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Dec 5th, 2008 at 7:20pm

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I am going to be purchasing my MB and CPU shortly and wanted to know what you all though about the X4 9950. I never have traffic maxed out I mostly fly online via Squawk  Box. Does anybody have any input to this processor?

Thanks!

 

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Reply #1 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 8:10pm

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Amd will not perform NEARLY as well as Intel well. Nick will be here in moments to correct this Wink
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 8:40pm

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It depends on what you are coming from if it will equate to anything for you but if this FSX you are talking about anything AMD pretty much bites for gaining perf
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 8:45pm

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Well AMD is not the way to go then! can you help me with the differences between the:

Intel Core i7 920 Processor

&

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Processor


I think the i7 might be a good bet because i could upgrade eventually since it supports DDR3. This brings me to my next question, do i really need to get DDR3 memory right away? Is there a big difference as of yet?
 

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Reply #4 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 9:23pm

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your trying to build a FSX tower and use addons along side FSX

I have 2 questions and will check back tommorow..

1. Are you running FSX now with these addons?

2. What are you running for a system right now... CPU, memory, video card, motherboard
 
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Reply #5 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 9:55pm

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Nick:

I currently have an old PIII and i am not running FSX (i have it but for obvious reasons i do not choose to use it haha).

I am building something from scratch, all I will run along with it is Squawk Box over the VATSIM network. Being a real world pilot, I would like the game to run with Med-High settings around 25fps. Again, the water scenery does not matter, traffic does not matter, etc.

Most importantly (which you seem to stress) I would like something that i can adapt to some new technology for the next 1-2 years.

Thanks so much!
 

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Reply #6 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 10:53am

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I think after you fly FSX you may reconsider the "I dont need secenery" thought   Smiley


If you are looking to place yourself in a system that will carry you for 2 years (up to FS11) and allow upgrades in video card and possibly processor and memory again then i7 would be the way to go however, i7 920 unclocked is not the way to go.

The i7 line of processors are easier to overclock than the Q Core2 of the past. If you do not intend to clock then I would at the very least go with the i7 940 and you can still clock that processor should you decide to at some point.

A 940 will clock to 3.4Ghz without any special cooling but will require a larger heatsink to clock higher. All of the i7 processors will reach 4GHz with the 940 getting there easier than the 920.

Memory choice is based on if you intend to ever clock or not. If not, 1333 memory is fine. If so 1600 memory is suggested to cover you in clock calculations. In either case you always want the lowest timing memory possible for best performance.

i7 requires special DDR3 memory which is rated no higher than 1.65v and comes in tri-channel kits (3 sticks)

sticks come in 3x1GB and 3x2GB kits

In order to make use of more than 3GB you need to be on a x64 operating system.. either WindowsXP x64 SP2 which is what I use or Vista x64. You can run a 32bit OS on more than 2GB but it will be limited to accessing a max of 3.2GB or less and only with special OS boot file tweaks for VM.

I guess the next question is, what are you looking to spend.

You will need to build from scratch which means a purchase of a tower, PSU, HDD(s), memory, processor and possibly CDroms if what you have there is old. You will need DVD drives to install FSX.

You cant use HDD's from that old system,.. they are too slow

When considering the cost, remember that what you spend now will determine what you get for the next year or two




 
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Reply #7 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 12:40pm

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The 940 it is. I do not want to clock right away, but it will be a nice option to be able to when the new FSX comes out. Any instructions I can read on this that you could recommend?

If I am not planning on overclocking at first I can use the 1333, however, at which point i plan to OC it would be in my best interest to upgrade ram.

I will be running Vista x64 on the new system.

As far as components, I am purchasing all new ones. I have a custom case that keeps it really cool, but everything else will be new. Any input to the other components would be great.

$2,000 without screen is my range for now.

What is the graphics card I should plan on? If i get an HDMI compatible one would it be overkill to hook it up to my 52''?  Grin

Thanks Nick!
 

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Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:43pm

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Either a 260 or 280GTX.. and if you can afford it, go with the 280 and get the fastest core and memory speed you can... they are sold with different specs for core and memory speed.

640 core speed and

Do keep in mind the higher the resolution the greater the load.. 1920x1200 is a good resolution to work with in a 24" monitor




CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115201

MEMORY: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227365  (covers you for 1333-1600 and any clocking you may wish to do)

MOTHERBOARD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131351

HARD DRIVE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136260

NOTE: You can use 2 hard drives.. one for OS and installed programs and one for FSX and addons

2 x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296

VIDEO CARD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130368

Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009

Other devices such as CD/DVD floppy etc are up to you

I do suggest a GOOD tower that does not restrict airflow. The trick with towers is the fan ports.. are they perf metal like this?  

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-144-151-16.jpg

or are they OPEN fan grills that allow airflow like this:

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-163-075-07.jpg

you want a tower with fan ports like images #2

This is an awesome tower: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163075


They carry the TJ09 and 10 series in silver, black and with plex windows too


Look for the TJ09

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH...

or the TJ10

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH...

Aircraft quality, professionally made.. they are what I use



Extra fans may be needed.. tower usually comes with 2 120mm fans but you can add 2 more. I use Sony Fluid Dynamic bearing fans for ultra quiet operation

lower CFM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185005

Higher CFM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185006


Overclocking heatsink
>3.4GHz clocking use: Thermalright 120 Extreme 1366 edition

Coming to newegg and other shops soon.. you can get one here now though:

http://www.quietpcusa.com/Thermalright-Ultra-120-Extreme-1366-RT-Quiet-CPU-Coole...


How to clock

The first post in this thread may seem a bit heavy but it will get you orientated to the clocking process and it includes the 920, 940 and 965.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205688&highlight=nehalem+10...


however...

This video is a very simplified clocking tutorial video using that information

http://www.linustechtips.com/how-to/ncix-tech-tips-19-intel-core-i7-video-overcl...


You dont have to clock to the max.
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Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 3:52pm

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Nick
both of the links to overclocking showed a 404 error on my system.
 
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Reply #10 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 5:52pm

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oppsss

sorry.. links fixed
 
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Reply #11 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 6:45pm

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Thanks a bunch Nick.

As far as hard drives are concerned, does it help to run FSX on its own HD?
 

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Reply #12 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 7:15pm

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I do

Anything that places the data at the edge of the platter increases performance through basic geometry.

I format the FSX drive to 64K clusters instead of the default 4K using Acronis Disk Director (Windows does not allow 64K) and that cuts way down on fragmentation.. you lose a little space but its worth it to keep it clean.

I use O&O Defrag and run multiple passes of Complete\Name defrag with a reboot between each pass... there is a list in the FSX forum for system optimizing and using the right software for defrag.. sticky at the top of the forum


With the larger Raptor you can install everything to one drive however you can not format the drive to 64K clusters.. no Windows partition can be formatted to anything other than 4K

Do not partition performance disks.. one drive, one partition.. only partition storage disks that hold backups and that type of data
 
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Reply #13 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 8:24pm

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if i were to buy that drive for FSX would it matter if i did not have a top end one with VISTA installed on it?
 

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Reply #14 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 8:56pm

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You could get away with a different drive for the OS but dont use the ones you have now unless they are modern SATAII units.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148309

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320
 
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