Simviation Forum - Worst 5 aircraft ever built

Reply #30 - Jul 21^st, 2008 at 1:14pm

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Why do people keep saying planes like the F-22 and F-35 are the worst aircraft ever built?

Price - perfomance ratio for F-22
Jack-of-all trades, master of none for the F-35 (and that you are flying a slow speed airframe as there isnt a separate carrier version)

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Reply #31 - Jul 21^st, 2008 at 10:19pm

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I think its hard to compare aircraft when it comes to price. You have to take into account inflation, and the amount of development required for new aircraft. In WW2 it was enough to slap some metal together and bolt a big engine on it. Now you have tons of hydraulics, electronics, and computer stuff to cram into the airplane, all the while making it faster, stealthier, and more manuevarable than its predecessor. Not to mention, the manufacturers only get to build so many airplanes and have to turn a profit. When you are making thousands of a certain model, your costs go down. But when you are making just a couple hundred of a certain model, your costs must go up.

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Reply #32 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 3:29am

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I fail to understand why people hate the F-35. Pessimistic price has been proved wrong. STOVL system inferiority has been proved wrong. Anti-Stealth claims have been proved wrong. Payload concerns have been proved wrong. Range concerns have been proved wrong... etc...

It's simply the best multirole fighter there is, for Australia particularly. And in the big picture it truely becomes a jack of all trades, master of all, aircraft. Maybe not to APA & Karlo Kopp, & Eric Palmer, who continually recycle the same vomit all over and over again, but as always, they are WRONG.

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Jack-of-all trades, master of none for the F-35 (and that you are flying a slow speed airframe as there isnt a separate carrier version)

The F-35C is designed for carrier ops. Strengthened airframe, larger wings, larger control surfaces, removed gun, & internal fuel capacity is increased to 9 tons which is about the same as the Su-27, F-22 & F-14.

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Reply #33 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 4:35am

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I fail to understand why people hate the F-35. Pessimistic price has been proved wrong. STOVL system inferiority has been proved wrong. Anti-Stealth claims have been proved wrong. Payload concerns have been proved wrong. Range concerns have been proved wrong... etc...

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but surely you cannot say that until the aircraft is a) delivered to customers, and b) proven in a pseudo-operational/operational environment.

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Reply #34 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 12:37pm

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One bad thing about the F-35 is the two versions...

By that, I mean the American version, and the foreign export version...

The foreign export version will without doubt be downgraded and (fact) the foreign nations won't be able to update the planes themselves, but must ship them back to the factory for that.

But with that said, the F-35 has the best avionics suite in the world.

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Reply #35 - Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 11:57pm

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I fail to understand why people hate the F-35. .

My guess is because it's ugly. Personally I'm looking forward to it, can't wait to see the Marines tear up a combat zone with it. Yeah it's ugly, but these days our gear doesnt have to be good looking as long as it does it's job, that being providing close air support to us ground pounders Cool

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Reply #36 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 2:03am

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Anxyous wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 12:37pm:

One bad thing about the F-35 is the two versions...

By that, I mean the American version, and the foreign export version...

The foreign export version will without doubt be downgraded and (fact) the foreign nations won't be able to update the planes themselves, but must ship them back to the factory for that.

But with that said, the F-35 has the best avionics suite in the world.

I'm almost 100% sure the JSF partners are getting the same F-35 as the USAF - there was a news article somewhere, but I cannot find it. Sad

The whole degraded stealth F-35 thing I beleive was started by Karlo Kopp in yet another one of his rediculous court hearings. Roll Eyes

Needless to say he lost.

Three version of the F-35... A - CTOL B - STOVL C - Carrier Variant.

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I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but surely you cannot say that until the aircraft is a) delivered to customers, and b) proven in a pseudo-operational/operational environment.

Perhaps.

However, we have two aircraft flying, one of which is a production aircraft, and many more production aircraft on the assembly line. For it not to live up to standards is borderline impossible.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/28/ind2exot4.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5765/airf35leftwingoverrearvjw6.jpg

http://images.teamjsf.com/main.php?g2_itemId=10663

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Reply #37 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 10:58am

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The production F-35 definitely looks much better than the prototype.

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Reply #38 - Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 10:42pm

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BigTruck wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 11:57pm:

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I fail to understand why people hate the F-35. .

My guess is because it's ugly. Personally I'm looking forward to it, can't wait to see the Marines tear up a combat zone with it. Yeah it's ugly, but these days our gear doesnt have to be good looking as long as it does it's job, that being providing close air support to us ground pounders Cool

I wonder what people thought of the F-14, 15, 16, and 18 when they first came out. I'm sure the F-35 will grow on us.

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Reply #39 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 11:00am

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DaveSims wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2008 at 10:42pm:

BigTruck wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2008 at 11:57pm:

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I fail to understand why people hate the F-35. .

My guess is because it's ugly. Personally I'm looking forward to it, can't wait to see the Marines tear up a combat zone with it. Yeah it's ugly, but these days our gear doesnt have to be good looking as long as it does it's job, that being providing close air support to us ground pounders Cool

I wonder what people thought of the F-14, 15, 16, and 18 when they first came out. I'm sure the F-35 will grow on us.

I agree. It's already growing on me, and after seeing the pics that Vodka Burner posted I like it even more.

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Reply #40 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:00pm

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Myasishchev VM-T......... WOW!(and not in a good way)

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Reply #41 - Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:36pm

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DONTREADMYUSERNAME wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:00pm:

Myasishchev VM-T......... WOW!(and not in a good way)

so Russians lauch hot air ballons from 30000 feet?

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Reply #42 - Jul 27^th, 2008 at 3:43am

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DONTREADMYUSERNAME wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 10:00pm:

Myasishchev VM-T......... WOW!(and not in a good way)

Design a bad bomber, make it into a reasonable tanker and a mediocre cargo plane

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so Russians lauch hot air ballons from 30000 feet?

Rocket parts transporter and Buran carrier until the Antonv came

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Reply #43 - Jul 27^th, 2008 at 10:40am

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C wrote on Jul 14^th, 2008 at 7:00am:

DaveSims wrote on Jul 13^th, 2008 at 9:37pm:

2. Slingsby FireFly
The USAF Academy killed several cadets with these before pulling them from service.

1.Slingsby were very unfairly "scapegoated" by the USAF over those incidents - and it makes me deepely unhappy when I see so called "interlectual" US aviation magazines talk utter rubbish about the "deadly" Firelfly. Not to mention of course, the families were all steered by their leeching lawyers into sueing Slingsby.

Every other operator has had no major problems. The fact the USAF decided to operate them from an airfield at 6500ft AMSL, and the circumstances of on or two of the accidents has alway made me wonder if it was more the way they were operated - of the three fatal crashes, 2 were pilot error (relateting to poor spin recoveries I believe), and the third and unrecoverable stall (which, had it been carried out safely, should have been high enough to abandon the aircraft, otherwise would most likely have been poor aircraft handling). The engine failure issues could well be down to where the aircraft was operated from reading the issues involved.

Nothing wrong with the aeroplane at all.

2.C150/2 - God-awful soulless spam can built for people who are under 6ft and 10 stone! Taught gazillions to fly though, people just like me.

Slingsby, 1.Yea it's a great airplane.........as long as you don't fly it Roll Eyes

C150/2, 2.It's a trainer it's not ment to be cool or fast just a good basic stable airplane..... and it is...... I think you must be confused this is the 5 worst aircraft not the 5 best because thats where the Cessna 150/2 should be Cool

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Reply #44 - Jul 27^th, 2008 at 9:59pm

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This is easy.

The Wright Flyer is the worst aircraft of all time! Everything after that was just an improvement!

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