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May 14th, 2008 at 9:47am

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Hi all, thought I'd share the fruits of my efforts! It uses GoFlight for AP and radios, BetaInnovations for the circuit boards, Ellie Systems and CockpitSolutions for the displays and Maplin, B&Q and CFS for just about everything else (oh, and not forgetting MachineMart - they made a fortune out of me for tooling up!!!)

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All the best

Ian
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Reply #1 - May 14th, 2008 at 11:21am

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Hi Ian..........

Good to see you over here.  Wink  Thanks for sharing.

I notice 3 FMC panels on that photo.  Are those real / active units?  If so, what are you using?

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Reply #2 - May 14th, 2008 at 5:06pm

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Hiya John - our paths seem to cross all the time don't they, lol!!!

Yeah, in fact I have 4 working displays:

1. Captains PFD (Ellie) and ND (Cockpitware)
2. F/Os PFD (Ellie) and ND (Cockpitware)
3. Upper EICAS (CockpitSolutions)
4. Lower EICAS (my own VB6/FSUIPC synoptics - 6 screens)

The MIPs are 19"" LCD Dell monitors and the two EICAS displays are 12" LCDs from IBM. The LEDs (gear lights and Fire handles) are driven by a Phidgets board but all the switches are read using BetaInnovations cards which are rock solid. There you've started me off now....!

MachineMart are a UK tool shop. I've spend a small fortune in there this year buying lathes, band saws, sanders, drills, gauges,  callipers.... the list seems endless!!

All the best - can't wait for Ray's ND to be released over at Ellie!!

Ian

ps Nuts I mis-read your post. FMCs!!! Nope they're dummies - at £700 a pop I'll give the hardware FMCs a mis until I desperately need one and at the moment I can get by using the FSX GPS if I need to.
 

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Reply #3 - May 14th, 2008 at 6:25pm

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Well done, I kinda wish my cockpit had that look. Why are you flying on the right? British I assume? Grin
 

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Reply #4 - May 15th, 2008 at 3:48am

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Hehe, no I'm right handed - I've tried flying on the Captain's side and I just can't get used to handling the yoke with my left hand and the throttles with my right. It's filled me with a new kind of dread to think about all those freshly promoted Airbus captains trying to use a tiddly little joytickwith the wrong hand (give it a try yourself!)  Grin
 

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Reply #5 - May 15th, 2008 at 4:10am

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BAW19 wrote on May 15th, 2008 at 3:48am:
Hehe, no I'm right handed - I've tried flying on the Captain's side and I just can't get used to handling the yoke with my left hand and the throttles with my right. It's filled me with a new kind of dread to think about all those freshly promoted Airbus captains trying to use a tiddly little joytickwith the wrong hand (give it a try yourself!)  Grin

Keep practising. Pilots have to be ambidextrous & there is no right or wrong hand. You would have to use the wrong hand to fly even a simple trainer like the Cessna 152 or Piper Cherokee.*

*PS. That's what makes them good trainers.
 

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Reply #6 - May 15th, 2008 at 4:56am

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Sweet looking cockpit! Wish i had the money to make that!
 
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Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2008 at 10:04am

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Still looking for co-pilots (can't believe there are so few in Essex!!)

New picture at the top of the thread for anyone interested.

Ian
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 12:29am

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That's what I hope to have someday soon! Awesome job!

Can you tell me about the computers? What is the makeup of your computer running the FS (and what FS are you running) and the makeup of the client computers?

What make projector?
 

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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 3:51am

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Hi Steve

I use two computers for the sim and a third in another room for flight planning etc (once you get past a certain point it gets a bit awkward to use the sim PCs for email etc).

All three machines were sourced from the same place (AutDirect) and are all AMD AM2 4200+ machines with 4gb RAM, 160gb hard drives and nvidia cards (fastest is a humble 7950GT but it dipslays FSX fine).

One machine runs FSX, the Cockpit Solutions server, FSInn and some home made EICAS software, another run the actual client gauges from Cockpits solutions, Ellie Systems EADI and ND gauges and both machines run some home made hardware interfaces to read switches and fire up the LEDs for things like the landing gear panel lights. The thirds currently runs FSCommander, Servinfo, Simplates. a home made cargo generator and a home made Weather map generator (that's crude and un-finished!).

They all talk across a home netwokd and use FSUIPC/Wide client to swap data.

Hope that gives you what you need! I'm being hugely enconomical in terms of electricity for my set up. Some builders prefer to use lots of old PCs that have been thrown out by schools and business. One cockpit I know of has something like 14 machines running his cockpit (they have a lot of really good software!!). Each machine performs one task on it's own so it doesn't need to be big or powerful but the trade-off is space,  heat and of course the electricity bills! I went for a small number of faster machines and so far it seems to be working fine.

The projector is an Optoma - it works just fine but boy does it get hot. I've  had to tape heating duct to the fan grill to pipe the hot air into another room. It's the equivalent of a small fan heater - something they neglect to mention on the advertising! When I bought it VGA was the status quo  - next time I'll get SVGA or better but the one thing I was careful to pick was a machine that was bright enough - you don't want to have to close the curtains to see something!

Ian

ps Come Essex people don't be shy! If you fly with VATSIM srely you'd rather fly as a crew??!!
 

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Reply #10 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 1:46am

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Thanks for the info.

OK, what do you use for the actual glare shield, panel, screens, etc.? If I wanted to make my sim look like this, can you put the pieces down on paper or is it too much?

I am a little overwhelmed by all the different places to get parts, gauges, panels, racks, etc. I don't really even know where to start.

I have the fast computer to run FSX. I have another "medium" fast computer to run the glass software. I just ordered the full set of software (captain/FO) from http://www.sim-avionics.com so I guess I am leaning towards the 777 (but really want more of a generic two engine commercial jet.)

What's the first step towards getting something that I "touch" to control something that I "see"? If that makes sense.....
 

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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 1:56am

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One more quick question: who has hardware FMC's? If you have dummies, how do you set the info in the FS? Do you still have a keyboard there?
 

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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 2:53am

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I don't use hardware FMCs - far far too expensive! Most people build their own with components from companies like Hispapanels to bring the cost down from something like £600 to maybe £200 (my cockpit has three places for FMCs so you can see how the price escalates!)

The problem with FMCs is using the data rather than capturing it - if you're going to simulate a real one you need a database full of airports, runways, navaids and most importantly routes. Then there's the aircraft performance data. They're really for the die-hard realists.

I currently use FSCommander to generate a flight plan, save it in FSX format and load it into the default GPS so it can fly any long legs for me. The tiny little keyboard I've temporarily stuck next to my knee helps with data entry but I'm still thinking of getting one of Hispapanel's FMC keyboards to interface directly to FSX. Just to hide it away really.

To be honest I'd rather fly the thing myself - I don't have time for long haul and the SIDs and STARs are to tempting - I like to fly them manually. All told, FMCs are probably the last thing I'd consider adding.

Hope that helps!

All the best

Ian

 

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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 3:07am

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OK, what do you use for the actual glare shield, panel, screens, etc.? If I wanted to make my sim look like this, can you put...

Ah - sorry! I'm afraid the challenge of building is figuring it all out and I really don't have any plans - it's all done on the back of beer mats so I have nothing I can pass on sorry Sad
If it helps there are webstiese all over the net that hint at measurements and dimensions - I just surfed and surfed until I found the rough sizes and then worked out the rest. The pedestal and main panels are MDF and the glareshield is hardboard over pine battons.

I am a little overwhelmed by all the different places to get parts, gauges, panels, racks, etc. I don't really even know where to start.

If your're a newebie all you can really do is Google what you need and surf forums like these for tips. I've put some links at the foot of this topic - don't know if they'll help.

What's the first step towards getting something that I "touch" to control something that I "see"? If that makes sense.....

I started buy taking an old joystick apart and putting longer wires and bigger switches on the oneose I found inside. When I boxed it up I had a little panel I used to turn the autopilot funtions on and off. Once I'd done that I bought a  circuit board from Beta Innovations, replaced the old joystick with the board and added analog pots to control throttles. Looking back I think these things just evolve - you start with a small thing like an old joystick and over a couple of years it evolves with everything you do building on knowledge you gained previously.

As for the cost, so far I think I spent about £6000. Sounds a lot but it's over a fewe years so the cost spreads out.

http://www.hispapanels.com/tienda/index.php
http://www.betainnovations.com/
http://cockpitsolutions.com/flyware/
http://www.ellieavionics.com/
http://forums.simflight.com/viewforum.php?f=155&sid=b1b4e664a99d2f74d37b455dcac3...
http://www.fsdeveloper.com/
http://www.goflightinc.com/order/index.php
http://members.chello.nl/~r.vanderwiele/HowToPanel2.html
http://mcdu.com/forum/
http://forum.naturalpoint.com/ubbthreads.php?Cat=0&C=2
http://www.navigraph.com/www/fmsdata.asp
http://forums.simflight.com/viewforum.php?f=54
http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/
http://wiki.varxec.net/

http://www.simpit.de/b767dim/pedestal/page_01.htm
http://wiki.varxec.net/b737_NG?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=B737_measurements...
http://wiki.varxec.net/Dimensions
http://www.markuspilot.com/MarkusPilot.htm
http://users.skynet.be/jcordon/cockpit/plans.htm

Hope these help - it's a start!

Ian

(Later - what I was saying about developing your stuff on your previouis attempts:- here's a collection of snaps from the last two of three years showing how my setup has evolved so far.Thost autopilot switches I made from a joystick are still there in picky #1)

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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 5:04pm

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That looks very nice.......how about a UK SimV meetup....I know where Wink Grin Tongue

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