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Trick or Treat or Be shot........ (Read 1261 times)
Reply #15 -
Nov 2
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, 2008 at 7:01am
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I appreciate that in America you have 'the right to bear arms', but do you not have some sort of basic IQ test that has to be passed before being allowed guns?
TSC.
I think everyone here should know my feelings on firearms by now but this man is an ex-convict. The firearm was an AK-47 assault rifle, not your average handgun. I don't think people with a criminal record are legally allowed to own firearms even in America. The man is obviously a nutter.
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Reply #16 -
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Scumbags like him make the rest of us responsible gun owners look bad.
I hope the judge makes an example out of him, and locks him away for a VERY long time....
Better yet, send him to the firing squad
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Reply #17 -
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Hagar wrote
on Nov 2
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, 2008 at 7:01am:
TSC. wrote
on Nov 2
nd
, 2008 at 7:45am:
I appreciate that in America you have 'the right to bear arms', but do you not have some sort of basic IQ test that has to be passed before being allowed guns?
TSC.
I think everyone here should know my feelings on firearms by now but this man is an ex-convict. The firearm was an AK-47 assault rifle, not your average handgun. I don't think people with a criminal record are legally allowed to own firearms even in America. The man is obviously a nutter.
depending on the state the AK may be illegal here in Colorado all automatic weapons are banned (with the exception of certified gun ranges who ever once in a while let someone rent one for the day)
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Dr.bob7 wrote
on Nov 2
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, 2008 at 12:44pm:
depending on the state the AK may be illegal here in Colorado all automatic weapons are banned (with the exception of certified gun ranges who every once in a while let someone rent one for the day)
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Reply #19 -
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, 2008 at 1:40pm
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Dr.bob7 wrote
on Nov 2
nd
, 2008 at 12:44pm:
Hagar wrote
on Nov 2
nd
, 2008 at 7:01am:
TSC. wrote
on Nov 2
nd
, 2008 at 7:45am:
I appreciate that in America you have 'the right to bear arms', but do you not have some sort of basic IQ test that has to be passed before being allowed guns?
TSC.
I think everyone here should know my feelings on firearms by now but this man is an ex-convict. The firearm was an AK-47 assault rifle, not your average handgun. I don't think people with a criminal record are legally allowed to own firearms even in America. The man is obviously a nutter.
depending on the state the AK may be illegal here in Colorado all automatic weapons are banned (with the exception of certified gun ranges who ever once in a while let someone rent one for the day)
The AK-47 doesn't have to be an automatic weapon. I know plenty of people who own AK's, and none of them are automatic
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Reply #20 -
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TSC. wrote
on Nov 2
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, 2008 at 7:45am:
I appreciate that in America you have 'the right to bear arms', but do you not have some sort of basic IQ test that has to be passed before being allowed guns?
I'm just using yours as a basis quote, TSC. When I was 14 I issued a "Special Weapons Permit" for our camping club when I heard that some members were shooting at each other with BB guns -- and popping the BBs back out of their foreheads; they'd shoot into the bushes without even knowing what, or what part of what, was in the line of fire.
People tend to think of the U.S. as one big country with all states under all-encompassing mutual laws. Not so -- each state has an amount of sovereignty within their borders. In fact, when the federal 55mph speed limit was issued by the federal government some states were slow to comply. Nebraska only did so after the federal government, to force compliance, refused to return any assistance (money for construction, road repairs, etc., from accrued taxes). Not all laws, therefore, are uniform.
Since the federal constitution has a clause on "the right to bear arms" and it is agreed that it does not refer to the appendages dangling from the shoulders, bare or elsewise, totally banning weaponry is not likely. "All men being created equal," there is also no definitive recourse for those who remain or become stupid; many of these will either bare or bear arms (sometimes both -- and it is difficult, when not impossible, to bear arms with no arms).
To my knowledge, it is illigal in most states for 'convicted' felons to carry firearms. Specifics, howbeit, can vary in each state. In New Hampshire it was legal carry a gun as long as it was not concealed (biological variants are not subject to that law,
Foz
, et al). Some of my schoolmates actually made their own guns in shop class (without the instructors knowledge); one of my classmates even made his own mortar. In that respect, guns can be obtained even if manufacturing them were illigal (shades of "Prohibition').
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Reply #21 -
Nov 10
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, 2008 at 5:39pm
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The story does not mention him being charged with the possesion of the firearm. As a convicted felon, he is not allowed to have it.
I also noticed that he had a 3year sentence that he only served 5 months on. Some program for "first timers".
He had at least three drug dealing charges, not sure how he qualified for that. Some lawyer finagled that I am sure.
They make it too easy on cons... lock em up and keep them for the full sentence, or something. 5 months???
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Reply #22 -
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Fozzer wrote
on Nov 2
nd
, 2008 at 1:03pm:
Dr.bob7 wrote
on Nov 2
nd
, 2008 at 12:44pm:
depending on the state the AK may be illegal here in Colorado all automatic weapons are banned (with the exception of certified gun ranges who every once in a while let someone rent one for the day)
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themselves
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/27/boy.shoots.himself.ap/index.html
The Ak-47 is fairly common where I live, 1/4 own it for bragging rights, 1/4 own it because their crazy and they want to kill people, 1/4 own it for hunting, and 1/4 own it for schnicks and giggles
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Reply #23 -
Nov 10
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He had at least three drug dealing charges, not sure how he qualified for that. Some lawyer finagled that I am sure.
This is why the 3 strikes law came about. It's too bad so few local governments adopt it.
But if those those charges were reduced to lesser ones through some plea deal, which sounds likely in the case here, the 3 strikes law wouldn't apply.
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Reply #24 -
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Vuikag wrote
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th
, 2008 at 8:14pm:
The Ak-47 is fairly common where I live, 1/4 own it for bragging rights, 1/4 own it because their crazy and they want to kill people, 1/4 own it for hunting, and 1/4 own it for schnicks and giggles
I wouldn't go that far and say that a quarter of everyone who owns an AK-47 are a bunch of crazy, homicidal maniacs. Maybe paranoid, but not a bunch of homicidal maniacs.
Don't forget that the AK-47 is one of the most popular firearms of all time, and has been a huge part of history over the past half century. It is low maintenance, rugged, reliable, and packs a decent punch
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Reply #25 -
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, 2008 at 8:27am
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The sensible European guy in me has a hard time when it comes to all these guns in private hands...
OK, considering America's past, I can understand how gun ownership grew historically... But, where I can understand someone owning a handgun or shotgun/huntingrifle for hunting or personal protection, I simply can't understand why someone would need to own a full automatic attack-rifle like an AK-47... sounds like serious overkill to me... especially in untrained hands...
Though I mustn't be a hypocrit... Belgium issued a new gunlaw recently and set up a period during whitch people could give up non-registered guns without any penalty... I was surprised by the amount of guns collected... Even my mother in law turned in a .22 rifle, once belonging to my father in law as a hunting-gun...
It's a strange world out there...
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Reply #26 -
Nov 11
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...I simply can't understand why someone would need to own a full automatic attack-rifle like an AK-47...
It isn't as simple as that. The legal ownership a full automatic weapons is heavily regulated per the National Firearms Act of 1934.
Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly-manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers.
There was a ban on "assault rifles from 1994 to 2004. It was allowed to expire. Assault rifles are defined as semi-automatic weapon.
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... Belgium issued a new gunlaw recently and set up a period during whitch people could give up non-registered guns without any penalty...
There is a similar program in the United States. In some cases a cash amount was offered to those giving up their firearms.
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Reply #27 -
Nov 11
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, 2008 at 6:30pm
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True automatic weapons are somewhat controlled. You have to get a permit from the ATF. Costs a big fee if I recall, but I would have to check.
The "assault weapons" ban was interesting. Many argued that the definition of an assualt weapon was a bit extreme. I will not go into particulars because some of the definitions are politically hot. If you are interested it, look it up.
As for the "tradition" of American gun ownership. It started after we kicked the Brits out. (Is 240-ish year old politics forbidden???). People were worried about what kind of power the new government would take.
The theory is that an armed populace has power over its government. The best example that I can think of to demostrate a possible proof would be old Adolf taking the firearms away from the populace in the early days of Nazi Germany. It seems far fetched, and crazy. I did say it was a theory.
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Reply #28 -
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Yep, True automatics weapons have been controlled for quite some time.
The nazis weren't the only ones to disarm it's population. The communists did the same thing after taking over Russia.
It's all about controll, not preventing crime...
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Reply #29 -
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As a contrast there's the mostly civilian Swiss Militia. It's estimated every Swiss home contains at least three weapons, including automatic military assualt rifles.
The difference between Switzerland and the United States is the Swiss have much stricter gun laws.
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