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Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:35am

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Hey guys

Im currently about to go into my last year of school, upper sixth. And i am hoping to become a pilot as and when in the future. Obviously the first step to commercial piloting is the PPL.

My question is on prices. I live near to coventry airport, and i believe to do a ppl at cov would be fairly expensive, especially as far as landing fees go... i think, seeing as it is used as a commercial airport by thomson and whizz occasionally aswell. I could also get to somewhere like wellesbourne.
At this kind of place how much should i expect to have to pay in order to get a PPL?

This comes as part of a bigger thought train.l I have a lot of family out in the states in chicago, and due to the current £-$ exchange rate it may be cheaper to go out there, live with the family (so living and eating costs are near nothing) and do my PPL out there before coming back and continuing with what ive decided to do...

What do you think?

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Reply #1 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:56am

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Mass wrote on Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:35am:
Hey guys

Im currently about to go into my last year of school, upper sixth. And i am hoping to become a pilot as and when in the future. Obviously the first step to commercial piloting is the PPL.
My question is on prices. I live near to coventry airport, and i believe to do a ppl at cov would be fairly expensive, especially as far as landing fees go... i think, seeing as it is used as a commercial airport by thomson and whizz occasionally aswell. I could also get to somewhere like wellesbourne.
At this kind of place how much should i expect to have to pay in order to get a PPL?

Hi Danny. I think you would be much better off at a smaller airfield but it still doesn't come cheap. You can check prices of the local flying schools online. I found two at Wellesbourne with a quick search on Google.
South Warwickshire Flying School. http://www.southwarwickshireflyingschool.com/chargesandfees.htm

Wellesbourne Aviation. http://www.wellaviate.co.uk/Flying_School/Training/ppl.htm

Bear in mind that the prices quoted are based on the minimum number of hours. It might take considerably longer depending on your aptitude & how often you can take lessons.

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This comes as part of a bigger thought train.l I have a lot of family out in the states in chicago, and due to the current £-$ exchange rate it may be cheaper to go out there, live with the family (so living and eating costs are near nothing) and do my PPL out there before coming back and continuing with what ive decided to do...

I think Cobra has recently done this. Your best bet would to ask him. Send him a PM.
 

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Reply #2 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:12am

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Don't expect to have much change, if any, from £5000 in the UK. The US is an option, and there a re specialist flying schools to cater for UK customers (as an FAA licence would be as useful as a chocolate teapot for you in the long term).

The other advantage of paying the premium to train in the UK is you learn in the airspace you'll end up using, as the UK is a bit different from wide expanse of the USA.

As Doug says though, ask Cobra. He's done it, and I suspect has the T-shirt! Wink Grin
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:21am

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I will talk to cobra then, ill find him and PM him.
One of the main reasons i thought about the US is because of the family out there, and i could stay with them for a while and do some of the usual tourist stuff around the states. I believe that you can get licences out there for around 6 or 7000 $$$ if you find the right places which, including flights of about £400 which are available seems pretty good.

As to the differences in airspaces... what are the main differences? at the moment all i know is the simple stuff from slight sim so excuse my lack of knowledge at this time!

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Reply #4 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:49am

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Don't expect to have much change, if any, from £5000 in the UK.

Lot more than that now Charlie. Check out the prices from my links.

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I will talk to cobra then, ill find him and PM him.
One of the main reasons i thought about the US is because of the family out there, and i could stay with them for a while and do some of the usual tourist stuff around the states. I believe that you can get licences out there for around 6 or 7000 $$$ if you find the right places which, including flights of about £400 which are available seems pretty good.

Cobra did his training in Florida. It's a 21-day residential course. Note the price is considerably cheaper than anywhere in the UK & includes accommodation. http://www.flyoba.com/ppl.php

Of course, this might not suit you, especially if you want to do some sightseeing. If you're staying with relatives I'm sure you can come to an arrangement with the local flight school.
 

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Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 12:38pm

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Hagar wrote on Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:49am:
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Don't expect to have much change, if any, from £5000 in the UK.

Lot more than that now Charlie. Check out the prices from my links.


So it is. I'll revise that to £6000 if you shop around!


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As to the differences in airspaces... what are the main differences? at the moment all i know is the simple stuff from slight sim so excuse my lack of knowledge at this time!


UK airspace is generally a lot busier, and far less open (lots of airports and military airfields etc on a quite a small island!).
 
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:30pm

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If you can get the training done here in the states, it would definitely be cheaper... but I don't know what it would cost you to turn that FAA-issued PPASEL into a British PP ticket.
 

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Reply #7 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:34pm

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beaky wrote on Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:30pm:
If you can get the training done here in the states, it would definitely be cheaper... but I don't know what it would cost you to turn that FAA-issued PPASEL into a British PP ticket.

A lot of US flight schools offer JAA training. That's how Cobra did it. http://www.flyoba.com/ppl.php
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:38pm

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I'm in the process my FAA PPL training and for an example I'll use my local airport's rates to tell you the cost(s):

C150K- $75 an hour (wet)
Instructor- $35 an hour (breathing, $15 an hour if their dead. Grin)
Ground School*- $399 Or you could self study
Required books and equipment- $300
Written test- $80
Medical exam- $80

Ok the minimum amount of training is 30hrs dual/10 hrs solo...
...So using the 40hr minimum you would pay
30hrs dual- $3300
10hrs solo- $750
Required books and equipment- $300
Written test- $80
Medical exam- $80
...And your grand total is...$4510 (2,418 GBP)...or $4909 (2,631 GBP) with ground school...tax not included Tongue.

...But the truth is most people train for 65 or 70 hrs...so rechecking the price with the more realist training time of 65hrs...
50hrs dual- $5500
15hrs solo- $1125
Required books and equipment- $300
Written test- $80
Medical exam- $80
...All this adds up to...$7085 (3,798 GBP) or $7484 (4,012 GBP) with ground school.

This is total is based on the current prices at my local airport, but as the price of fuel goes up and down the rates shift...or you could do what I did hang around the airport until someone gives you a plane for 10hrs and an instructor instructs for 10hrs for free Grin!

 
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Reply #9 - Aug 20th, 2008 at 7:41am

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If someone were to ask me right now; how much it would cost to learn how to fly (in the U.S.)... the instinctive answer is:  If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

Now.. sarcasm aside... Unless it's something you just want to add to your life-list and then move on... flying is a huge, open-ended commitment. If you plan on actually being a pilot; flying places and taking civilians along with you... you'll have invested close to $20,000 before you reach that point (PPL in hand and then 100 hours as a true PIC). I've said this before, but it warrants repeating: My brother wouldn't fly with me until I had 250 hours total time. Not because he didn't trust me... but because a friend of the family (airline captain) said so. There's also a school of thougt that you shouldn't be taking off on long, X-country flights with passengers on-board until you're holding an instrument ticket, and are experinced in its use (make that $30,000 before you're a pilot). I can agree with that school of thought to a point. I've been stuck on the ground, en-route with several people counting on me to make sound descisions while under pressure to "get there". It's a serious, sobering position to be in.

Whatever formula you agree with and abide by... you're also looking at a BARE minimum $300/month to stay current (more likely $500). So that, "how much does it cost to get the license" question really is moot and just the tip of the iceberg.

NOW... if all you want to do is get the license... and then maybe go up on the occasional, nice Saturday, because you can... it's not quite so expensive. But also opens the can of worms about aircraft access. Clubs have dues and insurance requirements that make you stay current... else have to start each weekend  "fun trip" with an hour of dual with a club instructor... and  does that really qualify you to be taking a passenger along ? In my opinion, no.

Back to the question. I'd tell a person to have $10,000 set aside when they start the training.. and to budget $500/month for the rest of your flying life.
 
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Reply #10 - Aug 20th, 2008 at 11:13am

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Thanks for all the replies guys! wasnt expecting anything like this response!

In response to brett, a lot of the reason i want my PPL is because its the first step towards a ATPL and then onto a commercial rating. I think all of that makes sense. My end goal is to be an airline pilot, so at the moment im looking into the different routes there are into it. Im looking at university courses at the moment that actually include PPL and ATPL courses with them, Yes im guessing these are going to be a fair lot more expensive than the average degree course but still cheaper than anything else your going to find...... i think...

But then again i may choose not to go to uni, i may choose to go for the RAF route, or maybe evenj to get a job for a few years till im 21ish before i take up commercial training.  But as a first step my PPL will be needed before i can go onto becoming a commercial pilot.

Im trying to figure out, as i said, the routes into commercial piloting, and whether to do my ppl before uni, after uni, during uni, if i go to uni etc etc.  But i havent actually taken into account so far the cost to keep up a PPL... which is very interesting...

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Reply #11 - Aug 20th, 2008 at 1:40pm

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Mass wrote on Aug 20th, 2008 at 11:13am:
Im trying to figure out, as i said, the routes into commercial piloting, and whether to do my ppl before uni, after uni, during uni, if i go to uni etc etc.  But i havent actually taken into account so far the cost to keep up a PPL... which is very interesting...



Brett made a good point. If you get a PPL now, but can't afford there after to keep it current, you could end up spending several grand to renew it at a later date - which could have a knock on effect on finance for CPL/ATPL.

If you intend to go to Uni, don't forget the UAS too. It is a great eye opener, free flying, good training, and you don't have to join the RAF afterwards. Smiley
 
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Reply #12 - Aug 20th, 2008 at 7:38pm

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going to sound a little clueless i think here, but il take my chances, only gona learn by asking.

CPL and ATPL are they more or less the same thing or completely different?  and yes i will definately need to look into a UAS and the cost of keeping it up... while at school and uni there isnt exactly going to be money flying around so i will need to look after what i can to pay my way through to a CPL/ATPL so i will draw up some more in depth details on everything before i make a decision...

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