Simviation Forum - MS dumping Vista?

Reply #15 - Nov 30^th, 2008 at 10:41pm

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NickN wrote on Nov 28^th, 2008 at 9:29am:

Windows Vista is a combination of Windows CE Windows ME and Windows NT

codemaned Windows CEMENT

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Reply #16 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 1:01pm

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JBaymore wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 10:41pm:

NickN wrote on Nov 28^th, 2008 at 9:29am:

Windows Vista is a combination of Windows CE Windows ME and Windows NT

codemaned Windows CEMENT

Should be etched on every Jewel Case of Windows Vista?... Roll Eyes

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F....Win XP Pro... Grin

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Reply #17 - Dec 6^th, 2008 at 1:40am

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the brand new Aero interface will let you scroll through blue screens, black screens, red screens, thousands of error messages and countless yes/no permission questions!! all in outstanding 3D!!!!

^^ best thing i've heard in months Grin

these guys are spot on

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Reply #18 - Dec 6^th, 2008 at 10:20am

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NickN wrote on Nov 28^th, 2008 at 9:29am:

play the video
http://www.blimptv.net/mostpopularV1.html

There is a difference between making a point, and listening to 12 years old who complains about Vista before even using it and making a point.

More crashes than Nascar? I got about as many crashes a month on Vista as I did a day on XP.

Video creators = fail. Making stupid points and trying to sound funny Roll Eyes

(Not being anti-fun, but when you complain about things that don't really happen, it takes the mick)

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Reply #19 - Dec 8^th, 2008 at 4:38am

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I said this a year ago because I been witness of many friends issues having VISTA,Because of the laptops and original PCs that came into my shop claiming to install XP for them on their New computers having a brand new Xp o/o box in their hand, and delete VISTA and its copy in their extra partition in their HDD, which most of them was useless, the monopoly of MS using their drivers didn't allow XP drivers only VISTA drivers were accepted in many of these new machines,forcing these customers to live a life with a O/S that stinks. and most of the cases they did have to buy a second and friendly assembled computer (PCs)

when I said so ,I almost got eaten by this forum (or crucified) , and even recently I ask what if I buy VISTA? trying to "get in the future" as someone here suggest me,Thanks God I didn't ..

It surprise me to see Nick's posts saying that this O/S is not good for him (and for me if he say so ,must be right, this O/S has issues)

I wish I could find that post I made and link it here ,all I can recall I said Time will give me the reason

and I was correct..

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Reply #20 - Dec 8^th, 2008 at 12:04pm

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Vista is indeed served. It was released at the complete wrong time, as a bloated package of code that has a decade of history. I have vista, on my new laptop, do i like it? Not really, been trying to get Ubuntu on it, but that doesnt really work either. So im stuck with it for now.

Funny fact:

I tried installing Visual Studio 2008 express, for serval languages. But it didnt. Time and time again it refused to install on a clean Vista installation. It kept spitting errors at me, and no solution found online worked. Heck, they dont even know themselves how to fix this problem. So no XNA for me...

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Reply #21 - Dec 9^th, 2008 at 11:17am

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But how many that has used Vista in the last (6months) actually can say they saw a decrease in performance in the newer games like COD4, Crysis etc....

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Reply #22 - Dec 10^th, 2008 at 8:29am

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machineman9 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2008 at 10:20am:

NickN wrote on Nov 28^th, 2008 at 9:29am:

play the video
http://www.blimptv.net/mostpopularV1.html

There is a difference between making a point, and listening to 12 years old who complains about Vista before even using it and making a point.

More crashes than Nascar? I got about as many crashes a month on Vista as I did a day on XP.

Video creators = fail. Making stupid points and trying to sound funny Roll Eyes

(Not being anti-fun, but when you complain about things that don't really happen, it takes the mick)

FACT: Vista EATS 100% more memory that XP and before service pack 1 it REMOVED 15-25% or your CPU from any running application and 10% of the CPU when the system was IDLE

I can go on and on and on

The video was meant to be fun but the overall idea it states is absolutely true

By the way.. that video was made back when Vista was released and during that time and many months after trying to use your old printer, video card, addon cards and not be forced to buy new hardware... there were more crashes than a NASCAR rally, AND, even with new hardware like the flagship Nvidia products you got to scroll through those crash screes in wonderful 3D

When Vista was first released MS had designed it so if it did not see the 'SUPER SECRET VISTA CHIP" embeded in the hardware it would refuse to allow that hardware to run. Microsoft attepmted to take control of the hardware market

The could not give the OS away to businesses,.!

Microsoft was FORCED to remove their control and also allow people who bought computers with VISTA on them to REMOVE it and replace it with XP

I meet up with the director of Vista server development in Kirkland, WA on Friday nights every so often to chat and have a drink. Hes wanted that OS canned since the day he first saw it and was completely relieved when he learned they were trashing the OS to move on to Windows7.

So before you go off on something like that

you should learn the facts yourself

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Reply #23 - Dec 10^th, 2008 at 9:53am

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Well Nick, you know my current situation ( dumping my FS rig and converting it into a machine at work). That now might explain why since I loaded Vista Business on it, it does not seem as "fast" as it used to when opening things as it was with XP.

So you are saying that the Vista OS uses a lot of memory?

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Reply #24 - Dec 10^th, 2008 at 10:35am

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Vista is a disaster. Maybe by SP10 they will have all the problems fixed. GOOD LORD nearly a GIG of memory being used on idle Shocked

(Usually 800Mbs on startup...)
I want to get XP but I am broke Sad

So does anyone know if I contact HP (where I originally bought the computer) will they be able to send me a copy of XP or another copy of Vista to upgrade to 64bit? 32bit vista sucks bad with games...

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Reply #25 - Dec 10^th, 2008 at 11:01am

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GOOD LORD nearly a GIG of memory being used on idle

Well that explains it as I only have 2 GIG on that machine!

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Reply #26 - Dec 10^th, 2008 at 11:09am

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Fly2e wrote on Dec 10^th, 2008 at 11:01am:

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GOOD LORD nearly a GIG of memory being used on idle

Well that explains it as I only have 2 GIG on that machine!

Dave

I edited my post in the FSX forum to include VISTA. All you can do is follow that list and at the end of the 2nd post in the thread make sure you follow the VISTA list I posted there

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1208959973

You should probably leave automatic updates running for a business system though.

and yes, VISTA requires 2.5-3GB of memory to allow the same as XP

If the VISTA OS is 32bit you must use 3- 4GB and the proceedure I posted in that thread above (4 posts or so down) for setting the VM cache to allow >2GB

With the older motherboard 2x2GB may not be possible... it may only allow 4 1GB sticks which can also reduce performance by increasing timing on the sticks to run 4 instead of 2

3 really does not do you any good becasue by the time the VM space is taken up you only get about 200-400MB of the 3GB in a 32bit OS so 4GB is the only way to go

A 64bit OS is not limited by that and will use it all

Thats all you can do

MS had no choice but to allow owners of VISTA Ultimate and VISTA Business the option to upgrade back to Windows XP a long time ago.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/005512.html

The trade off is they are playing hardball with VISTA HOME and other VISTA version users cuz they are easy to push around

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Reply #27 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 10:40pm

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You know, I have been running 64 bit Vista Home Prem since I rebuilt this rig after returning from over seas.

It crashed a few times, and with a mem test, I determined that it was due to a bad memory stick. An old Mushkin stick that gave up the ghost on me, hence I have been running on 1 GB ram since then, till I get the cash for more ram.

Point is, I have not crashed once since then. Not once. Never.
Its been solid. Is this because its 64 bit?

My work computer, an old Dell running XP, crashes once every other week. Granted, I am using to support some of our very legacy software that crashed on 95 as well. (and 98, and 2000...), so its more tied to the apps than the OS.

Not trying to be a M$ cheerleader. They are just another software company to me, albiet a big one. I guess I just don't get the attitude of piling on.

Computers grow, OS's eat more resources, Apps get more hungry. Its a fact, I guess I can't get upset about it.

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