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Reply #15 - Oct 3rd, 2008 at 3:59pm

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Thanx Congo, will try your info on OC first before I upgrade more, although if I keep a few pounds I saved for this, will surely disappear from the Bank again with the Yank'ees's blunders.

Found two excelent guides for the Q6600, but where on a couple of points their bios differ from mine (AMI BIOS © 2007
Asus P5K Premium ACPI Bios REV 0504) I flop & go at a tangent of my own & by flook get it stable for few mnts, but not cool enough (3006ghz @ 80+c on "RealTemp" where at stock 2.4ghz Temps are 40-45c)

Also confusing is the different names they call the same thing,  
Dram Fsb, Bus spd same as FSB etc.

I have exchanged the Ram for 800 [2x2GB, 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 800 (400mhz) PC2-6400] so I'll be a bit better off now, but chaged the signature.

BTW tried the latest ClockGen & seems to work with my present gear.
What is "PLL" control & Selection, mine seems to coinside with
ICS 9PLRS509.
When select the clocks sliders & apply it will it change the Bios settings?

Another thing, the CPU fan (the only fan in my open box) is normal 2000rpm & with the Asus spd control 1040rpm.

Modify:-
just done the 3.2ghz OC, 8-400-800 static 1st scrnshot, run Orthos twice for cores 0,1 & 2.3 & by :2mns & Ts soared to 92c, 2nd scrnshot test abandoned  pronto.
Note fan spd from 1100 to 2600-rpm & the +12v =11.25v does it mean the PSU is stragling?

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« Last Edit: Oct 3rd, 2008 at 5:44pm by luke »  

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Reply #16 - Oct 3rd, 2008 at 7:59pm

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You are killing that CPU

75-78c max with a Q66 using coretemp or realtemp to verify and Speedfan must be calibrated to read that correctly... realtemp indicates you are 8c from a dead CPU

Speedfan will not read the CPU core diode without the offset placed into the calculations from its settings

I suspect the CPU cooler is not able to cool the processor properly. A Q6600 on the right CPU cooler can run 1.4-1.45vcore and 3.6GHz if the BIOS has speedstep or CE1 shut down so the full 9x multiplier is used

With the right HSF and properly mounted it should -full load test- out to 75-78c max even after an hour... some can do better depending on the tower fans and ambient


With a PSU reading 11.25, its toast or too small for the system and that will also drive temps up
 
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Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 6:24am

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Thanx Nnick,
nearly done it then !!@#$£%*. Real T. is always on, & Tmax was a 100.

How do I set up "offset in Spdfan calculations?
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Tj Max CoreTemp offset shows up in "CoreTemp".

In "RealTemp" only have "Set Tj Max", wich if I set it below 100 the core temp indications reduse a lot.

With all these various settings how do I know if the indicated Temp is correct?

The 92c I experienced was with Tj Max set to 100, & CPU Volts at Auto

My Bios has no Speedstep or CE1.

As soon as I find wich are the best HSF & PSU for this system I will complete the upgrade.
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Reply #18 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 12:48pm

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Dont 'set' anything in CoreTemp... let it read the CPU diode on its own

it should see that Q66 and read it correctly as 100c tJM and that means your MAX full load test temp after as long as an hour+ should remain 20-25c UNDER tjM or 75-80c MAX which the system will never see running FSX or other apps

Your PSU is not able to run this system, thats for sure and that will also drive temps up

I also suspect the HSF is not able to clock a quad as high as you are trying to go in combination

your version of Speedfan is OLD.. they may have corrected the offset in the newer version 4.35

install that and check it against CoreTemp... but you are reading CPU CORE 0 and NOT the default speedfan temp for the processor which is the CASE temp of the slug. You muct change that in the configuration to read CORE 0

Config - Temperatures - check INTEL CORE 0 to be displayed and verify that with Coretemp


On the older versions of speedfan the calibration is donw through the ADVANCED dropdown..

INTEL CORE at $0 on ISA

and set the temp offsets to make up for the case to diode temp variance using Coretemp to show you what the correct temp is


But as I said, the newer version of Speedfan may already have fixed the offset problem


here is what you should see and it should be close to what Coretemp reads for the Diode althouh it may not be exact... if you see a variance of more than 3c then you know speedfan is off and needs to be calibrated. The older versions of speedfan required a +13-15c adjustment


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I just noticed looking at my speedfan readout on 12v its not right... I know my PSU is fine so its possible Speedfan is not reading yours right either. Grab Everest and verify the PSU on the 3.3, 5 and 12v outputs


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as long as its above 11.75 you are OK but 11.70 is borderline.. 11.8 would be OK
 
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Reply #19 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 1:26pm

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12.8 volts Nick ?

Maybe you mean 11.8v , I guess that's it.

I was thinking, "boy, I never saw 12.8v before"

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Reply #20 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 1:44pm

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congo wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 at 1:26pm:
12.8 volts Nick ?

Maybe you mean 11.8v , I guess that's it.

I was thinking, "boy, I never saw 12.8v before"

Shocked



yea yea yea

its a typo..

LOL

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Reply #21 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 5:58pm

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Thanx again,
my Everest is freebee & don't show +12, any other that would show it?

Please note the 2.4ghz (& 6 instead of 8 set in Bios) in Cpu-Z & RealTemp whilst on boot-up post shows 3.21 like the Clogen & CoreTemp.

Hey, hay be "...too many cooks spoil...."?

BTW I tried fs9 with the 3.2ghz (A320/LHR bad WX) & RealTemp stayed 71c, although grfx were still kicking now & then & in turns.

Whatever left from savings salvaged will got to HSF/PSU.
nick

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EDIT:-
doubleclicking "My Computer" icon shows no cpu speed:-
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Reply #22 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 8:07pm

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luke wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 at 6:24am:
My Bios has no Speedstep or CE1...............................Please note the 2.4ghz (& 6 instead of 8 set in Bios) in Cpu-Z & RealTemp whilst on boot-up post shows 3.21 like the Clogen & CoreTemp


Perhaps you didn't see it.

You should reference your mainboard manual about this Luke.

Chapter 4, page 22.

Do some research on the several options listed on that bios guide page.

On that note, it may be advisable to just read the whole bios section again as a refresher.

Until you know your bios inside out, you don't have the ability to manage the board properly.

Make bios your friend.

Your Computer property page is odd Luke. Why not install SP3 ?

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Reply #23 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 9:14pm

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got it right here for the P5K P wF


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Shut it all down.. all of it DISABLED except PECI, leave that enabled

the Q6600 has a 9 multiplier and at 400MHz you should be at 3.6GHz but I am going to tell you something... your temps are very high for 1.4v and 3.2Ghz and I suspect the CPU cooler can not handle the clock


 
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Reply #24 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 9:25pm

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Nick is right about the temps, don't run any stressing apps under the overclock until you get a cooler, there isn't any point as the overclock will likely change after you get a new PSU and cooler anyway, you only risk damage stressing it now.
 

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Reply #25 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 9:37pm

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congo wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 at 9:25pm:
Nick is right about the temps, don't run any stressing apps under the overclock until you get a cooler, there isn't any point as the overclock will likely change after you get a new PSU and cooler anyway, you only risk damage stressing now.




absolutely

the Q6600 to 3.2GHz should not have any problem stayng stable at about 1.28-1.32v, perhaps less, perhaps a touch more so this is not only a CPU cooler issue, its not set up right in the BIOS for a clock at all


Under the ADVANCED JUMPERFREE menu where the VCORE setting is located look for LOAD LINE CALIBRATION or CPU VOLTAGE DAMPER (one of the two) and set it to ENABLED then work the VCORE. If you shut down the CPU advanced items I listed above the CPU will automatically default to a 9x multiplier which means you will have to run aprox 1.42-1.44v Vcore to stabilize that at 400MHz.. and your CPU cooler will not handle that from what I can see

thats why I use this CPU cooler

http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/product_page/cpu/u120ex/installation_cpu_...

not for the faint at heart to install



Set the CPU STRAP to 333 if your running 400FSB and above
 
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Reply #26 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 9:52pm

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NickN wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 at 9:37pm:


Is that because of the mounting system Nick?

I saw someone who wanted that cooler until they researched the mounting procedure, and they decided to get a different cooler because they didn't like the way it installed.

NickN wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 at 9:37pm:
Under the ADVANCED JUMPERFREE menu where the VCORE setting is located look for LOAD LINE CALIBRATION or CPU VOLTAGE DAMPER (one of the two) and set it to ENABLED then work the VCORE.


From my understanding, load line calibration stops vcore voltage spiking when enabled, (reducing risk of cpu damage), is that right?

I'm sorry if the above seem obvious, but I just want to clarify Nick, there's so much bad or incomplete/non-specific info out there.
 

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Reply #27 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 10:07pm

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No problem with the mounting system.. its just massive and not every tower cant hold it

You have to have a good steady hand to get the screws started and the unit level but once its all lined up it screws right down nice and solid

I lapped mine and the processor too


I have another tower with the Asus Rampange Extreme using the OCZ Vendetta 2

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/cooling_products/ocz_vendetta_2_cpu_cooler

basically the same cooler but with direct copper pipe contact and I replaced the fan with a Scythe 120 PWM which is very quiet

 
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Reply #28 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 10:10pm

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Cool!   Tongue

I was looking at those direct pipe contact coolers, and I wondered about differential thermal expansion between the metal types.
(probably not eough temperature extremes to worry about that though)

How do you find that type of cooler compared to the 120? They are pretty inexpensive here in Australia.
 

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Reply #29 - Oct 4th, 2008 at 11:41pm

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congo wrote on Oct 4th, 2008 at 10:10pm:
Cool!   Tongue

I was looking at those direct pipe contact coolers, and I wondered about differential thermal expansion between the metal types.
(probably not eough temperature extremes to worry about that though)

How do you find that type of cooler compared to the 120? They are pretty inexpensive here in Australia.


The OCZ version does a bit better job dues to the direct copper connection to the pipe

I noticed you asked about LLC above.. I must have missed it...

LLC stabilzes Vdroop which can actually shorten the life of a CPU in some circumstances.

Vdroop is a normal function of an Intel system. It actually protects the CPU from spikes. The problem with Vdroop is it forces a high clock to set a very high CPU vcore... in other words in order to get 1.44v you must set 1.52 in the BIOS... ouch

At that point Vdroop is not helping you so we enable LOAD LINE CAL to stabilize Vdroop and want we set in the BIOS is what we get all the time.


So in reality, and in theory.. if you are not overclocking or not clocking very high, enabling LLC can actually shorten the CPU life somewhat instead of save it... where with a high clock using LLC can actually lengthen a CPU life somewhat



all this stuff you read on the net about Vdroop being bad is from people who do not understand electronics.. its suppose to be on the motherboard for a reason

http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=126

however bleeding edge overclockers who wish to run the highest Vcore possible and maintain the highest stability with it, .. its best to use LLC so you are not forced by Vdroop to put a very high potential for voltage to the slug.


 
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