Simviation Forum - I'm beginning to get REALLY annoyed

Reply #60 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 11:02am

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Yes, I saw that

If you are completely updated and Windows is shutting down fast without hanging.. and the system is simply not powering down, I would have to question either the chipset drives or the motherboard BIOS

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Reply #61 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 11:52am

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I agree but why does it work fine for XP32?

I would think that logon/shutdown code would be the same for either. You send a value to a register and down she goes. The value is a constant so, in my mind, the software isn't coming up with the right value for some reason.

Since I installed XP32 again with the 3.6 clock w/o issue do you think the clock made a difference w/64?

I'll check if the problems with the 1003 BIOS were resolved and flash to that and see what happens.

Hate to go thru the format/reinstall again but this is the best time to do it.

edit: D/l the 1003 BIOS - going to flash that. If that doesn't work, drop the clock and reinstall XP64 at stock and see what happens.
No point in screwing around.

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Reply #62 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 1:37pm

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Well, for now, I've run out of ideas. Reset clock to stock, flashed BIOS to 1003, formatted & reinstalled XP64 - tried shutdown b4 installing chipset drivers - same problem.

Installed chipset drivers - same issue.

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Reply #63 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 1:47pm

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Vic

http://www.xp-smoker.com/installations/superfast.zip

unzip and install... click on the desktop icon for superfast shutdown

WARNING
Only use this tool for a test to see if your tower will shut down all the way.. do NOT use it to shut down a system normally

If the tower shuts down I suspect something in Windows is borked be it a driver, device conflict or other that has to do with ACPI

If it does not shut down I suspect the board/BIOS and x64

But in either case I can not be sure.. see what happens with that tool and I may see if there are a few other reg hacks to test

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Reply #64 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 2:13pm

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Ran it and desktop remained as it was but hdd shut down.

it's like it goes into sleep mode but won't wake up. Help power button in until shutdown. Restart - click start/ control panel - wait 32seconds before it showed - after that - fast as hell.

edit: LOL! Figures - just on a hunch, I selected Standby mode instead of shutdown - yup - it shut down completely.

I may have to rma the board AGAIN - I'm getting pretty good an whipping these things in and out of the case.

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Reply #65 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 4:10pm

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Start disabling devices in the device manager... expand, right click .. DISABLE

sound, network, printer, controllers you are not using which may appear like RAID

Reboot and shut down

If its still there.. leave the devices disabled then go into the BIOS and DISABLE devices such as wireless LAN, hard LAN, sound devices, RAID cotrollers.. everything not needed to boot

Make sure nothing in the BIOS is set to WAKE ON LAN, WAKE ON KEYBOARD, WAKE ON MOUSE, etc

Reboot and shut down

If its still there uninstall the video driver completely and the driver for any other device in the system

reboot and shut down

I will see if I can locate the reg entries for fast shutdown and see if those may clear it

If its still there I am out of ideas.. other than push/hold the power button after Windows shuts down

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Reply #66 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 4:38pm

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ok, Nick - will do.

Interesting - wnet into safe mode - same problem.

Spoke to Asus - they won't RMA the board becuz they say it's an OS issue - probably right.

Will run thru the devices and go from there.

I'll let you know.

thanx

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Reply #67 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 5:05pm

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I agree it sounds like OS becuase the Windows interface for fast shutdown worked which indicates to me the OS is not delivering the final powerdown command when it is being shut down

Usually that can happen from a device driver hanging and not allowing power management in ACPI to work correctly

http://www.xp-antispy.org/index.php/lang-en/download?func=sellang&iso=en

Download XP AntiSpy and install

Under the PROFILE set to WINDOWS UPDATE then scroll down the list to "MISC SETTINGS"

Find ENABLE FAST SHUTDOWN, check it and click APPLY SETTING.

Reboot first, then try a full shutdown

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Reply #68 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 5:30pm

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I'll dl the software and try BUT I've identified the problem but dont what to do. If I disable the secondary IDE channels - system shuts down BUT I don't have all of my HDD's

ran xp spy - no change

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Reply #69 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 6:27pm

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Considering that the mobo and OS are probably OK individually and no way to RMA the board with Asus, I only see a few options.

Find a workaround for the secondary IDE issue

Buy another mobo with no guarantee that I won't have the same issue

Reinstall XP32 and leave XP64 for later when the I7's are much cheaper.

I dropped back one revision on Intel chipset drivers with no effect. Couldn't find and other drivers that relate.

I'll say one thing - I sure come up with interesting problems!

BTW, it's a good thing there were no flies on the wall around *here* in the last few days - might have learned some new, colorful words!

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Reply #70 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 7:02pm

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OK so we have an IDE driver system not playing nice

I thought this may be ACPI hardware related

What is connected to the secondary IDE channel specifically, and is that device IDE or SATA in nature?

A SATA drive can be driven from an ADVANCE SATA interface or a ENHANCED IDE interface from the board.. let me check on the drivers for this board and see if you missed something

When you installed this system in the BIOS under the SATA Controls did you select the AHCI or ENHANCED IDE option?

and

did you install this driver for your SATA ports

Version 1.2.0.57

Description Marvell 88SE6111 SATA Controller Driver V1.2.0.57 for Windows XP/Vista & 64bit XP/Vista.

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Reply #71 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 7:41pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 9^th, 2009 at 7:02pm:

OK so we have an IDE driver system not playing nice

I thought this may be ACPI hardware related

What is connected to the secondary IDE channel specifically, and is that device IDE or SATA in nature?

All SATA drives including DVD writer

C:\ 74G system <--primary
D:\74G storage <--primary
E:\320G program
F:\150G FSX
G:\ 500G backup
DVD
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A SATA drive can be driven from an ADVANCE SATA interface or a ENHANCED IDE interface from the board.. let me check on the drivers for this board and see if you missed something

When you installed this system in the BIOS under the SATA Controls did you select the AHCI or ENHANCED IDE option?

Enhanced IDE and just tried AHCI - AHCI *seems* to work but having issues with IE. Did a repair install - will try it with full install
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and

did you install this driver for your SATA ports

Version 1.2.0.57

Description Marvell 88SE6111 SATA Controller Driver V1.2.0.57 for Windows XP/Vista & 64bit XP/Vista.

As I understand it, the Marvell is alegacy SATA driver that controls two SATA ports on the mobo that I did not use. Disabled in BIOS - when enabled in BIOS w/o drive connected, slows boot and gets message about no drives connected. SO no I did not install manually.

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Reply #72 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 8:13pm

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OK...

In order for AHCI to install correctly you MUST install Windows CLEAN with AHCI enabled in the BIOS

Once Windows is installed on it you can THEN shut it down and switch to ENHANCED IDE

I run ENHANCED however I DO install install Windows with AHCI enabled first

So perhaps that is the key here. Having the advanced BIOS register to Windows may make the difference

Now, as I recall there are 2 different versions ove the marvel SATA ports. Ones for SATA and ones for RAID which include the Intel Matrix AHCI driver

I need to look up that manual and see exactly what the layout is here to be sure that not installing that is OK on all ports.. I can not remember and I can not look at it tonight

If I were you, I think I would enable the devices in the BIOS and go ahead and run the 2 driver installers. You can always shut down things after in the BIOS but just to be sure, install all the device drivers and see what happens

you can kill the Intel Matrix Storage Manager on Windows boot in the registry or MSCONFIG.. wont hurt anything

I cant remember if the Matrix AHCI driver is for RAID only or if it is used for both AHCI and RAID on that board... so lets just be sure here.

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Reply #73 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 8:47pm

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SO far so good - the INtel Matrix driver is for both AHCI and RAID. I enabled it and did a fresh install. CUrrently running AHCI and I can shut down with no problem.

I'll try going back into the BIOS and enabling Enhanced and see if that makes a diff.

I noticed that with AHCI there are no secondary IDE entries listed.

If enhanced fails, can I just run AHCI?

edit: switched to enhanced in bios - BSOD and reboot when windows tried to load. AHCI still working

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Reply #74 - Jan 9^th, 2009 at 9:54pm

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OK.. lets just leave it

Something about those drives does not seem to like IDE EHANCED

Now I know when you switch from AHCI to ENHANCED you must F10 save and exit then reenter the BIOS and usually you must make sure the correct drive is selected for boot.

However If all else fails, just leave it on AHCI

The problem is the ENHANCED IDE driver in use is not addressing ACPI correctly to power down

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