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Nov 26^th, 2008 at 4:35pm

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Hi all,

Im trying to remove the default ai in FS9, i know that im supposed to delete/rename a file in the scenery/world/scenery folder called something like Traffic(some numbers).bgl but there isnt one there Huh

Huh

If i open up the TTools programme, it allows me to decompile a .bgl file called traffic030528.bgl (which i think is the default traffic one) as well as my other ai files but that file isnt in the folder.

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Reply #1 - Nov 26^th, 2008 at 4:56pm

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traffic030528.bgl is the default ai traffic file. Maybe it got moved?...it will work from any active scenery folder (although I suspect it is there, or wherever your other ai traffic files are located, or TTools wouldn't find it)

Use the explorer search function to search your entire FS9 folder (and all sub folders) for the file name.

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« Last Edit: Nov 26^th, 2008 at 6:12pm by dave3cu »

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Reply #2 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 6:31am

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TTools still shows it in the list of AI and it says underneath the route folder for them is the scenery/world/scenery folder and all the other AI show in there

ive carried out a search of the full search of the fs9 folder for the file, nothing found, then i even expanded the search to my full computer, took ages and still nothing, even with hidden files and folders included Huh

Huh

am i going crazy Huh

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Reply #3 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 7:37am

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Got me stumped..

redo your search using place holders, just in case you made an error in entering the full file name

search for traffic*.*

This should find all your traffic files.

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Reply #4 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 7:49am

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Yeah it brought up all my traffic files but still not the one im looking for Roll Eyes

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since i can decompile and view the flightplans and aircraft files etc. with TTools is there a way i could edit them so that none of the aircraft fly then recompile it?
i tried just emptying the .cfg files but it wouldn't let me compile them empty

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Reply #5 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 7:58am

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Yeah, thats where ttools says it is, and where all the other traffic files are, but this ones proving elusive Wink

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Reply #6 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 7:59am

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...mmm...mine definitely lives in the Scenery/World/Scenery folder along with a bunch of other .bgl files.....have another careful look there if you haven't already....it's the default folder for this file....commoner Wink

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Reply #7 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:07am

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Theres the gap where it should be, (its set to arange icons by name by the way)

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Reply #8 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:18am

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ahh ok, heres the shot of the other end of the traffic files Wink

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Reply #9 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:20am

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...mmm...curios that Undecided

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I just did a search for "".bgl and got this result.....nothing else I can think of just now...commoner Sad

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Reply #10 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:32am

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TTools cannot read the file unless it's in the correct location. You can leave this on Default or point it to a User Defined Traffic folder.

Could this have something to do with Vista?

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Reply #11 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 8:33am

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You could also open TTools and select the three decompiled default traffic files then look where the recompiled file is to be saved as in my pic...should be there.........commoner Wink

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Reply #12 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 9:04am

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I think it could have somethjing to do with vista..

TTools is set to default and is telling me that the file is in the scenery/world/scenery folder ie default
however i cannot find it there, either by looking myself, or using the search functions

its like its invisible, but ive turned windows to show hidden files and folders, and its still not there

as i mentioned before, since TTools is the only programme that seems to know where it is, can i use that, edit the .cfg files that are decompiled and then recompile it so that there are no active flightplans?

Just to mention, i really appreciate all the help, kind of makes me feel bad i have such a difficult problem! Grin

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Reply #13 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:09am

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have you decompiled the traffic030528.bgl file?......i.e. in TTools do you see the 3 .txt file set as shown in Commoner's last reply?

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Reply #14 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:15am

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yeah i have, they appear in my flight simulator files folder

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Reply #15 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:46am

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yeah i have, they appear in my flight simulator files folder

what 'flight simulator files folder'?....could you give the full path.

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Reply #16 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:50am

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dave3cu wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:46am:

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yeah i have, they appear in my flight simulator files folder

what 'flight simulator files folder'?....could you give the full path.

Be easier to post a screenshot like commoner's. This intrigues me.

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Reply #17 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:56am

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When i installed FS9, it created a file in my documents called Flight Simulator files, its where IFR flight plans/saved flights etc end up

i thought that was normal Huh

Huh

but anyway, thats where i use to download addons and stuff, and also where my TTools programme is and where anything decompiled by it goes

The plot thickens i guess Wink

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The full path of that folder is: C:\Users\Callum\Documents\Flight Simulator Files

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Reply #18 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:05am

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Hagar wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:50am:

dave3cu wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:46am:

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yeah i have, they appear in my flight simulator files folder

what 'flight simulator files folder'?....could you give the full path.

Be easier to post a screenshot like commoner's. This intrigues me.

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Reply #19 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:15am

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callump wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:05am:

Hagar wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:50am:

dave3cu wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 10:46am:

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yeah i have, they appear in my flight simulator files folder

what 'flight simulator files folder'?....could you give the full path.

Be easier to post a screenshot like commoner's. This intrigues me.

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OK. I can't see the full path to your FS Traffic Files but I assume it's
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Scenery\World\scenery

Look in your TTools folder for a file named TTools.ini. This should list details of how your TTools is set up. Open it in Notepad & post the text here.

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Reply #20 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:23am

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yeah, the full file path is as you stated

the contents of the TTools.ini file are:

[General]
UserDefinedSourceFolder=
ActiveSourceFolder=DEFAULT
UserDefinedTrafficFolder=
ActiveTrafficFolder=FS2004
SelectedAirportsFile=Airports030528.txt
SelectedAircraftFile=Aircraft030528.txt
SelectedFlightPlansFile=FlightPlans030528.txt

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Reply #21 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:27am

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Exactly like mine. The only difference I can think of is that I'm on WinXP. Conclusion: It must have something to do with Vista.

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Reply #22 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 11:33am

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ok, i agree with you there

on the plus side, everything works and all i have to do is put up with overcrowded airports and unrealistic airlines Wink

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Thanks for all your help everyone

Ill keep plugging away with it and if i suddenly have a break through ill make sure i let you all know Wink

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Thanks again

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Reply #23 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:03pm

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What would happen if you delete everything from FlightPlans030528.txt & recompile it? You could take a back-up copy of the file first to be on the safe side. Must be worth a try.

PS. I just tried it. It works fine if you leave a couple of flight plan entries in there.

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Reply #24 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:15pm

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Unfortunately that was one of the first things i tried and i just got an error message telling me:

ERROR: Unable to write to output file C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Scenery\World\Scenery\traffic_TEMP

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Reply #25 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:17pm

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Hagar wrote on Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:03pm:

PS. I just tried it. It works fine if you leave a couple of flight plan entries in there.

Didnt see that bit when i posted, ill try it now, with all fingers and toes crossed Wink

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Reply #26 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:17pm

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Try leaving a couple of entries in there. They can be for somewhere you're not likely to fly. One might do it.

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Reply #27 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:29pm

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It worked

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And ive loaded fs9, heathrow and theres not a soar, pacifica or landmark flight in sight

You were right, i just left a couple of flightplans in from places i never go to and it worked fine Grin

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Thank you very much for your time and effort, i really appreciate it

callump, forever indebted to Hagar Wink

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Reply #28 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:33pm

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Whoopeeeeeeeeee! Smiley

I'd still like to know why you cant find that BGL file.

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Reply #29 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 12:36pm

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Curious, does the traffic030528.bgl file show in Explorer now?

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Reply #30 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 1:37pm

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nope, its still not there, strange really Huh

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but you got me there in the end Cool

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Reply #31 - Nov 27^th, 2008 at 2:28pm

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That's very odd. I happened to try this on a new installation of FS9. I now have a backup copy of Traffic030528.bgl named traffic030528.ORIGINAL. I assume that TTools did this automatically when recompiling it.

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Reply #32 - Nov 28^th, 2008 at 2:20am

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...mmm...I have one of those ORIGINAL files....I always thought that when I changed the three text files and recompiled them. TTools backed up the one I had.......unsure about that...just my thoughts........

Actually the reason for this topic: to get rid of the "silly" airlines by deleting them all seems rather a negative thing to do.........for all those AI flying to all destinations in the world to be deleted seems to me rather a shame....

I put "proper" aircraft in their place....you know; like AA, SWISS, BA....etc, etc.......... Cool

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Seemed like a better idea to me ...commoner Wink

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commoner wrote on Nov 28^th, 2008 at 2:20am:

...mmm...I have one of those ORIGINAL files....I always thought that when I changed the three text files and recompiled them. TTools backed up the one I had.......unsure about that...just my thoughts........

My point is that callump has no files with the traffic030528 prefix in the appropriate location. I have two.

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Actually the reason for this topic: to get rid of the "silly" airlines by deleting them all seems rather a negative thing to do.........for all those AI flying to all destinations in the world to be deleted seems to me rather a shame....

I put "proper" aircraft in their place....you know; like AA, SWISS, BA....etc, etc.......... Cool

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That must involve a lot of work. It's fine if you have the time & knowledge. I assume that most people replace the default generic flight plans with realistic ones from the various AI packages from PAI, WOAI etc.

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Reply #34 - Nov 28^th, 2008 at 10:10pm

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Did you do a minimised install of FS2004 ?
The default traffic bgl isn't installed them but will be loaded from disc 4 when you start FS

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Reply #35 - Nov 29^th, 2008 at 2:38am

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lol..well Hagar I have the time (retired) and just simply acquired the knowledge by trial and error I suppose............

I love fiddling around in the filesof FS9: even more than flying at times, I am not ashamed to admit Grin

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...I suspect you do a fair amount of that sort of thing too.....that's maybe why you, like one or two more I could name can often come up with answers to others problems. Undecided

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The three files created by decompiling the traffic blg offer great scope for "customising" the AI traffic.....adding new airports:aircraft and flightplans etc..........the PAI text files can similarly be changed to "improve" the experience........... Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Nov 29^th, 2008 at 4:36am

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f14driver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2008 at 10:10pm:

Did you do a minimised install of FS2004 ?
The default traffic bgl isn't installed them but will be loaded from disc 4 when you start FS

That's something I hadn't thought of. However, it's not possible to modify files on the CD.

commoner wrote on Nov 29^th, 2008 at 2:38am:

lol..well Hagar I have the time (retired) and just simply acquired the knowledge by trial and error I suppose............

I love fiddling around in the filesof FS9: even more than flying at times, I am not ashamed to admit Grin

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...I suspect you do a fair amount of that sort of thing too.....that's maybe why you, like one or two more I could name can often come up with answers to others problems. Undecided

Undecided

I'm also retired & was always more interested in tweaking & fiddling than "flying". That's how I first got involved with this forum. I used to get a lot fun out of playing with TTools & AFCAD but not everyone feels the same way. It would be a massive task for one person to create accurate flight plans (& the AI aircraft to fly them) for major airlines covering the whole world. That's where the specialists like PAI & WOAI come in. The snag being that adding all these new aircraft & flight plans to the existing default generic ones overloads the airports they operate from. If you have the knowledge it's possible to modify these to your own requirements which is what callump is doing.

By far the easiest way to start is to replace the textures of the default aircraft with some for real life airlines. Then modify some of the generic flight plans in the areas you fly from with realistic ones for your local area. This is how I got started with the mysteries of TTools back in the days of FS2002. Being more interested in vintage light aircraft I created an airstrip near me & added realistic traffic to it. I also created my own AI aircraft if none were available. This was a lot of fun but I lost the lot after my HD burned out. I know I should have backed it up but I lost a lot of my enthusiasm after that. Cry

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Reply #37 - Nov 29^th, 2008 at 5:05am

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f14driver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2008 at 10:10pm:

Did you do a minimised install of FS2004 ?
The default traffic bgl isn't installed them but will be loaded from disc 4 when you start FS

No, i caried out a full install.

commoner, your idea about changing the default aircraft to real world textures would have been very usefull had Hagars solution not worked, thanks

Unfortunately i am mostly lost in the world of AFCADs and TTOOLS and for this reason, the likes of PAI, WOAI are sent from god as far as im concerned Wink

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But whats brilliant is that when the likes of me, who want their FS "game" to be tweaked to perfection, but are not completely sure what they're doing, the fantastic members of SimV are all helping each other back on the horse after they've fallen off Wink

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callump,

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Yes, changing the paint jobs is one simple way to get rid if the funny airlines........I found the nicest way was to get some good AI aircraft (got all mine from Aardvark) and substitute those..........keeping the whole default flightplans as it comes is IMO a good idea........deleting those en bloc leaves a rather big black hole to file from other sources Undecided

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