1: Massa
2: Hamilton
3: Trulli

Rosberg,
Piquet...

...oh no, this isn't 1982!!!


Hamilton
Massa
Heidfeld

Id be suprised if they do!!! One minute they are saying Kimi wil help Massa, then LDM is hoping Kimi gets back to winning at spa!

Im banking on it being wet....

Hamilton
Kimi
Massa

Although banking on it being wet means i should really choose a strange 2nd and 3rd...Barrichello? Alonso?. Might change after Practice!

I've just been on a "Youtube" crawl for Spa highlights through the years.. most of them involve a very brave Jacques Villeneuve and a certain Eau Rouge.. that bloke had balls   

Kimi
Felipe
Lewis

Matt

Alonso
Massa
Hamilton

just to be different

.mic

Ferrari for the win

todayshorse wrote on Sep 7^th, 2008 at 5:43am:

I hope so, in general spa races are quite boring these days.
Expecting to see Lewis pit a lap before Massa, if Massa can stick with him he should pass in the pits.
Or scenario B: Massa makes another good start and passes Lewis into turn 1 and its another boring procession. All assuming its dry.

I love the rain.......best last 2 laps this season......!

Raikkonen out!

Heidfeld in 3rd

.mic

EDIT.....seems that's full marks for C.....unexpectedly....

Woah! What a race! Blooming kimi!!! If youd just held on in second i would have got some major points today!

Cracking end to a  quite tense race i thought!

This is silly! I guess its for the chicane where Hamilton ended up using the escape road bit then letting kimi back past before getting him at la source?

Seemed Kimi was using quite a bit of run off at times as well. What do they expect in such conditions? Regardless of who won, why do they always try and ruin what we, the fans, really want to see? I was on the edge of my seat for at least the last 10 laps, and fell of it in the last 3!!

now kubica alonso and heidfeld being investigated, likely for the passes in the last corner with yellows for Kimis crash.
I think this could also be part of the Kimi lewis investigation. Nothing official has been said why they are investigating, and several times Kimi and Lewis passed each other round cars which had spun or gone off track which should bring out yellows.

lewis given 25 second penalty 3rd in race

P.S. Should Charlie be allowed to keep his 30? I think he did a good job to get it bang on. Ferrari fan or not even I think its a BS penalty.

What a load of B****cks!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is ridiculous.

Are McLaren appealing this? Massa in no way deserves this win. Utter tosh. I sort of expected a ferrari pleasing grid penalty for monza or somthing, even thugh i dont really see what Hamilton did wrong. He gave the place back! -  but this stinks!

Hamilton was deemed to have "cut the chicane and gained an advantage", thereby breaching Article 30.3(a) of the sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code...................how the f#%& does letting another driver pass you on purpose to gain back their lost position translate into gaining an advantage!!!!.................Looks like the Ferrari gate fine and inspections were not the end of the affair after all. The consistency of FIA rulings is just lately are a joke. I guess the sun must shine out of a collective Ferrari rear end.

Matt

Craig. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2008 at 12:18pm:



Thanks. My inspired edit to Heidfeld from Alonso at 1158 BST yesterday!

As for the penalty, as David Croft said, the Belgian stewards have been a complete joke. Just watched the replay, and no way did that need any penalty.

A) he was forced to take the line by Kimi

B) as protocol dictates, he surrendered the place back.

C) it's then made utterly irrelevant by Kimi sticking it in the wall.

If the stewards hadn't made so many other daft decisions, I'd almost think they were favouring someone. I think that's fairer than to suggest they may have been discriminating against someone in particular, for any potential reason.

While risking my neck I shall try to explain how the FIA have seen it.

Firstly there is history with this sort of incident. Alonso at Suzuka a few years back took a place at the chicane, gave the position back and immediatly passed the guy on the track, a few laps later he was forced to back off a fair amount to give the position back again because it was deemed he had not allowed the other driver to firmly set himself back in the position.
Now this situation (remember I think this is a BS call and yes Mclaren have appealed, not that they have much luck in the courts, but this could be a few weeks till we know)
In Kimi's case, he had every right to use all the track he needed, on slicks in rapidly worsing conditions that was bound to be more than normal. Lewis was not ahead as he claims, he was alongside therefore he was in a position where he should have backed off to make the corner, hardheadedness in both cases, but Kimi had the racing line and thus it was Lewis' position to yield.
Next, Lewis took a straight line shortcut down the straight with much better traction, Kimi had to go the long way round and was unable to get the power down at all and Lewis gave him the postion back at this point, so Lewis with better traction did not lose out at all and infact gained regardless of him being behind Kimi, he gained track position regardless and an advantage by going off the track. I think once proper onboards are released for it, it'll be shown.
That is most likely how the FIA will have seen it, along with the telemetry they have access to that we dont.
Again, in the long run it's BS and I hope in the end it doesn't go down as a title decider. Much like Lewis didn't want the title last year on an erronious fuel temp, I'm sure Massa doesn't want to win the title on what was a hard but in general fair racing incident?

That's a fair point Craig, and you're right in what you summise.. BUT if the positions were reversed (Kimi short cutting the chicane) I honestly couldn't envisage the same result.. call me a cynic, but I really now believe there's a witch-hunt/vendetta against McLaren/Lewis.

Nothing to do with skin colour of course...   

Craig ...... I don't think we need to get into the whole spy BS again. However even you have to admit that it looks like there's some sort of favouritism toward Ferrari and that given all the circumstances of the last couple of races it is becoming more and move evident.
I'm not saying that it's Ferrari's fault but I would go so far as to speculate about certain peoples motives and alleged "Nazi" leanings.

Sorry ... putting my 2 cents worth in again ... I think some people are getting on very dangerous ground here.  Maybe I'm the naive one but I don't t hink this has anything to do with the Ferrari team, skin colour or political leanings.

What is on record is Mosley's comment a while back that he feels that Ferrari are the most important team in F1 partly because of who they are and because of their enormous legacy to the sport and their fan base.

Now, maybe it's just me again but, those comments should have been enough to tip people off that if there are any decisions to be made then obviously Ferrari will be treated with kid gloves because of their perceived position.

Unfortunately it will always be the sport of F1 that will suffer in the long run since ordinary spectators who just want to see a great race are 'cheated' time and again by seemingly 'unjust' decisions and will eventually voice their dissatisfaction by going elsewhere.

Agreed! ...... something funny is definitely going on and I know what you mean about anger and frustration.  GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

Although I bet that Mosley will be wheeled out at the appeal hearing as the whipping boy!  

just like to say if you want good racing tune into the IRL race.
Thats providing some seriously exciting stuff. 3 wide for 5 laps.
And the one Brit I do support in Wheldon, is doing well.

The Ruptured Duck wrote on Sep 7^th, 2008 at 10:02pm:

I'd end up saying it just makes those making the claims look like sore losers when McRon and his puppet cant win to be honest.

The Ruptured Duck wrote on Sep 8^th, 2008 at 10:15am:


All is fair in love and war, there is not enough between them points wise to make one or the other back off yet.............now is another matter of course.

Matt

Craig. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2008 at 3:34pm:



Another problem is to define in this instant what an advantage is. It was wet, both cars where on slicks and in the wet, on slicks, the McLaren is by far the better car. There are a lot more points to this than meet the eye or Youtube. Also what is the definition of behind. If someone is in front, then are you not behind, but then how behind is behind. Also in the Massa pit lane incident, the reason given for no action was it would have made no difference to the race, what is the difference here, Kimi went off all by himself?

Matt

C wrote on Sep 8^th, 2008 at 4:07pm:


Sounds good, bouncing across the saw-toothed kerbs, bits of bodywork flying off....

eno wrote on Sep 8^th, 2008 at 4:18pm:


Used to work for Prost and Senna. No reason why it can't work for the more "immature" generation of drivers today.

Craig. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2008 at 3:34pm:



TSC. wrote on Sep 9^th, 2008 at 9:14am:


I don't know what crossing the start/finish line has to do with this. Lewis let Kimi by. To do that the Ferrari must have been traveling faster than the McLaren. So the McLaren by default would have to have sped up, hardly an advantage. From the in car video it is clear to see that at frame 1:06 the McLaren is behind the Ferrari. Again how do you define an advantage when in the rain on slicks, the Mc Laren is by far the better car over the Ferrari.

Matt

The Stewards almost scored me some good points from Spa, if only Lewis had been a bit quicker and finished second . Anyhow, awful decision if you ask me.
Guys, are we not having a guess at this weekends Italian GP? Just in case I'm blind and I've missed it:

Massa
Kimi
Lewis

Massa a cert for the tital now I reckon.