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May 19th, 2008 at 3:24am
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Monte Carlo this weekend lads, tight and twisting.. it favoured the McLarens last year, can they repeat it this time?

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Reply #1 - May 19th, 2008 at 3:25am
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1: Kovalainen
2: Raikkonen
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Reply #2 - May 19th, 2008 at 6:38am

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Yes thats about as risky as it gets, but I think if anyone can do the monaco usual of putting an average car onto the podium, it'll fred in the Renault.
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Reply #3 - May 19th, 2008 at 10:21am

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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2008 at 11:10am

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Reply #5 - May 19th, 2008 at 11:42am

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No ferraris you may ask! I know Kimi was quick in testing 'monaco spec' but they have to have a bad day once this season and the way hamilton drove here last year, i hope this might be that bad day.....(not counting Oz, they just messed that up!)

I do wonder how many safety cars we might have though, and i read over on the aurtosport forums, showers just might be forecast...

Cant wait!
 

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Reply #6 - May 19th, 2008 at 6:21pm

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todayshorse wrote on May 19th, 2008 at 11:42am:
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No ferraris you may ask! I know Kimi was quick in testing 'monaco spec' but they have to have a bad day once this season and the way hamilton drove here last year, i hope this might be that bad day.....(not counting Oz, they just messed that up!)

I do wonder how many safety cars we might have though, and i read over on the aurtosport forums, showers just might be forecast...

Cant wait!

the biggest problem with how Hamilton drove last year was the fact that he pushed hard the whole race, hit the walls on numerous occasions and still couldn't match Alonso's pace even when Fred was backing off. This was also the race where tensions started between fred and lewis because despite being told to back off Lewis kept pushing and ignored his teams orders. This is where I lost my interest in him as a driver, the team aswell as everyone else could see he was trying to push too hard and as evidenced by his wall collisions came close to wrecking it several times. They needed to bring both cars home safely and he could have thrown it away for no reason.
This years Mclaren has a longer wheel base and the Ferrari has a shorter wheel base, they are about the same now thus evening the advantage out in that respect. The biggest plus Mclaren has is the heating in the tyres, so they should aim to lock out the front row no matter what. Even if it means they have to pit a few laps earlier. It'll take the ferrari's at least 3 to 4 laps more than the mclarens to get their tyres up to temp, that will give mclaren 4 laps to build up the advantage they need to overcome the lack of fuel. The first stop should be used again to keep track position and keep an eye on the ferrari's. Kimi especially does his work before the second stop to pass the guy he's chasing afterwards. Mclaren should see that and as such have the guy infront of Kimi slow him down enough to allow the guy out front the chance to run off for a fairly easy victory.
That's just a personal point of view as to how I'm sure the macca guys would like it to work out in an ideal world.
I'd expect them to go harder tyres twice then softs to finish with, the ferrari's will probably go soft option twice then finish on the hard tyres.
Personally if I were the strategy guy at ferrari, I'd split the runs, soft hard then soft to keep up with the pace to begin, get the longer middle phase out the way on the harder tyres so they can push hard at the end of the stint, and then use the softs again to finish so as to keep the presure on if they are still behind that way aim to push possibly Lewis into making a mistake.
 
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Reply #7 - May 20th, 2008 at 2:46am

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Reply #8 - May 20th, 2008 at 2:59am

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Interesting point of view Craig!

Whatever the wrongs and rights as to what happened at monaco last year, the way Hamilton took that car through the 'swimming pool' complex was simply breathtaking to watch. I like to see someone get hold of the car by the scruff of the neck and give it a damn good thrashing, rather than tootle around.

Yes he stuffed it in practice or qualifying (i cant remember which) but i dont think hes 'overdriving' like some suggest - its just the way he drives. I cant fault the bloke for 'giving it a go' and id fully expect fred to be quicker last year given the circumstances. That Hamilton ran him pretty close was not too bad an acheivement considering it was his first time there in an F1 car..

He drove similar at the last GP, the way he was going into turn one was quite somthing. Light on fuel or whatever, i dont care, it was great to watch

We were sat on the exit of becketts at the British gp last year, and despite Hamiltons 'go for pole' set up and strategy, it was massively satisfying to see him and him alone  come through that section with the back end dancing all over. You could visibly see it, and it was fantastic.  Certainly not every lap, i caught it maybe two or three times - and yes, he didnt win, and yes, he went the wrong way on set up, but it was still good to watch

I cant wait for practice to begin now they have no T/C - it should be spectacular!

I suppose its like prost v mansell - prost never looked spectacular, mansell always (usualy!) looked committed, spectacular and 'giving it some' and i know which i preferred - despite 'le proffessuers' greater sucess.
 

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Reply #9 - May 20th, 2008 at 1:23pm

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The ITV bunch have been telling us since the season began the Lewis would win Monaco, so if ITV say he'll win, who am I to argue? Wink Smiley

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He'll probably finish out of the points or in the wall now. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #10 - May 21st, 2008 at 3:26pm
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Reply #11 - May 22nd, 2008 at 5:34am

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just changed my alonso pick to Kovi. If this isn't allowed I'll change it back.
 
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Reply #12 - May 22nd, 2008 at 3:07pm

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Reply #13 - May 22nd, 2008 at 3:24pm
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Craig. wrote on May 22nd, 2008 at 5:34am:
just changed my alonso pick to Kovi. If this isn't allowed I'll change it back.


Change as much as you like until the competition closes  Smiley
 
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Reply #16 - May 24th, 2008 at 9:31am

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well that wasnt expected...! Wonder if the ferraris are running a little lighter than the macs, just to get the pole?

Still, if they are, and the macs can hang on in the first stint, id still expect a mac 1-2, but i guess anything can happen, especially at monaco. If they are similar or indeed heavier, then i fear my prediction is totaly wrong Grin
 

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Body's still on USA ET (hence most of my recent posts were very early in the UK's morning!) Wink

I would have predicted Hamilton, Heikki and Kubica anyway, if "them there incharge" were being generous! Grin
 
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todayshorse wrote on May 24th, 2008 at 9:31am:
well that wasnt expected...! Wonder if the ferraris are running a little lighter than the macs, just to get the pole?

Still, if they are, and the macs can hang on in the first stint, id still expect a mac 1-2, but i guess anything can happen, especially at monaco. If they are similar or indeed heavier, then i fear my prediction is totaly wrong Grin

I am thinking Kimi is the same or heavier than the maccas, The Q2 and practice times were simmilar so they cant be too differant. Massa though is the wildcard here. He was off the pace all weekend, if he is within 2 laps of fuel of the Mclarens or even Kimi, then its going to worry Ron and co.
The weather is the big X-factor in the whole situation. If it rains I could see both Kimi and Heikki doing very well, lewis would have to change his style because tail happy wont work round monaco in the rain. If it stays dry, I could see the usual Kimi Massa switch in the pitstops and then a fight between Lewis and Heikki for 3rd with Rosberg just behind waiting for a mistake.
 
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Hmm if it does indeed rain, Kimi yes, hed probably be there at the end near the front, Massa in the barriers, Hamilton i think could adapt no problem.

Any ideas on the forecast or what its doing right now?
 

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at the moment it is a wet race.. But if the clouds and that clear then it'll dry out pretty quickly I think.
 
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Reply #21 - May 25th, 2008 at 6:24am

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Ive been looking at some rubbish webcams from monaco, some appear to show it is indeed wet, others seem bathed in sunshine! One says its 'local time 22.30' or somthing. What a load of garbage!

And they take forever to load as well......

 

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Poor Sutil, Raikkonen destroyed his chances. Great race though!
 
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Reply #23 - May 25th, 2008 at 10:19am

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sometimes I guess its better to be lucky than good Roll Eyes Smiley
well done to Lewis good drive despite the mistake. Poor poor Sutil, Kimi I think found the exact same spot as DC did in quali where he dropped it. If nothing else as a way to say sorry ferrari should give him a test drive at silverstone. Cheesy
 
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Reply #24 - May 25th, 2008 at 10:32am

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Not a good race on the points front, 15 seems to be the top with most of us getting 5 or 10
 
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Reply #25 - May 25th, 2008 at 10:34am

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Indeed, a very eventful race!

Good job to Hamilton, a good solid drive, but also from Sutil...terrible luck for him though!
 

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Great race, seeing as nearly everyone bar Sutil and Kubica had some sort of 'off' - Alonso was frankly terrible - I hope Hamilton and Mclaren went and gave him a huge 'V' sign on the way back to the garage Grin

Luck or lucky doesnt get you a 40 second lead. Hamilton deserved that win on merit due to his stunning pace in the middle stint, and even after they switched to 'slicks' he was bloody quick.

I always thought Massa was the worse of the two in the wet, i guess not as he seemed quite comfortable at the start!

And as for poor Sutil, i dont really know what to say about that. Undecided

But still, great race. Well done Hamilton Smiley
 

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I really feel for Sutil. That was a real kick in the slats. Definitely not one of Kimi's best races, Got the feeling he was driving about with his brain in neutral...
As for Lewis, did he get a puncture and as a result of swiping the wall, or did he get the puncture because he swiped the wall?

All in all, an entertaining race today.

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What might have been had the race gone the lap distance..
 
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expat wrote on May 25th, 2008 at 12:46pm:
I really feel for Sutil. That was a real kick in the slats. Definitely not one of Kimi's best races, Got the feeling he was driving about with his brain in neutral...



I can't decide whether he lost interest when Lewis passed him at the start, or when he heard about the drive through...

...either waym his presence on the track was pretty pointless, and the fact that he then unfortunately collected Sutil added insult to a wasted seat...
 
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Craig. wrote on May 25th, 2008 at 1:04pm:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67742

What might have been had the race gone the lap distance..


There did seem to be rather quite a lot of punctures, but I think less than there could have been considering the amount of noses changed and carbon fiber that was spread all over the track as various drivers fell over each other (Fred bringing the show to a short stop in Rascas comes to mind). But as often happens in F1, a bit of luck plays a big part in the out come. Still, the first British driver to Monaco since Graham Hill 39 years ago, and a win is a win.

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Reply #31 - May 25th, 2008 at 2:58pm
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expat wrote on May 25th, 2008 at 2:53pm:
Still, the first British driver to Monaco since Graham Hill 39 years ago, and a win is a win.

Matt


David Coulthard may have something to say about that  Wink

Results will be a bit late this week, I've got to do them all again.. I'm on a new laptop and the old spreadsheet was on the old one..

Bear with me..  Tongue


 
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David Coulthard may have something to say about that  Wink


And Jackie Stewart... Wink
 
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Still, the first British driver to Monaco since Graham Hill 39 years ago, and a win is a win.

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David Coulthard may have something to say about that  Wink


And Jackie Stewart... Wink



Sorry, first English driver since Graham Hill.

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Craig. wrote on May 25th, 2008 at 10:32am:
Not a good race on the points front, 15 seems to be the top with most of us getting 5 or 10


*cough*20*cough* Wink

Missed this one due to an airshow, but heard the results over the PA system. Nice to hear of Hamilton's success putting him back on top for now Smiley

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I watched the race highlights last night (I was routing for Hamilton)

Was a very interesting race- can't have been easy for any of the racers in those conditions.

After the race highlights (at like 1-2am) I went up and told my sister that Hamilton had won. Now she is going to university in September and asked me who Hamilton was  Grin
 

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After the race highlights (at like 1-2am) I went up and told my sister that Hamilton had won. Now she is going to university in September and asked me who Hamilton was  Grin


My German wife was reading the paper and asked my yesterday if I had ever hear of a German pilot (with a straight a very serious face) called Manfred von Richthofen and then she told me he was better known as The Red Baron, maybe I had heard of that name instead. Grin Grin

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Got any results for us Rob.............or are you still in a bank holiday traffic  jam trying to get home Grin

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I obviously missed the first couple of rounds because i wasnt here at all, so can someone explain the scoring system? I think i got two of the top three in my prediction...and i realise that if you get all three (in the correct order im guessing) you get 30 points....
 

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todayshorse wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 5:42am:
I obviously missed the first couple of rounds because i wasnt here at all, so can someone explain the scoring system? I think i got two of the top three in my prediction...and i realise that if you get all three (in the correct order im guessing) you get 30 points....


5 for a driver in the top 3 but in the wrong position, 10 for the right position, so for this race;

Hamilton 10
Kubica    10          30
Massa     10


Hamilton  10
Massa      5           20
Kubica     5


Sutil              0
Coulthard      0              5
Hamilton        5

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I fee really sorry for Sutil having seen the highlights last night....Sad

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Reply #41 - May 27th, 2008 at 1:58pm
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expat wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:03am:
Got any results for us Rob.............or are you still in a bank holiday traffic  jam trying to get home Grin

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I need to download OpenOffice again Matt, it was on my old laptop which has come back from Fujitsu Siemens with a total reinstall of Windows, and an empty hard drive..Tongue

They didn't even ask me if I had anything im mportant on it... and they only changed the keyboard  Angry

I'll get on it tonight lads, bear with me;)
 
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I need to download OpenOffice again Matt, it was on my old laptop which has come back from Fujitsu Siemens with a total reinstall of Windows, and an empty hard drive..Tongue

They didn't even ask me if I had anything im mportant on it... and they only changed the keyboard  Angry

I'll get on it tonight lads, bear with me;)



A keyboard change that includes a wiped hard drive. Now that must be more that a little annoying Angry

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Mictheslik wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 5:58am:
I fee really sorry for Sutil having seen the highlights last night....Sad

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That'll teach him for being good enough to mix it in the front 5! Smiley
 
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Reply #44 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:30pm
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