and have them troubleshoot it?
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 5:23pm

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BFMF wrote on Jan 5th, 2009 at 4:55pm:
Would you recommend me taking my computer to a PC Repair shop and have them troubleshoot it?



If you have gone as far as you can without the support devices and cards they may have a repair shop and can't do it yourself..    then of course  Smiley
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 8:19pm

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Well, I took it to a shop today, so we'll see what they find. Thanks for your help Nick...
 
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Reply #15 - Jan 15th, 2009 at 8:47pm

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I got my computer back from the shop, and they're sure that the video card is bad. So now, I need to get a new one.

What would I need to get to have the same, or more performance then my old Geforce 8800 Ultra 768MB 16X PCI Express Video Card?

I was looking at some numbers, and the 9800 GTX seems slower. Would I need to get a GeForce GTX 260 or better?
 
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Reply #16 - Jan 15th, 2009 at 8:55pm

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actually.. the 280 would be needed to equal (and slightly better) the 8800GTX Ultra at the very least



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130368
 
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Reply #17 - Jan 15th, 2009 at 8:58pm

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Reply #18 - Jan 15th, 2009 at 9:03pm

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Its the same card.. just the 285 is a die shrink

you must have a 6 and 8 pin PSU connector..  usually the card comes with an adapter but you must make sure the PCIe plugs those adapters plug into are on separate rails to ensure 100% power to the card

Single rail PSU's like what I suggest (PC Power & Cooling) dont need to worry about that

PSU will need to be good to run one of those as they do suck a bit more power than the 8800
 
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Reply #19 - Jan 15th, 2009 at 10:29pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 15th, 2009 at 9:03pm:
Its the same card.. just the 285 is a die shrink

you must have a 6 and 8 pin PSU connector..  usually the card comes with an adapter but you must make sure the PCIe plugs those adapters plug into are on separate rails to ensure 100% power to the card

Single rail PSU's like what I suggest (PC Power & Cooling) dont need to worry about that

PSU will need to be good to run one of those as they do suck a bit more power than the 8800


I have an 850 Watt Power Supply Unit, and there are two 6 pin connectors plugged into the 8800. There is an 8 pin connector, but I can't tell what it's for.

As for seperate rails, i'm not really sure what you mean by that
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 15th, 2009 at 11:51pm

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The 8 pin is either the plug you seek or its designed for the 8 pin Quad processor power on the motherboard

The new video cards have a 6pin and a 8pin PCIe power output. The 8pin plug off the PSU for the quad CPU power input will not work in its place..  

I cant tell what you have there for sure without seeing the unit and its wiring diagram

2 different rails means the 6pin and the 8pin plugs would pull power from 2 different voltage regulators in the PSU to ensure they each get all the power they need. Most PSU's that have a 6 and 8pin plug off the PSU for the video card are designed like that but some older units that do not have the 8pin plug must use an adapter in which the user must make sure they pull power for the adapter from the right lines or they can underpower the card without realizing it.



 
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Reply #21 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 12:25am

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NickN wrote on Jan 15th, 2009 at 11:51pm:
The 8 pin is either the plug you seek or its designed for the 8 pin Quad processor power on the motherboard

The new video cards have a 6pin and a 8pin PCIe power output. The 8pin plug off the PSU for the quad CPU power input will not work in its place..  

I cant tell what you have there for sure without seeing the unit and its wiring diagram

2 different rails means the 6pin and the 8pin plugs would pull power from 2 different voltage regulators in the PSU to ensure they each get all the power they need. Most PSU's that have a 6 and 8pin plug off the PSU for the video card are designed like that but some older units that do not have the 8pin plug must use an adapter in which the user must make sure they pull power for the adapter from the right lines or they can underpower the card without realizing it.



On further investigation, the two 6 pin connectors that are plugged into the video card are really two adapters that are plugged into 8 pin connectors that run from the PSU
 
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Reply #22 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 12:39am

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If you post the PSU make and model number I can try and look it up to see if there is a layout diagram

More than likely the PSU has the plugs you need from the description thus far. PCIe is 6pin however if the PSU is designed for SLi or Crossfire it would most likely have at minimum 2 6pin and 2 8pin PCIe power plugs

 
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Reply #23 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:09am

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I have the Thermaltake ToughPower, 850 Watts PSU. And I believe it also has two additional 6 pin connector outlets
 
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Reply #24 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:20am

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BFMF wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:09am:
I have the Thermaltake ToughPower, 850 Watts PSU. And I believe it also has two additional 6 pin connector outlets



Wait a minute

You said you had a GTX Ultra 8800..   doesnt that take 2 6pin PCIe plugs?

Why would you use an adapter off of a 8pin when the PSU supplies the 2 PCIe 6pin plugs?


 
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Reply #25 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:28am

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OK that PSU 8pin is NOT for the graphics card!

That is the quad CPU motherboard power plug only


Motherboard Connectors    
24-pin Main Connector
8-pin Power Connector <----- this is for the 8pin plug on the motherboard
4-pin Power Connector



you only have 1 8pin connector on that PSU and it is not designed for the video card in any way, shape or form

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1207&ID=1509#Tab0

It has four 6-pin PCI-E connector for Multi-GPU Graphic Cards (which is a doubles jack off each rail)  but only has 2 RED PCIe connections at the PSU, meaning it has 2 PCIe rails. That would mean you would use both 6pin leads, one off each red port but with 1 you need to use an adapter that would use the 2nd 6pin + another lead to make a 8pin conversion





 
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Reply #26 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:36am

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NickN wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:20am:
BFMF wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:09am:
I have the Thermaltake ToughPower, 850 Watts PSU. And I believe it also has two additional 6 pin connector outlets



Wait a minute

You said you had a GTX Ultra 8800..   doesnt that take 2 6pin PCIe plugs?

Why would you use an adapter off of a 8pin when the PSU supplies the 2 PCIe 6pin plugs?


No idea why it was done that way. But I did find the 6 pin connector cables in a box.
 
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Reply #27 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:40am

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BFMF wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:36am:
NickN wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:20am:
BFMF wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:09am:
I have the Thermaltake ToughPower, 850 Watts PSU. And I believe it also has two additional 6 pin connector outlets



Wait a minute

You said you had a GTX Ultra 8800..   doesnt that take 2 6pin PCIe plugs?

Why would you use an adapter off of a 8pin when the PSU supplies the 2 PCIe 6pin plugs?


No idea why it was done that way. But I did find the 6 pin connector cables in a box.



If the converter jack is something I have never seen before and it is some kind of aftermarket cable which takes into account proper pinnout it may work

but to be quite honest that makes absolutely no sense at all

The 2 red ports on the PSU are for the PCIe power to the graphics card and they should be what was attached to the 8800 Ultra, nothing else

 
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Reply #28 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:45am

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I did some searching, and actually found the box for the PSU, which was buried away in storage.

On the box it says, "Supports two 8-pin PCI-E and two 6-pin PCI-E connectors for next generation video cards."
 
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Reply #29 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:50am

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BFMF wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:45am:
I did some searching, and actually found the box for the PSU, which was buried away in storage.

On the box it says, "Supports two 8-pin PCI-E and two 6-pin PCI-E connectors for next generation video cards."



OK then this is a different PSU than what I looked up

I checked the Thermaltake TP  850 .. apparently this is a different version/model of it

OK.. THATS GOOD!

so you are set to go.. just make sure to follow the the right pinnout.. 1 6pin from 1 PCIe main and 1 8pin from the other

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Reply #30 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:53am

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Got it... http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1264&ID=1503


its a different 850

you are all set

the PCIe 8pin is RED, not black..


jeeze that had me on edge.. I was going to say I think I know why the Ultra went bad..

LOL




 
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Reply #31 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:55am

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I was starting to get worried...lol


So out of curiosity, how much a performance increase will that GTX 280 or 285 have over my 8800 Ultra?
 
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Reply #32 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 2:00am

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BFMF wrote on Jan 16th, 2009 at 1:55am:
I was starting to get worried...lol


So out of curiosity, how much a performance increase will that GTX 280 or 285 have over my 8800 Ultra?




hard to say... if you were not clocking the ultra it will be more .. if you clock the 2xx a bit it would be a nice boost

Dont expect miracles though.. its a shame but these newer cards are shader rendering engine designed and FSX is unfortunately a year 2004 old time triangle rendering engine. The newer cards like the 2xx and the ATi are being geared for games like Crysis and other new releases so the horsepower part that FSX needs gets very little change in ability

 
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Reply #33 - Jan 16th, 2009 at 2:03am

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No, I wasn't overclocking the 8800. I don't know how to overclock, and with my luck, I would probably start a fire if I tried on my own...lol
 
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