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Reply #15 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:36am

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Spot on!

It may or may not be related, but Simviation just posted the "F9F-8 Cougar" in the 2004 Military download section.  I've been wanting a sweptwing Cougar for a while, however, the download is missing a few things.  From the download page:

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This package is model and texture only and not included VC and this package is not included the flight dynamics file(aircraft.cfg and air file), panel,sound file. by Kazunori Ito.


To get the missing files, you have to e-mail Mr. Ito and ask for them. Gee.  I wonder why he did that?
 

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Reply #16 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 3:46pm

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What a crock
Nobodys looking for fame ,so don't be stupid.
Harming their rep ? I dont think so ,if any thing
even though unintentional probrably helping it.
Its a GAME dude ,wake up nobody really gets
hurt . No body forced you to download or to
try and make you beleive that this is the author's
repair or put this stuff on a disk as you say
Its just the same free downloads that you have
been using for years & now the updated files that
many people who have taken upon their selves
to repair so we could actually use them have been
shared with everyone , Which is pretty cool I should
think . Use the download or don't but this is what the
fs community is all about is sharing . If I wanted fame
I would put my name on the file not the club's somaybe
you should look harder before you accuse .
I just love the sim & will always continue to share
 

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Reply #17 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 3:59pm

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wreckerman wrote on Jul 11th, 2008 at 3:46pm:
What a crock
Nobodys looking for fame ,so don't be stupid.
Harming their rep ? I dont think so ,if any thing
even though unintentional probrably helping it.
Its a GAME dude ,wake up nobody really gets
hurt . No body forced you to download or to
try and make you beleive that this is the author's
repair or put this stuff on a disk as you say
Its just the same free downloads that you have
been using for years & now the updated files that
many people who have taken upon their selves
to repair so we could actually use them have been
shared with everyone , Which is pretty cool I should
think . Use the download or don't but this is what the
fs community is all about is sharing . If I wanted fame
I would put my name on the file not the club's somaybe
you should look harder before you accuse .
I just love the sim & will always continue to share


Sadly you're preaching to a non FS user (anymore anyway) of this community...


...whose seen some of the designers in question put up with this.

Share if you wish, but it'd be nice if you respected the wishes of people whose work you choose to "share" - or in future such work may no longer exist. Smiley
 
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Reply #18 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 8:55pm

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If someone thinks they need to fold up shop and quit
because someone decided to use and repair a file
and share it with others along the way that seems
to me that would be like a child throwing a fit not
unlike when another child would decide to shade in
a section of a color book with a crayon .
Throw a fit or be happy that someone enjoys their
work enough to want to keep using it by spending
the time to repair these files .
In the end if the aurthor updates or a redo of their
work all these fixed files by others will soon be forgoten
 

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Reply #19 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:17pm

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wreckerman wrote on Jul 11th, 2008 at 3:46pm:
What a crock
Nobodys looking for fame ,so don't be stupid.
Harming their rep ? I dont think so ,if any thing
even though unintentional probrably helping it.
Its a GAME dude ,wake up nobody really gets
hurt . No body forced you to download or to
try and make you beleive that this is the author's
repair or put this stuff on a disk as you say
Its just the same free downloads that you have
been using for years & now the updated files that
many people who have taken upon their selves
to repair so we could actually use them have been
shared with everyone , Which is pretty cool I should
think . Use the download or don't but this is what the
fs community is all about is sharing . If I wanted fame
I would put my name on the file not the club's somaybe
you should look harder before you accuse .
I just love the sim & will always continue to share



It may be "just a game", but it, and the add-ons, are also *product*.
 

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Reply #20 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 10:36pm

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wreckerman wrote on Jul 11th, 2008 at 8:55pm:
If someone thinks they need to fold up shop and quit
because someone decided to use and repair a file
and share it with others along the way that seems
to me that would be like a child throwing a fit not
unlike when another child would decide to shade in
a section of a color book with a crayon .
Throw a fit or be happy that someone enjoys their
work enough to want to keep using it by spending
the time to repair these files .
In the end if the aurthor updates or a redo of their
work all these fixed files by others will soon be forgoten


So, you guys have fixed the water drop effect on that C-54 "Buffalo"?  Or should I do so,  then up-load it as a corrected FSX update and only mention Nor-Cal in passing as the people who posted it to FSX without double checking and correcting the effects?  I don't think you'd care for that, would you?

Those files that do not work in FSX probably worked just fine in FS9, whgcih is the sim the add-on was designed for, so "repair" is not the right word.  "updated" would be better.  But you make it sound like the designer of an FS9 add-on was supposed to have anticipated FSX.  What if that FS9 add-on was created before FSX was even off the spreadsheet?  You make it sound like the FS9 designer is apathetic.  He is not under any obligation to update his creation for a new sim.   If someone else want's to update it for their personal used, that's a whole different matter.  

I have a lot of FS9 add-ons that I added to my FSX by dropping in a thumbnail, but I'm not going to upload them because that's not my place to do so.  Sure, I've posted some snippets of the .cfg of a few add-ons in the FSX forum that corrected smoke and after burner effects *To FS9 add-ons that the uploader didn't see fit to "fixs" themselves*, but I never tried to take credit for anything other than shifting numbers around or swapping an effect.  I've also made it a point to usually ask if anyone objected.  So far, nobody has.

I really do not see why you are bent out of shape over this, it's a matter of simple respect for other peoples work.  That's the bottom line.
 

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Reply #21 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:08pm

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Here's my stance on this, Danny needs to learn that you can't just post a file as fsx compatible just because you put a thumbnail on it. He also needs to learn to get permission to do this kind of stuff. I personally have downloaded a few of the aircraft he has reposted, and I am nowhere near impressed, he is putting aircraft on fsx that don't truly work in sp2, nether in dx9 or dx10 modes. It is my opinion that Danny ether needs to put up files that he has permission to and that actually work, or he needs to leave.... And anything he has no permission to re-upload or are screwed, need to be pulled.
 

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Reply #22 - Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:57pm

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th3flyboy wrote on Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:08pm:
Here's my stance on this, Danny needs to learn that you can't just post a file as fsx compatible just because you put a thumbnail on it. He also needs to learn to get permission to do this kind of stuff. I personally have downloaded a few of the aircraft he has reposted, and I am nowhere near impressed, he is putting aircraft on fsx that don't truly work in sp2, nether in dx9 or dx10 modes. It is my opinion that Danny ether needs to put up files that he has permission to and that actually work, or he needs to leave.... And anything he has no permission to re-upload or are screwed, need to be pulled.


Exactly!  Well said! Like I said in a previous post:  Anyone can slap a thumbnail in a texture file and call it "FSX compatable".  That doesn't make it so, and dosn't give anyone the right to upload it as "FSX compatable".

What you do with an FS9 on your own computer, however is your buisness. Smiley
 

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Reply #23 - Jul 12th, 2008 at 6:53am

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th3flyboy wrote on Jul 11th, 2008 at 11:08pm:
Here's my stance on this, Danny needs to learn that you can't just post a file as fsx compatible just because you put a thumbnail on it. He also needs to learn to get permission to do this kind of stuff. I personally have downloaded a few of the aircraft he has reposted, and I am nowhere near impressed, he is putting aircraft on fsx that don't truly work in sp2, nether in dx9 or dx10 modes. It is my opinion that Danny ether needs to put up files that he has permission to and that actually work, or he needs to leave.... And anything he has no permission to re-upload or are screwed, need to be pulled.


Quite - and who gets the "it doesn't work in FSX" emails?


 
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Reply #24 - Jul 12th, 2008 at 11:52am

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Their has been a fire retardant effect added to th c-54 and now
much more check it out for yourself AT www.freewebs.com/wreckerman/ and you may find that  all
work great with sp2 / acceleration . I have repaired over a hundred
but because of all the whining I am limiting the posts at simv unless
the admin would like to see more , then I would blast the site with
these files . But until then ?
 

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Reply #25 - Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:54pm

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wreckerman wrote on Jul 12th, 2008 at 11:52am:
Their has been a fire retardant effect added to th c-54 and now
much more check it out for yourself AT www.freewebs.com/wreckerman/ and you may find that  all
work great with sp2 / acceleration . I have repaired over a hundred
but because of all the whining I am limiting the posts at simv unless
the admin would like to see more , then I would blast the site with
these files . But until then ?


That's your choice.
 

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Reply #26 - Jul 13th, 2008 at 5:25pm

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he also does a shotty job at reloading these on his update of the Robin 135 the AP wont work and many are well just messed up in some little way
 
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Reply #27 - Jul 13th, 2008 at 8:01pm

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I know of at least one designer who has had hundreds of emails complaining about his models not working in FS.X properly and he has not uploaded them himself...Danny Garnier has

He has told him to stop but he still does it and the emails still come in

As is so often said......respect others work it is not anyone else place to 'repair' files that were never broken and place them in the wrong sim against the authors wishes

 
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Reply #28 - Jul 13th, 2008 at 10:42pm

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garryrussell wrote on Jul 13th, 2008 at 8:01pm:
I know of at least one designer who has had hundreds of emails complaining about his models not working in FS.X properly and he has not uploaded them himself...Danny Garnier has

He has told him to stop but he still does it and the emails still come in

As is so often said......respect others work it is not anyone else place to 'repair' files that were never broken and place them in the wrong sim against the authors wishes



Yup.  Besides, even if it's freeware, there's this thing called "intellectual property". 

I have a lot of the Mike Stone add-ons, and if you read his "readme" about the only thing he agrees to free distribution of are new textures.  He includes base textures for many of his creations.
 

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Reply #29 - Jul 14th, 2008 at 6:49am

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garryrussell wrote on Jul 13th, 2008 at 8:01pm:
I know of at least one designer who has had hundreds of emails complaining about his models not working in FS.X properly and he has not uploaded them himself...Danny Garnier has

He has told him to stop but he still does it and the emails still come in

As is so often said......respect others work it is not anyone else place to 'repair' files that were never broken and place them in the wrong sim against the authors wishes



Garry, well said.

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